What if Orlando called up Presti?

[HeartSouloma]

With 6 year extension? No doubt I'd give up what you're offering.

Without extension? I barely would want to give up Westbrook. Honestly wouldn't even do the trade without an extension first.

I think that's the assumption most of us have.
We rather stand pat than overpay. In that case what should be our max like this thread is suggesting
We won't be trading for an unextended Dwight.

And to add on to that, we won't have to take on Hedo/Gils terrible contract.

[wiff]

Oh yeah no chance in hell would I offer up Westbrook without Dwight signing an extension the moment he rolls into town.

Here's the thing though Slick with the difference between Howard and Durant. Howard has gone public saying he is going to be an unrestricted free agent. He has said that his coached used his teammates wrong. He is creating a "situation". Durant is locked up long term.

Orlando runs the very real risk of losing Howard for nothing. That's not really the place to be during a negotiation.

My thought is, Westbrook is the best individual talent they will receive from any offer. Orlando has a fairly extensive history with Perkins. I'm sure they know full well what they would be receiving.

If Orlando is looking to simply dump crappy contracts then sure OKC isn't going to bite. But if they want the best package in terms of talent I think my original trade idea is better than what any team can realistic offer and still contend for a title.

But no way am I going to trade Westbrook and Ibaka or Harden.

Howard is a stud but I'm not going to gut the team for him.

Westbrook was the 2nd best PG in the league last season the kid is 22 has played every single game as a pro. His ceiling is crazy high. He along with Perkins, Thabo and a pick is a very fair package for Howard considering where Orlando is negotiating from.

If another team can make a better offer so be it, but that's the line I'd draw in the sand.

[slick_watts]

Like I mentioned before, IMO Perkins would be a negative for Orlando right now considering how he played this year and his contract. They'll want to rebuild and Perkins isn't the right player for that. He actually brings down the value of the package.

I think Orlando could (and would) get a much better trade than Westbrook + Perkins + Sefolosha. At the very least a big market team like NJ, NY, LAL, etc. will find a way to take Gilbert and/or Turkoglu off their hands and will shower them with draft picks and role players. As for Westbrook playing every game as a pro, so did Baron Davis his first three seasons.

I'm not sure I'd pay the price it'd take to get Dwight. But it'd certainly be more than what you're proposing.

[wiff]

Like I mentioned before, IMO Perkins would be a negative for Orlando right now considering how he played this year and his contract. They'll want to rebuild and Perkins isn't the right player for that. He actually brings down the value of the package.

I think Orlando could (and would) get a much better trade than Westbrook + Perkins + Sefolosha. At the very least a big market team like NJ, NY, LAL, etc. will find a way to take Gilbert and/or Turkoglu off their hands and will shower them with draft picks and role players. As for Westbrook playing every game as a pro, so did Baron Davis his first three seasons.

I'm not sure I'd pay the price it'd take to get Dwight. But it'd certainly be more than what you're proposing.

So I should expect Westbrook to be like Baron Davis? That makes absolutely no sense Slick. Would you agree that Westbrook has been durable so far in his young career?

Sure obviously an injury can hit at any moment but would you feel more comfortable trading for a player who has played every single game as a pro? Or would you feel more comfortable trading for a player who has only played 70% of his games as a pro. What Barron "is" has no basis on what Westbrook has done.

That logic is tragically flawed. Let's stay away from him because he has been healthy?

Sure Orlando might get salary relief from another team. And if that's what they want for trading Howard then obviously OKC is not in the picture because they have no bad salaries.

Obviously Orlando would love to get talent and salary relief for Howard. But really only Otis can tell you what they value more in talent or salary relief. Because chances are it's unlikely they will get both. Like I said before if it's salary relief OKC is not going to get Howard, if it's talent OKC could net him. Of course part of it also has to do with how much Howard "wants" to go to OKC. If that's the only destination where he wants to go then Orlando can only dicker so much because Howard will just walk in the off season and they won't have Westbrook to show for it.

There is a lot of leverage going on in dealing with Howard and unfortunately for Otis Smith and Orlando their leverage is pretty limited.

Because personally I don't think they get anything close to Howard's value in a trade.

[Phailadelphia]

Yeah, but Westbrook by himself is nearly worth what Utah got back in that trade

Dwight Howard open to an extension is much more valuable than Deron Williams in limbo. I suspect you're way undervaluing Dwight Howard. Westbrook would have been enough to get Deron Williams at this year's deadline, no doubt, but he's not enough to get a Top 3 NBA player and MVP candidate entering his prime.

With 6 year extension? No doubt I'd give up what you're offering.

Without extension? I barely would want to give up Westbrook. Honestly wouldn't even do the trade without an extension first.

Yeah, and that's what makes all this Dwight-to-OKC trade talk nonsense. He made it pretty clear he wants to play in a big market.

I hope he goes anywhere but LAL. He's my favorite non-OKC player and I'd hate to see him go to a team I thoroughly dislike.

[old rem]

It'd be tough to trade for Howard involving neither Harden nor Ibaka.

Yeah...13 ppg guys are dealbreakers.

Really, if you can combine Dwight, Durant and whatever...you may want to do it.

[Big_Mac79]

Yeah, and that's what makes all this Dwight-to-OKC trade talk nonsense. He made it pretty clear he wants to play in a big market.

I hope he goes anywhere but LAL. He's my favorite non-OKC player and I'd hate to see him go to a team I thoroughly dislike.

I'm hoping he goes to the Clippers
I just think it would be nice if they were relevant

[miltk]

keep westy, trade harden. pg's are harder to come by than sg's. it becomes a matter of who you can replace quicker and easier with comparative talent.

maynor is a jordan farmar type guard...best off the bench, and losing westy makes the pg spot look really anemic.

potential is always nebulous at best, but i believe in westy's work ethic, his desire to improve, and all that based on how far he's come since his soph year at UCLA.

[dopeismarcus]

I'll do Westbrook/Harden/Perkins two 1ST RD for Howard..

With Durant, Ibaka, and Howard at the SF, PF, and C our defense would be best in the league.

[NashtyNas]

That won't get it done. A deal for Dwight would start with Westbrook. Perkins is probably a negative in this trade for Orlando since they would be rebuilding and he has long term salary and unsure health going forward. I don't see them being interested in him.

I think it'd take Westbrook + one of Ibaka / Harden + taking back a bad contract like Hedo and maybe even Arenas. Yes, Westbrook can be a Top 5 PG but Dwight is a Top 5 player.

This. There's no way your getting Dwight without at least one of Harden/Ibaka going their way along with Westbrook, and even then your probably taking on Hedo.

Westbrook/Ibaka/Robinson/Aldrich/Collison/1st for Dwight.

Would have to include a 3rd team to take Perk (Philly works easiest as they're shopping for a center and have expirings).

Noce would go to ORL, Speights + Hedo or Nelson also to OKC.

Maynor/FA
Harden/Sefelosha
KD/Hedo
Collison/Speights
Dwight/Nazr

Ideally, OKC would look to include more picks/cash to try and not have to take Hedo and get Nelson instead (which is possible considering this is a pretty nice package and they'd have like 7 PG's anyways).

[HeartSouloma]

^ I rather have Speights starting over Collison the kid really has alot of potencial to be a great big men, but the pg spot concerds me a little. If Maynor can get stronger then Im all for him to start, and plus we have to have a good bench. But I would be ok with this deal

[The Magic Man]

Dwight fan here,I must say that a big 3 of Durant/Harden/Dwight would be the best in the NBA,and would instantly be the favorites to win the title,if I were the gm for the Thunder I would offer up anything besides Durant/Harden for Dwight.Also don't sleep on Maynor that kid can ball.

Maybe Orlando would bite on this Westbrook,Ibaka,Perkins for Dwight,Turk.

[cb1115]

Magic fan here.

As of right now, I think most Magic fans feel that OKC is the most attractive trading partner in this scenario. Personally, I would be fine with a Westbrook, Harden, and Perkins for Dwight trade. Perkins does bring down the value of the package a little bit, but I think getting Westbrook and Harden would make it worthwhile.

As for you guys, you get to team Durant with Howard and still have a solid supporting cast. Durant + Howard immediately makes you the team to beat in the west and, IMO, makes you the best team in the league. Dwight is that good.

[fallacy]

Magic fan here.

As of right now, I think most Magic fans feel that OKC is the most attractive trading partner in this scenario. Personally, I would be fine with a Westbrook, Harden, and Perkins for Dwight trade. Perkins does bring down the value of the package a little bit, but I think getting Westbrook and Harden would make it worthwhile.

As for you guys, you get to team Durant with Howard and still have a solid supporting cast. Durant + Howard immediately makes you the team to beat in the west and, IMO, makes you the best team in the league. Dwight is that good.

In a trade with OKC you're not going to be able to get both Westbrook and Harden, just because we'll no longer have any perimeter ball handlers. We'd do a trade along the lines of Westbrook + Ibaka + etc just because it will give us more balance in our lineup. For example.

Maynor
Sefolosha
Durant
Ibaka
Howard

vs

Maynor
Harden
Durant
Collison
Howard





EDIT: Even though I would love to see other team's reactions going up against both Ibaka and Dwight. OKC would average like 12 blocks a game

[cb1115]

Balance is important, but that front-court is just nasty. Durant and Howard would already be unfair, but then you add Ibaka into the mix as well? That's a huge front-court.

Look at what we did when we did when we went to the Finals. We had Rafer Alston and Courtney Lee in our back-court. Maynor is more than capable of bringing the ball up the court. And if Durant improves the way he's supposed to, he can be the primary ball handler.

[bbms]

If I got Howard and Durant, I'd develop Durant to become a stretch PF. I'd play him 50% of his time at PF.

Eric Maynor / Reggie Jackson
James Harden / Daequan Cook
Thabo Sefolosha / Hedo Turkoglu
Kevin Durant / Nick Collison
Dwight Howard / Nazr Mohammed.

I think Reggie Jackson will become a better player than Eric Maynor, very good shooter, bigger, stronger and more athletic, is a more complete offensive player(his scoring is very balanced between spot up, isolation, midrange and pick and roll situations).

[rmpcsl]

hey guys I saw some comments about Perk being bad move in the trade so why not find a 3rd team?
Here is my ideia:
1st of all it is Orlando calling Presti so OKC must try to keep Harden/Ibaka and offer Westbrook,Perk,Sefo,Naz plus a bunch of Draft Picks for DH this means:
Maynor / Reggie / Ivey
Harden / Cook
KD / FA / Latavious
Ibaka / Collison
DH / Cole Aldrich / Mullens
then Orlando would have Jameer/Perk to trade for a top ten center to replace DH why not try New Orleans (Okafor) since CP3 and David West will leave they can do something like this:
Jameer/Perk/Bass/QRichardson for Okafor/Ariza (draft picks if needed)
Orlando
RW / Duhon
Sefo / JJ
Ariza / Turk
Anderson / Clark
Okafor / Naz
plus draft picks from OKC next ... couple of years
(Arenas for some bench support kinda like Nate Rob)
when they get rid of Arenas / Turk they will have young good players in (RW22,Sefo26,JJ26 Ariza25,Anderson22,Okafor28) plus a bunch of new players from the draft to improve the team.
New Orleans
Jameer / Banks
Jack / Bellineli
Green / QRichardson
Bass / JSmith
Perk / Gray / Andersen
and maybe some OKC Draft Picks too

[The Magic Man]

If Orlando trades with anyone the Thunder has the best chance to land him in a trade with Westbrook as the centerpiece.

Westbrook,Ibaka,Perkins for Dwight,Turk

pg:Maynor,Robinson
sg:Harden,Thabo
sf:Durant,Turk
pf:Collison
c:Dwight,Nazi