Trades?

[Joe Jackson]

How about Wilcox and Petro to Chi for Ben Gordon?

Great idea. Considering that the Bulls only have Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Drew Gooden, Aaron Gray, (sometimes) Andres Nocioni and (will soon have) Omer Asik at the 4 and 5 they definitely need frontcourt help. Wait a minute....

You got some names there, but you need to know a little about them.

Thomas and Noah are very young and raw and just starting to develop.
Gray is a plug...... garbage time player who never will develop.
Nocioni is a SF, undersized at the 4 and on the trading block.
Asik is a tall skinny person who plays basketball in Turkey and may come to the U.S. and try it some day.

So that leaves Gooden who helped out the Bulls some at the end of last year, but has been bounced around the league like some journeyman and his contract expires this year.

So you damn right the Bulls could use some help up front and plenty of it and right now.
Any other questions?

[Leto]

Here's my proposal. I posted it on the Bulls site, too, but havn't gotten any feedback yet.

Edited due to averse reaction on Bulls forum...lol

Bulls out: Gordon S&T = (11); (5.5) max inc: 6.87
Bulls in: Wilcox and OKC '09 first (6.75)

OKC out: Petro (1.9) and Wilcox (6.75) Griffin (1.7) '09 first= 10.35 max inc: 12.93
OKC in: Gordon (11) and Crittenton (1.3) = 12.3

Memphis out: J. Crittenton (1.3)
Memphis in: Petro (1.9) and Griffin (1.7)

Why for Chicago: They move Gordon and clear the gaurd glut. More importantly, we pick up a young Center to back up Noah who has some scoring ability to boot. Of course, this is contingent on Gordon accepting 11 per which I think he would do. Yes, its less than 12, but he wouldn't get that anyway.

Why for OKC: They need to clear the glut they have at Center and consolidate. Adding Ben allows them to move Durant to SF and really gives them a legit scoring threat.

Why for Memphis: They are thinner than Chicago up front and they just lost Kwame too. This way they add a big guy up front for Critt who they won't be using.

[mnkinga23]

Here's my proposal. I posted it on the Bulls site, too, but havn't gotten any feedback yet.

Edited due to averse reaction on Bulls forum...lol

Bulls out: Gordon S&T = (11); (5.5) max inc: 6.87
Bulls in: Wilcox and OKC '09 first (6.75)

OKC out: Petro (1.9) and Wilcox (6.75) Griffin (1.7) '09 first= 10.35 max inc: 12.93
OKC in: Gordon (11) and Crittenton (1.3) = 12.3

Memphis out: J. Crittenton (1.3)
Memphis in: Petro (1.9) and Griffin (1.7)

Why for Chicago: They move Gordon and clear the gaurd glut. More importantly, we pick up a young Center to back up Noah who has some scoring ability to boot. Of course, this is contingent on Gordon accepting 11 per which I think he would do. Yes, its less than 12, but he wouldn't get that anyway.

Why for OKC: They need to clear the glut they have at Center and consolidate. Adding Ben allows them to move Durant to SF and really gives them a legit scoring threat.

Why for Memphis: They are thinner than Chicago up front and they just lost Kwame too. This way they add a big guy up front for Critt who they won't be using.

No way for OKC. We get to give up a potential high lottery pick to overpay Ben Gordon, a guy that Chicago doesn't seem to want anyway. He should be making Cuttino Mobley money (9 mil per) because they are the same player, great shooting SG that are defensive liabilities because of their short statures. We also get a guy in Javaris Crittenton that doesn't fit a need when we already have three point guards.

[McG]

You got some names there, but you need to know a little about them.

Thomas and Noah are very young and raw and just starting to develop.
Gray is a plug...... garbage time player who never will develop.
Nocioni is a SF, undersized at the 4 and on the trading block.
Asik is a tall skinny person who plays basketball in Turkey and may come to the U.S. and try it some day.

So that leaves Gooden who helped out the Bulls some at the end of last year, but has been bounced around the league like some journeyman and his contract expires this year.

So you damn right the Bulls could use some help up front and plenty of it and right now.
Any other questions?

Just a few JJ. Such as why in the world would a team take away minutes from two developing players drafted #4 (essentially #2 with the trade) and #9 who are generally seen as two cornerstones of their franchise?

Each of these players should command around 25 minutes next season (slightly more than last year) leaving a net of 46 minutes left at the 4 and 5. Assuming Gooden and Gray get the same amount of time as last season (31 and 10 minutes respectively) that leaves all of 5 minutes left for Wilcox and Petro to split. And this is considering that Nocioni stays further away from the frontcourt than you stay from females AND Asik (who they gave up 3 second rounders to get) doesn't come over to play this season.

Sorry to steal your thunder but I think I just answered the question myself...

[london sonic]

OKC passes on Gordon he wants far too much $$$$ for what hes worth .OKC wont overpay on gordon and give up lottery pick .OKC dont need a SG that bad and gordon aint that good. I'd prefer to skip all these S&T deals, trade ridnour now for best offer(expiring/draft pick).Also trade Wilcox now for best offer or if nothing can be done before season starts keep him and trade at deadline.Im sure a contender would love to add him as was kurt thomas and Presti aquired a 1st.OKC are not going win much this year and another high lottery pick looms.The plan should be simple shed salary and build for future .Then 2010 free agency will add whatevers still missing.

[Train7492]

The Pacers are in need of a PF, could we pry Wilcox loose. Rasho, Baston, Graham / Wilcox, Sene
This does not hurt you guys cap why's and gives you a starting center and a back-up PF and a young SG/SF. We don't really need Sene but he was a throw in to make it work. I think with having Rasho and Foster on our roster we are going to cut into Hibberts playing time. I would have said Foster but he is very well liked in Indy so I don't see them moving him unless it is a deal we just can't pass up. Rasho is the better player just don't have the hustle like Foster. Baston is not a terrible back up we just have Murphy there and we can't afford to pay him to sit on the bench.

[NikeAir]

Hello Raptor/Knick fan here I'm just going to ask if you guys are going to extend or re-sign Wilcox once he expires because if you are just going to let him go then I might have a deal you just might be interested in it involves Wilcox for Thomas. I don't think you want to win right now and this trade would help Thomas who gets a lack of minutes start here and the bulls get a young upgrade too.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Here's a deal that might work for both teams:

Wizards send to Oklahoma
C Etan Thomas
PF/C Oleksiy Pecherov
PG Antonio Daniels
Memphis pick, conditional 1st
2009 2nd round pick

Oklahoma sends to Washington
PF Chris Wilcox (expiring)
C Johan Petro(expiring)
PG Earl Watson

The Wizards could change that second to a 2009 1st round pick.

Etan Thomas is an experienced starting C who went to HS in Tulsa. AD is what the Sonics hope for Westbrook to become, an athletic playmaking PG. He has a ton of playoff experience. Etan and Antonio are solid role players as is Joe Smith. OKC would be solid with Daniels, Smith, and Thomas to mentor Durant, Westbrook and Green.

As a Wizard fan, I like Wilcox and Watson plus the cap relief. Wilcox figures to be playing for numbers in a contract year, as would be Petro. Wiz can use bigs who can score inside, and who might be more consistent than Blatche off the bench.

Thoughts?

[Radiohead311]

Here's a deal that might work for both teams:

Wizards send to Oklahoma
C Etan Thomas
PF/C Oleksiy Pecherov
PG Antonio Daniels
Memphis pick, conditional 1st
2009 2nd round pick

Oklahoma sends to Washington
PF Chris Wilcox (expiring)
C Johan Petro(expiring)
PG Earl Watson

The Wizards could change that second to a 2009 1st round pick.

Etan Thomas is an experienced starting C who went to HS in Tulsa. AD is what the Sonics hope for Westbrook to become, an athletic playmaking PG. He has a ton of playoff experience. Etan and Antonio are solid role players as is Joe Smith. OKC would be solid with Daniels, Smith, and Thomas to mentor Durant, Westbrook and Green.

As a Wizard fan, I like Wilcox and Watson plus the cap relief. Wilcox figures to be playing for numbers in a contract year, as would be Petro. Wiz can use bigs who can score inside, and who might be more consistent than Blatche off the bench.

Thoughts?

No way. We'd be better off to let Wilcox expire and get nothing in return than to do this trade. Etan was awesome in his Booker T days and he's a cool guy but his contract was outrageous even before his heart surgery. I like Daniels and Pecherov a lot but this trade would be a major downgrade on talent while adding 8 or 9 million in future salary all for a 1st rounder that so heavily protected we wouldn't get it until 2013. Not a chance.


This would seem more fair for both sides:


Wilcox, Watson, Damien Wilkins
for
Etan Thomas, A Daniels, Nick Young, Pecherov, Grizzlies 2013 pick (lol maybe even 2014)



If you guys want a major talent upgrade while saving a bit of cash it's going to cost Nick Young.