So Thabo's gone right?

[slicedbread2]

I personally feel that the replacements for Thabo in Roberson and Lamb aren't ready yet in the form that both need more seasoning. Future wise, I hope that Lamb can be that 6th man who can provide scoring for the second unit while Roberson becomes that anchor on defense for the starting unit since you need a good balance of both. Given that Thabo has a large wingspan that can allow him to defend the best guards in the league and slow down the best players on the wings while allowing Durant and Westbrook to conserve energy. If I had to give him an extension and everybody knows that he's underpaid right now, I'd give him a Tony Allen like deal for 3-4 years and say 5-6 million a year with the last year being a player option. He'd be best used as a stopgap while Roberson and Lamb grow.

As for Perkins, I think they should use their full MLE to go after Pau Gasol in a S&T with the Lakers and do a trade like this:

OKC: Pau Gasol
LAL: Kendrick Perkins, 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders(the Dallas pick is most likely to be converted this year the way Dallas has been playing unless the Mavericks miss the playoffs).

The ace in the hole asides from having two top 15 players in the league is that Serge Ibaka plays on the Spanish national team with Gasol and has done so for a while so this could work really well. I'd try to offer him a Tim Duncan like deal for 2 years with a P/O for a third since his game can age gracefully well while using him as the stopgap to develop Adams and teach him the tools of the trade on how to work on your offensive game and making decisions since I think he has learned everything he can from Perk on the defensive end. Plus this could put the Thunder over the hump. Not sure ownership would be willing to go over the cap, but you don't want to piss off Durant especially if they fail to win a title by the time his contract is up. He will keep it in mind since there are a bunch of sharks out there looming such as Houston, Washington to name a few going after him.

I'd agree w/ this, except there's no way it costs that much to move Perk. Biedrins and Jefferson went for 1 pick each last offseason, and they're of similar value trade wise (maybe slightly better players, but bigger contracts). Other than that, I like Gasol.

I'd consider adding Jackson and getting Marshall back instead and you just send the Dallas pick and 2 seconds instead, but since the Thunder could only offer the MLE and Gasol will probably want 6-10 million at the most or a Tim Duncan like deal it may take that to get it done since the Lakers got cap space to take back salary in a S&T. Maybe this instead:

OKC: Pau Gasol, Kendal Marshall
LA: Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Dallas first rounder and 2 seconds

Whether the Dallas pick is converted or not, who knows. If it is this year, the Lakers will want that pick and if you are the Thunder, not a big deal. Plus if they feel that Marshall isn't a good enough backup point, they could use their 2014 pick on a point guard since that's the easiest position to fill in the NBA now.

[bondom34]

I'd consider adding Jackson and getting Marshall back instead and you just send the Dallas pick and 2 seconds instead, but since the Thunder could only offer the MLE and Gasol will probably want 6-10 million at the most or a Tim Duncan like deal it may take that to get it done since the Lakers got cap space to take back salary in a S&T. Maybe this instead:

OKC: Pau Gasol, Kendal Marshall
LA: Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Dallas first rounder and 2 seconds

Whether the Dallas pick is converted or not, who knows. If it is this year, the Lakers will want that pick and if you are the Thunder, not a big deal. Plus if they feel that Marshall isn't a good enough backup point, they could use their 2014 pick on a point guard since that's the easiest position to fill in the NBA now.

Jackson would be giving up more than one of the picks though, which defeats the purpose. Again, I don't see any way a 30 something year old Gasol is worth 2 first round picks in a sign and trade when he couldn't net one at the trade deadline as an expiring. The deal to me would be:

OKC/Philly:
Perk and either the Dallas or OKC pick for cap space


Then sign Pau outright, no dependence on the Lakers at all, why gift them anything?

[slicedbread2]

I'd consider adding Jackson and getting Marshall back instead and you just send the Dallas pick and 2 seconds instead, but since the Thunder could only offer the MLE and Gasol will probably want 6-10 million at the most or a Tim Duncan like deal it may take that to get it done since the Lakers got cap space to take back salary in a S&T. Maybe this instead:

OKC: Pau Gasol, Kendal Marshall
LA: Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Dallas first rounder and 2 seconds

Whether the Dallas pick is converted or not, who knows. If it is this year, the Lakers will want that pick and if you are the Thunder, not a big deal. Plus if they feel that Marshall isn't a good enough backup point, they could use their 2014 pick on a point guard since that's the easiest position to fill in the NBA now.

Jackson would be giving up more than one of the picks though, which defeats the purpose. Again, I don't see any way a 30 something year old Gasol is worth 2 first round picks in a sign and trade when he couldn't net one at the trade deadline as an expiring. The deal to me would be:

OKC/Philly:
Perk and either the Dallas or OKC pick for cap space


Then sign Pau outright, no dependence on the Lakers at all, why gift them anything?

I think it wouldn't be a bad idea. But you'd need to get Pau to sign a deal once the FA period begins. Or whenever it begins. Then the Thunder could say amnesty Perkins and let him go elsewhere assuming they can get the deal done and accomplish their goal and not give up anything. If they sign Gasol after the amnesty deadline, teams like Philly would be willing to help, but they'd want more incentive since they know the Thunder would be in a desperate move to create cap space to sign Gasol outright. Plus they'd be giving OKC a large trade exception they could use to bring in a rental in case something happens so this move would put them over the hump. I'd do this deal instead:

OKC: Perkins TPE
Philadelphia/rebuilding team with cap space: Kendrick Perkins(buy him out), Dallas pick since it's more valuable and 1-2 second rounders or 2 first rounders(Dallas pick and OKC pick assuming former is converted)

Hinkie would take the deal and dump Perkins like he did with Granger and let the young guns play. That's what it would take to dump Perk if Gasol signs. If he does sign before the amnesty deadline, great.

[bondom34]

I'd consider adding Jackson and getting Marshall back instead and you just send the Dallas pick and 2 seconds instead, but since the Thunder could only offer the MLE and Gasol will probably want 6-10 million at the most or a Tim Duncan like deal it may take that to get it done since the Lakers got cap space to take back salary in a S&T. Maybe this instead:

OKC: Pau Gasol, Kendal Marshall
LA: Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Dallas first rounder and 2 seconds

Whether the Dallas pick is converted or not, who knows. If it is this year, the Lakers will want that pick and if you are the Thunder, not a big deal. Plus if they feel that Marshall isn't a good enough backup point, they could use their 2014 pick on a point guard since that's the easiest position to fill in the NBA now.

Jackson would be giving up more than one of the picks though, which defeats the purpose. Again, I don't see any way a 30 something year old Gasol is worth 2 first round picks in a sign and trade when he couldn't net one at the trade deadline as an expiring. The deal to me would be:

OKC/Philly:
Perk and either the Dallas or OKC pick for cap space


Then sign Pau outright, no dependence on the Lakers at all, why gift them anything?

I think it wouldn't be a bad idea. But you'd need to get Pau to sign a deal once the FA period begins. Or whenever it begins. Then the Thunder could say amnesty Perkins and let him go elsewhere assuming they can get the deal done and accomplish their goal and not give up anything. If they sign Gasol after the amnesty deadline, teams like Philly would be willing to help, but they'd want more incentive since they know the Thunder would be in a desperate move to create cap space to sign Gasol outright. Plus they'd be giving OKC a large trade exception they could use to bring in a rental in case something happens so this move would put them over the hump. I'd do this deal instead:

OKC: Perkins TPE
Philadelphia/rebuilding team with cap space: Kendrick Perkins(buy him out), Dallas pick since it's more valuable and 1-2 second rounders or 2 first rounders(Dallas pick and OKC pick assuming former is converted)

Hinkie would take the deal and dump Perkins like he did with Granger and let the young guns play. That's what it would take to dump Perk if Gasol signs. If he does sign before the amnesty deadline, great.

Not gonna see 2 firsts having to go out for Perk, I know we've done this on the trade board and Philly's pretty good w/ one and Perk for cap space. Considering the way picks are valued, giving up 2 is flat out bad business.

[slicedbread2]

Jackson would be giving up more than one of the picks though, which defeats the purpose. Again, I don't see any way a 30 something year old Gasol is worth 2 first round picks in a sign and trade when he couldn't net one at the trade deadline as an expiring. The deal to me would be:

OKC/Philly:
Perk and either the Dallas or OKC pick for cap space


Then sign Pau outright, no dependence on the Lakers at all, why gift them anything?

I think it wouldn't be a bad idea. But you'd need to get Pau to sign a deal once the FA period begins. Or whenever it begins. Then the Thunder could say amnesty Perkins and let him go elsewhere assuming they can get the deal done and accomplish their goal and not give up anything. If they sign Gasol after the amnesty deadline, teams like Philly would be willing to help, but they'd want more incentive since they know the Thunder would be in a desperate move to create cap space to sign Gasol outright. Plus they'd be giving OKC a large trade exception they could use to bring in a rental in case something happens so this move would put them over the hump. I'd do this deal instead:

OKC: Perkins TPE
Philadelphia/rebuilding team with cap space: Kendrick Perkins(buy him out), Dallas pick since it's more valuable and 1-2 second rounders or 2 first rounders(Dallas pick and OKC pick assuming former is converted)

Hinkie would take the deal and dump Perkins like he did with Granger and let the young guns play. That's what it would take to dump Perk if Gasol signs. If he does sign before the amnesty deadline, great.

Not gonna see 2 firsts having to go out for Perk, I know we've done this on the trade board and Philly's pretty good w/ one and Perk for cap space. Considering the way picks are valued, giving up 2 is flat out bad business.

It's a good point I guess. It depends on where the Dallas pick goes I suppose. If I were Hinkie and it'd be selfish, but I'd ask for a second in addition to the first. But if the Dallas pick ends up say 21-22 and they find someone they like, I think Hinkie jumps for it especially considering how highly valued first rounders are these days.

[bondom34]

It's a good point I guess. It depends on where the Dallas pick goes I suppose. If I were Hinkie and it'd be selfish, but I'd ask for a second in addition to the first. But if the Dallas pick ends up say 21-22 and they find someone they like, I think Hinkie jumps for it especially considering how highly valued first rounders are these days.

I'd gladly do one of the picks (Dallas pick is fine if conveyed) for Perk, OKC doesn't have a second this year so that wouldn't be an option though.

[slicedbread2]

It's a good point I guess. It depends on where the Dallas pick goes I suppose. If I were Hinkie and it'd be selfish, but I'd ask for a second in addition to the first. But if the Dallas pick ends up say 21-22 and they find someone they like, I think Hinkie jumps for it especially considering how highly valued first rounders are these days.

I'd gladly do one of the picks (Dallas pick is fine if conveyed) for Perk, OKC doesn't have a second this year so that wouldn't be an option though.

I think the 2015 second would work well since Hinkie doesn't really care at this point when the pick will be. I mean shoot he paid Granger's salary along with Maynor's for this year and next year to get a second rounder. I give him props for cleaning up the mess in Philadelphia and now he's plowing the seeds the way Presti did when he started.

[bondom34]

It's a good point I guess. It depends on where the Dallas pick goes I suppose. If I were Hinkie and it'd be selfish, but I'd ask for a second in addition to the first. But if the Dallas pick ends up say 21-22 and they find someone they like, I think Hinkie jumps for it especially considering how highly valued first rounders are these days.

I'd gladly do one of the picks (Dallas pick is fine if conveyed) for Perk, OKC doesn't have a second this year so that wouldn't be an option though.

I think the 2015 second would work well since Hinkie doesn't really care at this point when the pick will be. I mean shoot he paid Granger's salary along with Maynor's for this year and next year to get a second rounder. I give him props for cleaning up the mess in Philadelphia and now he's plowing the seeds the way Presti did when he started.

I'd possibly give up that, but I may even do the top 55 protected just b/c I really don't think its worth more than 1 pick, but just my opinion.

[Bravenewworld]

I wonder if we could give up Lamb, Thabo and our two firsts this year for Wiggins. Hell, if thats the case maybe we can just go for Embiid.

Ok so now that my delusions are over, i wonder what value we could get for that package. That should be a star player and said star player should push us over an edge.

[wizkid27]

Roberson hit a corner 3 last night... Thabo is gone