35-37minutes a night how many points does Serge get you?

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Just curious on what other people think about Serge playing starter minutes and how many pts a game he could get you?

Personally I think if Serge gets around 35-37 minutes a night I think he would float right around 14pts.

Am I underestimating him? Overestimating him?

[slick_watts]

~12-14. I don't think Serge will play those kind of minutes even if he starts. Probably more like the 30mpg that Joakim Noah gets.

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~12-14. I don't think Serge will play those kind of minutes even if he starts. Probably more like the 30mpg that Joakim Noah gets.

OK sure but lets pretend for a moment that he does start and he does gets 35-37minutes a night how many points would he bring in?

[KidDelicious]

15 i think

[slick_watts]

12-14 was my answer for this amount of minutes. Probably around 13.

Serge averaged about 10FGA/36 minutes. I think that'd stay pretty consistent if he were a starter. His TS% was 56.2%, that would probably stay around the same too. Even as a big minute starter I don't think Serge is a high usage player offensively.

13 points per game sounds reasonable.

[KidDelicious]

lets expand this. what would Serges stats be if he were to get 35 minutes a game.?

i would put it at 15 points 9rebs 2.3blks

[BIG EDDIE]

Depends on several things, but Iimagine him like a Dale Davis type of player, who is a solid startin PF who gives you 10pts, 10rebd and 2blks a game in about 30 minutes.
Therefore I agree with slick 100%.

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Depends on several things, but Iimagine him like a Dale Davis type of player, who is a solid startin PF who gives you 10pts, 10rebd and 2blks a game in about 30 minutes.
Therefore I agree with slick 100%.

I think he will get closer to 30 minutes than 37 minutes too, but that's not my question.

My question is, "IF" Serge were to get 35-37 minutes a night how many points would he average?

Try to base your numbers on 35-37 minutes.

[BIG EDDIE]

Depends on several things, but Iimagine him like a Dale Davis type of player, who is a solid startin PF who gives you 10pts, 10rebd and 2blks a game in about 30 minutes.
Therefore I agree with slick 100%.

I think he will get closer to 30 minutes than 37 minutes too, but that's not my question.

My question is, "IF" Serge were to get 35-37 minutes a night how many points would he average?

Try to base your numbers on 35-37 minutes.

Yeah I know what your question was. I thought you could figure out IF I say 10 pts in 30 mintutes, than that means about 2 more points in 35-37 minutes.

So to answer your question: 12 pts. If he improves his post moves and we can pound the ball more inside to him, then maybe even 14-15.

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Depends on several things, but Iimagine him like a Dale Davis type of player, who is a solid startin PF who gives you 10pts, 10rebd and 2blks a game in about 30 minutes.
Therefore I agree with slick 100%.

I think he will get closer to 30 minutes than 37 minutes too, but that's not my question.

My question is, "IF" Serge were to get 35-37 minutes a night how many points would he average?

Try to base your numbers on 35-37 minutes.

Yeah I know what your question was. I thought you could figure out IF I say 10 pts in 30 mintutes, than that means about 2 more points in 35-37 minutes.

So to answer your question: 12 pts. If he improves his post moves and we can pound the ball more inside to him, then maybe even 14-15.

I don't like to assume others opinion.

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Here is the reason why I asked the question.

Last year Jeff Green played 37.1 minutes a night and dropped 15.1 pts a game.

Most of us feel that if Serge were given those minutes he would float around 14 pts. Not much of a drop off.

Considering how much of a defensive liability Green is in the post is there any real logical reason why Green should start over Ibaka this coming season at the PF spot.

I think most of us feel Green is still getting better but he seems to be taking small steps, instead of large strides.

So if Ibaka gives the Thunder one less point a game but 4 times the post defense why wouldn't Ibaka start?

[slick_watts]

There's more to an offense than the points you score.

Jeff Green has faults but he's an intelligent player who has decent awareness on both sides of the court. Yeah, Serge might score 12 or so points if he started and might provide more of a defensive presence. But he's a horrible passer, and when he's not actively scoring the ball (which he wouldn't do much) he isn't making any contribution to the team offensively.

Green's got a better handle, he can pass a little bit, he's a far more versatile offensive player. Our offense was six points worse per 100 possessions when Ibaka was on the court. Ibaka's a huge dropoff from Jeff Green offensively, even if their individual point totals were close.

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There's more to an offense than the points you score.

Jeff Green has faults but he's an intelligent player who has decent awareness on both sides of the court. Yeah, Serge might score 12 or so points if he started and might provide more of a defensive presence. But he's a horrible passer, and when he's not actively scoring the ball (which he wouldn't do much) he isn't making any contribution to the team offensively.

Green's got a better handle, he can pass a little bit, he's a far more versatile offensive player. Our offense was six points worse per 100 possessions when Ibaka was on the court. Ibaka's a huge dropoff from Jeff Green offensively, even if their individual point totals were close.

I disagree someone has to set the pick to free up Westbrook. Someone has to do the dirty work.

So Ibaka is 6 point less per 100 possessions right? Is that with the same people surrounding both he and Green? Or is that just simply when he was on the court mostly with the second unit?

Lastly I don't really need my PF to have a cross over dribble.

I'd rather have my PF post you up use a drop step and go over the top of you.

I still see zero reason why Green starts this season.

EDIT: What is the difference in points given up with Green on the floor compared to Ibaka on the floor Slick?

[slick_watts]

Ibaka stinks at setting screens... he had ten assists in 1300 minutes. He's the only player to ever play that many minutes and have ten or fewer assists. He's not a good offensive player.

I have no problem with Ibaka starting, but you'd also have to start James Harden with him. You lose a lot of offense with Jeff Green going to the bench and Ibaka coming in. Our problems as a team center mostly around how poor we are offensively and getting good shots. Green doesn't do much to solve this problem, but Ibaka at PF would make it worse.

Ibaka would foul too much to play this many minutes anyway, so the discussion is academic.

Krstic / Ibaka / Durant / Thabo / Westbrook might be the worst lineup offensively in the league.

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Ibaka stinks at setting screens... he had ten assists in 1300 minutes. He's the only player to ever play that many minutes and have ten or fewer assists. He's not a good offensive player.

I have no problem with Ibaka starting, but you'd also have to start James Harden with him. You lose a lot of offense with Jeff Green going to the bench and Ibaka coming in. Our problems as a team center mostly around how poor we are offensively and getting good shots. Green doesn't do much to solve this problem, but Ibaka at PF would make it worse.

Ibaka would foul too much to play this many minutes anyway, so the discussion is academic.

Krstic / Ibaka / Durant / Thabo / Westbrook might be the worst lineup offensively in the league.

Of course this discussion is academic. Pardon me I thought that is what these forum were for? I guess next time I'll just create a thread about David Lee so you can get excited over it.

I wouldn't run out the line up of Krstic, Ibaka, Durant, Thabo and Westbrook either.
I was the fisrt one in this forum that wanted to see both Harden and Ibaka move to the starting line up.

I see two possibly three new starters this coming season which is a ton for a team that won 50 games.

Westbrook
Harden
Durant
Ibaka
Aldrich(?)

I have one other question for you Slick. Do you ever put down the pen and paper and just watch the game? I know you can figure out a ton from stats but stats don't tell the whole picture.

Stats don't tell when you see David West licking his chops to post up Jeff Green and pass the ball when Ibaka is in.

I appreciate your insite on stats, but damn man, it can become a bit nausiating.

[slick_watts]

Stats don't tell when you see David West licking his chops to post up Jeff Green and pass the ball when Ibaka is in.

I appreciate your insite on stats, but damn man, it can become a bit nausiating.

Here's an interesting stat for you from Synergy:

Serge Ibaka was posted up 103 times this year and gave up 1.05 points per possession.
Jeff Green was posted up 193 times this year and gave up 0.95 points per possession.

Even if you take into account that Serge probably faced some centers and Green faced some SF's, that's a big difference. Green is a cruddy defender at PF Serge isn't a godsend either.

Serge is far better than Green at defending players in isolation situations though. Serge was iso'd 70 times and was ranked 32nd in the whole league giving up only .69 points per possession.

By the way, I've watched most of Jeff Green / Serge Ibaka's plays this year on synergy...

I agree that Harden and Ibaka should be in the starting lineup. That should have happened after the all star break. Harden was shooting the ball well. But I think the opposite from you, I think Serge should start because Harden should start. You need Green off the bench to offset Harden moving to the starting lineup.

[Jimmy76]

its only a matter of time before serge is a better defender all those stats tend to improve drastically from rookie season

[slick_watts]

its only a matter of time before serge is a better defender all those stats tend to improve drastically from rookie season

He's great helping on the weak side. Most of his problems stem from the fact that he's kind of bball dumb still. That will improve over time, to what degree is anyone's guess.

[Harden_on]

Yeah,I only see iblocka getting better at everything with the experience.