Tyrus Thomas and Andrea Bargnani?

london sonic · Post #1 » by **london sonic** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:51 pm

Tyrus thomas former number 4 pick-good promising defensive power forward. needs quality minutes to develop not sure he will get those this year with Chicago.he is valued high on the Chicago forum board but could he be aquired from the Bulls. OKC is not going to win straight away and adding a young defensive PF to durant,green and westbrook could only help in the long term.

Andrea Barganani former no1 pick -scoring pf/c now a backup at Toronto due to the arrival of Jermaine Oneal .Another player who needs quality minutes to develop he could get that at OKC.A fresh start with less pressure at OKC could only help.

Thomas and Bargnani dont have high trade value at the moment but are young,promising and were high draft picks so the Bulls and Raptors wont want to give them away.Both with a fresh change of scenery and quality mintes could have breakout years.

What are your feelings to aquiring one or both .Would it be possible and at what cost?

a young lineup of Westbrook,Durant,Green,Thomas and Bargnani would be interesting.

ThunderPoke · Post #2 » by **ThunderPoke** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:39 pm

I am ALL for that. Unfortunately, I don't see how we'd have the pieces to make it happen.

I would be willing to part with all 4 first round picks to make that happen, though.

Bye bye Ridnour, Watson, Sene, and Wilcox.

Cliff Levingston · Post #3 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 7:12 pm

Bargnani has received quality minutes in Toronto; 24.4 MPG for his career to be exact. The only reason he hasn't played more is because he's been pretty bad so far. Tyrus on the other have has never received quality minutes; only 15.7 MPG for his career. He's been jerked around more than any lottery pick ever should.

You might be able to get Bargnani for Wilcox and a 1st or something like that considering Toronto seem to be wanting to make a run right now, but the Bulls won't be giving away Tyrus any time soon

bmw42690 · Post #4 » by **bmw42690** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 7:55 pm

I dont see the Bulls trading Thomas either. While i like Thomas as a player, i think that with Green and Thomas, the 4 would be a little undersized, however both would be more athletic than other 4's. I dont see us getting him though.

JO_CB_FTW · Post #5 » by **JO_CB_FTW** » Sun Aug 3, 2008 12:04 am

Take Bargnani... FOR FREE!

Post #6 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:11 pm

I don't see the Rap's brass trading Bargnani for 50 cents on the dollar, it would be a very knee jerk move and could end up haunting the Raps for years to come.

While some Raptors fans are at wits end with the kid, I think the soonest you will see him moved if at all would be next offseason if he doesn't grow next year now that the need for him to be a "banger" is gone with the additions of JO and Jawai.

porkchop87 · Post #7 » by **porkchop87** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:54 pm

Cliff Levingston wrote:You might be able to get Bargnani for Wilcox and a 1st or something like that considering Toronto seem to be wanting to make a run right now, but the Bulls won't be giving away Tyrus any time soon

That would be a terrible trade for OKC. Bargnani is too inconsistent, and Wilcox is much more promising than Bargnani.

NikeAir · Post #8 » by **NikeAir** » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:56 am

^Bargnani has the ability to make opposing centers play him on the perimeter which they aren't taught to do and he plays some good kman to man defense, in fact he was the best man to man defender on the Raptors last season. When he was given a good amount of minutes he was putting points on the stats sheet. Many Rap fans wouldn't be too surprised if he started averaging 16 points a nilght. He has a lot of potential juiced up inside his body. The lack of consistent minutes for him fhave resulted in poor numbers but the jackass of a coach we have is also a big reason Bargnani isn't doing what he was expected to do.

McG · Post #9 » by **McG** » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:13 pm

porkchop87 wrote:Wilcox is much more promising than Bargnani.

This is laughable.

porkchop87 · Post #10 » by **porkchop87** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:42 pm

McG wrote:
porkchop87 wrote:Wilcox is much more promising than Bargnani.

This is laughable.

Do you even watch Raptors games? I've seen every Raptors game these past 2 seasons. Bargnani is a goofball and a joke.

He's so robotic. You pass him the ball he automatically shoots. His defense still needs major improving, don't know what everybody is talking about. He needs to attack the rack way more instead of playing for the 3 which Toronto has plenty of players who already shoot 3's and are MUCH better at shooting them.

He looks like he's lost on the court. Whenever I watched Raptors games everybody was either making fun of him or Nestorovic, both look like goofs on the court.

Wilcox is no goof.

McG · Post #11 » by **McG** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:58 pm

porkchop87 wrote:Do you even watch Raptors games? I've seen every Raptors game these past 2 seasons. Bargnani is a goofball and a joke.

He's so robotic. You pass him the ball he automatically shoots. His defense still needs major improving, don't know what everybody is talking about. He needs to attack the rack way more instead of playing for the 3 which Toronto has plenty of players who already shoot 3's and are MUCH better at shooting them.

He looks like he's lost on the court. Whenever I watched Raptors games everybody was either making fun of him or Nestorovic, both look like goofs on the court.

Wilcox is no goof.

Bargnani is also 4 years younger and his 'down year' was much better than what Wilcox showed at the same age. He has the potential to be a much better player than Wilcox, as his game is multidimensional and still expanding. Wilcox will be the same player for the rest of his career: average post game, poor rebounder/defender, very little effort on the court, but an AWESOME dunker (when he doesn't clank it off the back rim, that is).

Downtown · Post #12 » by **Downtown** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:22 pm

As someone who subscribes to Raptors TV(since I'm from Canada) I've also watched just about every Raptors game the past couple of years. I have to agree with McG that your statement that Wilcox is much more promising than Bargnani is laughable.

Wilcox is finishing up his second contract in the NBA and so far he's proved to be nothing more than a one way, one dimensional offensive dunker that is a very good rebounder when he wants to be, nothing more. When you say that Bargnani's defense needs major work it also applies to Wilcox. But Bargnani was drafted young and still has alot more time than Wilcox to prove that he's going to develop into more than he's shown so far. Unless a miracle happens Wilcox is what he is and his upside has just about peaked. There's a reason why Wilcox's name is the one that usually comes up in trades. He hasn't made a difference to the Sonics, or the Clippers, and with more rugged players like Collison and Green Wilcox isn't that valueable to the team.

So neither Wilcox or Bargnani plays defense. Wilcox scores pretty much only at short range and can't shoot a jumpshot with any distance. Bargnani scores the majority of his points with a very good outside shot. But I've watched him plenty of times take it to the rim and dunk over players since he is a legit 7 feet.

Do I think Bargnani is the player OKC needs? Definitely not. Seattle was one of the softest teams in the NBA last year and Bargnani would only make it worse since he is softer than Wilcox. But your statement about promise is quite innacurate.

porkchop87 · Post #13 » by **porkchop87** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:07 pm

McG wrote:Bargnani is also 4 years younger and his 'down year' was much better than what Wilcox showed at the same age. He has the potential to be a much better player than Wilcox, as his game is multidimensional and still expanding. Wilcox will be the same player for the rest of his career: average post game, poor rebounder/defender, very little effort on the court, but an AWESOME dunker (when he doesn't clank it off the back rim, that is).

All good points but now you just made me realize that Toronto needs Wilcox more than OKC needs Bargnani... so either way, even if you're right it's still a terrible trade.

Toronto needs a dunker and somebody to attack the rack (besides a defensive center). OKC doesn't need a big man shooting 3's... or a cluts.

Downtown · Post #14 » by **Downtown** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:02 pm

Yeah, neither Jermaine O'Neal or Chris Bosh can dunk.

porkchop87 · Post #15 » by **porkchop87** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:33 pm

Downtown wrote:Yeah, neither Jermaine O'Neal or Chris Bosh can dunk.

Well before O'Neal, who still hasn't done anything for the Raptors yet, they only had Bosh who's soft sometimes... there were games where I was screaming at the top of my lungs for him to dunk... but instead he'd take jumpshots or fade-aways... which is fine because usually he gets them but doesn't change the fact that he should dunk much more... and try to draw much more fouls... there was a time where that was his game but by the end of last season he was getting soft... they also have Graham who dunks but... yeah :roll:

Downtown · Post #16 » by **Downtown** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:15 pm

And I suppose Jamario Moon, their starting small forward was invited to be in last years allstar slamdunk contest because of his outside shot.

porkchop87 · Post #17 » by **porkchop87** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:13 pm

Downtown wrote:And I suppose Jamario Moon, their starting small forward was invited to be in last years allstar slamdunk contest because of his outside shot.

yeah.

Post #18 » by **Nolan** » Thu Sep 4, 2008 4:05 am

As a Toronto fan i'd take either Jeff Green straight up or Nick Collison, Wilikins and a protected pick for Bargs.

durka · Post #19 » by **durka** » Thu Sep 4, 2008 3:13 pm

Downtown wrote:And I suppose Jamario Moon, their starting small forward was invited to be in last years allstar slamdunk contest because of his outside shot.

You'd have to see to really know. Moon takes a rediculous amount of jumpers for the finishing abilitys that he has, and his handles aren't see great. On the fast break though, he's awesome.