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Re: Honestly, I think this team would be better... 

Post#21 » by slick_watts » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:01 pm

MrWHYNOT wrote:did it ever occur to you Slick Watts.. that maybe Scott Brooks wants Russell Westbrook roaming around defensively and helping the thunder big men defend and rebound in the paint because OKC is a vastly under sized team?? or do you just have a vendetta against Westbrook.. I dont go by stats cause i under stand these simple facts.. You think the other night when Derrick Fisher scored 20 points its cause Westbrook thought it was a good idea to leave him open?? You cant be that naive.. obviously Russell had to roam and help on Pau and Bynum... stats shmats..


I'm not talking about Russell Westbrook's hedge defense, which is a big problem with the entire team (and, you're correct, might be a scheme issue). He allows penetration to opposing guards very easily, and has a tendency to allow penetration to the middle. That's a defensive no-no that every YMCA basketball player knows to avoid. Russell Westbrook has the agility and quickness to keep the likes of Derek Fisher and Chauncey Billups in front of him, but he's often lazy on defense, over zealous, or some combination of those. He also is often lazy in transition where he will give up open three pointers.

On the topic of rebounding, again, I'm not talking about defensive rebounding which also might be a scheme issue. Westbrook often tries to rebound his misses (or his teammate's misses), leaving his assignment to do so. Or he will gamble for a steal in the backcourt. Or he will try a difficult layup, fall down, and the opposing team will have 5 on 4 in transition. It's little things like this that add up and contribute to the team's poor performance defensively. Brooks might want Westbrook and his guards crashing the defensive boards, but I don't believe it's in the gameplan for Russ to aggressively crash the offensive boards at every opportunity.

I love Westbrook, he's made terrific strides as an offensive player. But I think a lot of the time fans might interpret his activity level as good play, when it's often detrimental.
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Re: Honestly, I think this team would be better... 

Post#22 » by sisibilio » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:20 pm

taj2133 wrote:Knick fan here you guys need a power foward badly somebody like andray blatche or a jason thompson from both players would be great on your team. Those are two best young power fowards on the market you guys should go after.

OKC has a very promising PF, his name is Serge Ibaka, what they need is a starting caliber center.
Marc Gasol comes to mind. :)
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Re: Honestly, I think this team would be better... 

Post#23 » by cajun joe » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:55 am

The team would be so much better with Jeff Green playing in the second unit. He'd have a lesser player guarding him and he could really put some pressure on the d by doing what he excels at - driving to the basket and finishing. He's no use on offense just hanging around the three point line. and he's no use on defense trying to guard a power forward. It makes too much sense.
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Re: Honestly, I think this team would be better... 

Post#24 » by slick_watts » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:05 am

cajun joe wrote:The team would be so much better with Jeff Green playing in the second unit. He'd have a lesser player guarding him and he could really put some pressure on the d by doing what he excels at - driving to the basket and finishing. He's no use on offense just hanging around the three point line. and he's no use on defense trying to guard a power forward. It makes too much sense.


Food for thought on this point, from 82games.com (per 48 minutes):

2010-2011
At SF: 17.0 PPG on 39.3% eFG%, 5.3 REB
At PF: 19.8 PPG on 47.8% eFG%, 7.1 REB

2009-2010
At SF: 16.2 PPG on 41.2% eFG%, 6.6 REB
At PF: 20.4 PPG on 52.2% eFG%, 7.8 REB

Green actually performs worse himself when he's at small forward. The only difference for him is that he's not getting destroyed on defense by opposing power forwards.
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Re: Honestly, I think this team would be better... 

Post#25 » by cajun joe » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:18 am

slick_watts wrote:
cajun joe wrote:The team would be so much better with Jeff Green playing in the second unit. He'd have a lesser player guarding him and he could really put some pressure on the d by doing what he excels at - driving to the basket and finishing. He's no use on offense just hanging around the three point line. and he's no use on defense trying to guard a power forward. It makes too much sense.


Food for thought on this point, from 82games.com (per 48 minutes):

2010-2011
At SF: 17.0 PPG on 39.3% eFG%, 5.3 REB
At PF: 19.8 PPG on 47.8% eFG%, 7.1 REB

2009-2010
At SF: 16.2 PPG on 41.2% eFG%, 6.6 REB
At PF: 20.4 PPG on 52.2% eFG%, 7.8 REB

Green actually performs worse himself when he's at small forward. The only difference for him is that he's not getting destroyed on defense by opposing power forwards.


huh. certainly a much smaller sample size at sf. less easy buckets. doesn't really matter if he's at the three or four though. the key is him playing against lesser competition. he'd at least be able to handle the other team's backup pf better than their starting one. and if he can't, put him at the three.

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