Anticipating any moves this season?

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Post#21 » by Devilanche » Sat Jan 1, 2011 1:32 am

2011, 9 Man rotation:
Westbrook:Definitely resigning

Maynor: Here for another 2 season,depending on how harden ballhandling improve and our salary cap situation, he might be replaced by a two guard/point guard down the line.

Harden: Getting better by the day

Selofosha: If he can just contribute on the offense.

Durant Like the way he's progressing, the only thing that he can make significant improvement is finding better shot/open man when he's double teamed (or he can just shoot over his defender). His backup minutes filled by thabo/harden long term.

Ibaka: I think he's worth keeping. Who'll be more expensive though, him or harden? He got the size advantage and size always translate into $$.

Collison: He been with the team for so long, and we got him for 4 more season.

PF: This season filled by green, next season depends on the money. Ideally i would like a center since Ibaka/Collison can split the minutes here like Harden/Selofosha.

PF/C: If we get a starting caliber C instead of green, it might be cost effective to keep kristic, since we're expecting Ibaka to improve.



We got a salary commitment of 38m (10 players) for next season, roughly 20m under the cap and 30m under the luxury tax ( I don't expect much to change under the new CBA), We're probably looking at a frontloaded deal for that C (I won't be surprised if we do it something like collison)

To round out a 15 man roster.
10m for PF/C (frontloaded).
3-4m for backup C (Up to maximum of 14m for this 2 spots, so if we save on the PF/C we can pay more here).
1m (Royal Ivey 3rd guy replacement/resigning)
1-2m ( Our NBA first round draft)
3-4m (3 point shooter)

Marc Gasol: seems to be out as Memphis has the cap space and they'll probably dump thabeet/Mayo before letting Gasol walk.
Nene: will only terminate when Carmelo walks (The whole team is primed for blowup contract wise) *cross fingers*
Chandler: seems like an ass when we played Dallas but not a bad option
Perkins: Boston is a contender,definitely in luxury next season no matter what. probably their big 3 last shot as well. A frontloaded deal might work here. *cross fingers*
Dalembert: Short term option, hope he's cheap.
Nazr Mohammed/Dampier/Foster: Only if real cheap in the kristic backup C role.

So being greedy, i'm looking at Nene/Dalembert (1 of the 3 30+yo) OR Perkins/Kristic combo.
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Post#22 » by HeartSouloma » Sat Jan 1, 2011 3:12 am

Devilanche wrote:Marc Gasol: seems to be out as Memphis has the cap space and they'll probably dump thabeet/Mayo before letting Gasol walk.
Nene: will only terminate when Carmelo walks (The whole team is primed for blowup contract wise) *cross fingers*
Chandler: seems like an ass when we played Dallas but not a bad option
Perkins: Boston is a contender,definitely in luxury next season no matter what. probably their big 3 last shot as well. A frontloaded deal might work here. *cross fingers*
Dalembert: Short term option, hope he's cheap.
Nazr Mohammed/Dampier/Foster: Only if real cheap in the kristic backup C role.

So being greedy, i'm looking at Nene/Dalembert (1 of the 3 30+yo) OR Perkins/Kristic combo.


Perkins is going to resign with Boston, he even said it himself. And you forgot about DeAndre Jordan and Yao Ming and even Greg Oden. You can pick up one of them for cheap, even DeAndre or Greg next season.
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Post#23 » by Devilanche » Sat Jan 1, 2011 4:44 am

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Perkins is going to resign with Boston, he even said it himself. And you forgot about DeAndre Jordan and Yao Ming and even Greg Oden. You can pick up one of them for cheap, even DeAndre or Greg next season.

http://www.sportsofboston.com/2010/09/30/kendrick-perkins-hoping-for-new-contract-with-the-celtics/ This?
I'm thinking it's more of this.
http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2010/10/is-the-league-pricing-perk-out-of-boston.html

Going by comfirmed contract for next season, boston already going to face around 6.7m increase in wage bill ( *2=13.4m since they're over the tax line) and that's before extending Perkins (4.4m) and glen davis (3.3m) both of whom will probably get a raise. I think it all depends how they fare in the playoff. If they win the ring/get real close, i think perkins will give a nice discount but the owners has to compare it against tax dollar as well.

Let say Perkins can get at least 8m contract. that's a 4.6m increase on his current contract making an overall increase in wage of 20m (13.4m + 4.6m*2) and that's before replacing glen davis. There'll come a price that boston will feel it's too steep to extend either one. Best case scenario would be Perkins agreeing only a 1-2 year contract with them at reduced price if he's assured they'll take care of him in future.

Deandre is too inexperienced for me to be honest. Yao Ming has state before that he might retire if he can't play this season. Even if oden wants a fresh start kind of hard for him to come and play with durant. There'll be teams willing to overpay for both though since they're the high risk/high reward combo.
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Post#24 » by slick_watts » Sat Jan 1, 2011 4:49 am

I wouldn't be upset with Perkins but he's not ideal, IMO. I think he's overrated as a defender, and he's a black hole on offense.

If we're speaking strictly about free agency, then Marc Gasol and Nene (should he take his ETO) would be the number one and two candidates. Both of those guys are more offensively minded. Tyson Chandler wouldn't be a bad acquisition, but I'm afraid he's going to get paid by Mark Cuban. Samuel Dalembert would be an upgrade, but I don't think he's the right fit.

I think it's more likely something gets done in a trade. Anderson Varejao would be the guy I'd like to get.
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Post#25 » by Mad Psyentist » Sat Jan 1, 2011 8:07 am

I think the guy OKC should make an attempt to trade for is Bogut. The guy is the leading shotblocker in the league, averages a double-double, and anchors MIL defense. Considering MIL is on the verge of not making the playoffs, even in the East, they would at least be open to the idea if the offer is right. They have very little room to improve otherwise and are stuck right now as a mid-tier team.

They have a real need to upgrade at SF so Green would be tempting to them. Maybe offer a package of Green and Aldrich along with either Ibaka OR Harden/Maynor/1st Pick. Maybe we could even offer to take on a contract like Salmons.

Considering how weak the center position is in the West, Bogut could dominate. A core of Westbrook, Durant, and Bogut might go a lot farther and be better to build around. I think its worth the risk even if we have to give up a lot of talent to do so.
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Post#26 » by bbms » Sat Jan 1, 2011 1:54 pm

Green + Aldrich + Mo Pete + 1st Pick + 2012 1st Pick from Clippers = Bogut ??? Bogut would be great, but I think OKC should look for better post scoring than Bogut. Well, I'm saying that even if Bogut is better tha Baby Gasol and Nene, these two might fit more team's needs.

But this trade would be good for cap. Mullens has been awful, but he has potential, and Krstic might be a good backup for 10 minutes playing for low salary. It'd also keep Salary Cap safe to resign Harden, Ibaka and WESTBROOK for it's well deserved salary.
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Post#27 » by sonictecture » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:09 am

Anyone else concerned without how unremarkable Aldrich has been?

Even in Tulsa he's been a fairly unremarkable role player who has been getting out played by undrafted center prospects.

Didn't we have reason to expect more? I suppose patience needs to be maintained, but since this was Presti's big offseason move to solve the center position, it gives one pause.
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Post#28 » by dream_catcher_9 » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:46 am

sonictecture wrote:Anyone else concerned without how unremarkable Aldrich has been?

Even in Tulsa he's been a fairly unremarkable role player who has been getting out played by undrafted center prospects.

Didn't we have reason to expect more? I suppose patience needs to be maintained, but since this was Presti's big offseason move to solve the center position, it gives one pause.


Well he has struggled a bit Ill give you that. I have watched a few Tulsa games and he seems pretty lackadaisical and lazy. Which is quite odd since one of his strengths coming into the draft was his hustle and activity level.

I really think he is having trouble adjusting to the speed of the game which shouldn't be a surprise since he relies on his timing and smarts over athleticism like Ibaka who can get away with mistakes, Aldrich can't. I also think he lacks some confidence right now. He seemed like he didn't want to be in Tulsa when I have watched him play.

Once he adjusts to the speed of the game and gets his confidence back he will be fine and be a big part of what we do.
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Post#29 » by sonictecture » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:13 am

Maybe, but that is why Aldrich is being given minutes in Tulsa, to gain confidence and acclimate.

For whatever reason Aldrich has been given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to work ethic, maturity and mental approach, but I'm starting to wonder. His junior year at Kansas was underwhelming.
In a year where he should have established himself he disappeared. Now he's been drafted in the first round and has largely been absent thus far in his rookie campaign.

How much patience do you have with a player who was suppose to be relatively ready to compete for minutes?
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Post#30 » by dream_catcher_9 » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:20 am

Even though I am a fan of his I do have the same concerns you have about him. His work ethic, maturity, and motivation. There are some OKC fans who have said he goofs off in warmups before games. He also seems to have a laid back demeanor..... only time will tell I guess.
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Post#31 » by slick_watts » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:27 am

The fact that Aldrich has not been able to break into the rotation on this team, especially with the early injuries, says a lot. He was supposed to be one of those guys who was ready to play, and looking at his skill set and athletic upside (or lack thereof) it's worrisome that he hasn't been.

Plugging Aldrich into any of the future plans seems way premature to me, he's been a disappointment so far.

Here are some quotes from the offseason.

dream_catcher_9 wrote:I hope he starts and becomes our paint protector who intimidates and rebounds.

I think 8 points, 8 boards, 2 block in 25 minutes is what he will average.


slick_watts wrote:I think 6 / 7 / 1 in ~20 MPG with decent defense is a realistic expectation for Cole's rookie season. On the low end, I'd imagine something like what Robin Lopez accomplished his rookie year. On the high end, he impresses and wins the starting spot with 8 / 10 / 2 or something like that.


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Post#32 » by Devilanche » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:51 am

Even if Milwaukee blow it up, they will want to move big contractS away if they are even considering Bogut. Im not sure how a front office will sell tickets if they move Bogut but if they don't move him they'll probably be good enough for 6-10 in east. They just need time to gel.

I do prefer a defensive center over an offensive one though so I'll definitely overpay to get him but probably no where close to what Milwaukee wants ( taking 2 bad contracts or at least 2 picks)
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Post#33 » by Devilanche » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:52 am

Regarding Aldrich has he played since his return to the D league?
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Post#34 » by dream_catcher_9 » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:07 am

Devilanche wrote:Regarding Aldrich has he played since his return to the D league?


he had a 14 rebound game the other day.
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Post#35 » by Devilanche » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:31 am

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/cole_aldrich/index.html?nav=page

Doesn't seem ready to be backup C yet from the stats. No game yet since 2nd assignment though.
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