OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls

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OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#2 » by wizkid27 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:00 pm

There goes our chance at that...

Oh well, it's not like our hopes were hinging on it, it was just a convenient option. Plenty more guards out there that could fit in with our team.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#3 » by theokie » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:40 pm

I think this is better. Salmons is 29, and by the time this team starts getting good, he will be on the decline of his career
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#4 » by SD2042 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:31 pm

I really wonder how Salmons will be on the Bulls since he's no longer with the Kings. Will he be effective or he was simply putting up numbers on a bad team. As for Brad Miller, practically a welcome home for him. At least the Bulls get back a decent legit center in him.
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Post#5 » by wizkid27 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:20 am

Bulls added another guy that likes to play serious minutes and have the ball in his hands into that crowded backcourt. They've now got Rose, Gordon, Heinrich, and Salmons there. That doesn't count Thabo or Hughes either...

I didn't think they'd have enough ball to go around for their 3 top guards before, but I guess we'll see.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#6 » by SD2042 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:44 am

Hinrich is rumor to be traded to the T'Wolves in less than 24hrs. I wonder if there's any truth to that.
Also, Hughes I thought was shut down by VDN due to lack of PT with the team. I wonder if he's on the verge of getting traded as well.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#7 » by wizkid27 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:10 am

So many rumors! Hard to even tell who is coming and who is going...

I believe that they have pretty much shutdown Hughes for the season, but due to his contract, I don't think there are any takers.
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Post#8 » by Big_Mac79 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:04 am

Why not ship Watson for Gordon?
If the Bulls make the trade with Kirk they will need a back-up point.
The Bulls get something for a guy that will surely walk.
The Thunder get a look at Gordon before signing him to a long term deal.
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Post#9 » by SD2042 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:29 am

It's kinda pointless to go after Gordon. He's looking for a long term deal and I doubt he would stick with the Thunder in the long run.
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Post#10 » by wizkid27 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:49 am

Also, if we really wanted Gordon, then we'd just wait a couple of months and spend the money on him via Free Agency... No reason to give up assets for nothing.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#11 » by Big_Mac79 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:56 am

The Thunder have already been rumored to be the team most likely to sign Ben. So make sure he is the right fit before signing that long term deal. The worst that will happen is Ben expires at the end of the year. So the point is to try him out before risking a long term deal on a guy that doesn't mesh with the current group. The only problem would be for him to give up his bird rights to be traded but I think he gladly do after the trade today.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#12 » by wizkid27 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:02 am

Fair enough. If the cost was only Watson, then I'd be fine with it. Like you said, worst case, Gordon expires this season as opposed to Watson who expires next season... On any given night, I'd be about ready to give away Watson for anything, so I guess a trial period with a potential free agent signee is decent enough.

However, why would the Bulls want to take on Watson's additional year of salary? Now that they have Salmons, they're pretty set at guard and probably wouldn't want someone eating up almost 7 mil of cap next season.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#13 » by SD2042 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:16 am

Big_Mac79 wrote:The Thunder have already been rumored to be the team most likely to sign Ben. So make sure he is the right fit before signing that long term deal. The worst that will happen is Ben expires at the end of the year. So the point is to try him out before risking a long term deal on a guy that doesn't mesh with the current group. The only problem would be for him to give up his bird rights to be traded but I think he gladly do after the trade today.



Here's another issue that's worth looking into. Certain players in a contract year tend to get off playing tricks on either the team they rep or perhaps the NBA in general. Like Jerome James attempted with the Sonics. The Sonics part ways with him, but the Isiah Thomas lead NYK signed him to a long term deal. Malik Rose back in San Antonio days was playing very well for them. Then after he signs that long term deal in 2004. His production goes into decline to this day. And don't let me get started on Michael Stewart and Adonal Foyle.

With Gordon, I know he is a good scorer who can provide a team with instant offense. Considering the econony effecting everything, can teams in general afford to throw plenty of dollar signs around to FAs' who are looking for long term deals and hope they will get the best out of their investments?
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#14 » by wizkid27 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:21 am

Good point SD. One big thing that most of the "contract" players have in common is that they're big men that "just need things to click". The clicking that needs to happen is ambition and drive that they normally don't have. They step it up in that contract year because they have 100x's more motivation, then go back to being themselves.

Gordon is who he is... a scorer. He's not really anything else. I think he's consistently shown that he can score at a steady pace over multiple seasons. The questions is simply, where does he fit in a team? Most seem to see him as the ideal bench sparkplug. But he is more talented than your usual green-light-off-the-bench scorer, so he doesn't fit into that role as nicely as an Eddie House or formerly Bobby Jackson type player.
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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#15 » by SD2042 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:48 am

wizkid27 wrote:Good point SD. One big thing that most of the "contract" players have in common is that they're big men that "just need things to click". The clicking that needs to happen is ambition and drive that they normally don't have. They step it up in that contract year because they have 100x's more motivation, then go back to being themselves.

One question, if they show the motivation during the contract year. Why not show the motivation b4 the year of the contract expiring? Are these players that lazy and only care about the money?

Gordon is who he is... a scorer. He's not really anything else. I think he's consistently shown that he can score at a steady pace over multiple seasons. The questions is simply, where does he fit in a team? Most seem to see him as the ideal bench sparkplug. But he is more talented than your usual green-light-off-the-bench scorer, so he doesn't fit into that role as nicely as an Eddie House or formerly Bobby Jackson type player.

I haven't seen Gordon play a half court style. If he can truly play in any system and can be that versitile, then Gordon is really a hybrid. I can see why most ppl see him as a 6th Man. Instant offense, especially if the team really needs that punch to keep the team in the game.


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Re: OFFICIAL: Salmons to the Bulls 

Post#16 » by Big_Mac79 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:30 am

I just think that by him being in here you get a chance to see the little things like locker room attitude, work ethic, and leadership. Why take a risk on a guy before seeing him in that capacity? Ask New York if they would have liked to see that with Jerome. There's a reason why Seattle did not resign him.

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