Billy Donovan Early Season Review

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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#41 » by spearsy23 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:23 am

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Pillendreher wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/688444645483778049[/tweet]

Yeah. About that...


That was and is ridiculous from the get go. If Russ doesn't intercept the pass after fronting the guy he's not all that effective on most NBA PFs nor should any reasonable person expect him to be.

Eh, I mean for a pg he does a good job, he can hold position well and does a solid job stripping the ball and contesting against below average ones. I wouldn't say he should switch, but he can in some circumstances.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#42 » by Old Man Game » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:35 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/688444645483778049[/tweet]

Yeah. About that...


That was and is ridiculous from the get go. If Russ doesn't intercept the pass after fronting the guy he's not all that effective on most NBA PFs nor should any reasonable person expect him to be.

Eh, I mean for a pg he does a good job, he can hold position well and does a solid job stripping the ball and contesting against below average ones. I wouldn't say he should switch, but he can in some circumstances.


Wonder what the Sport Vu player tracking stuff says about this. Anyone have the numbers handy on that?
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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#43 » by bondom34 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:04 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:
That was and is ridiculous from the get go. If Russ doesn't intercept the pass after fronting the guy he's not all that effective on most NBA PFs nor should any reasonable person expect him to be.

Eh, I mean for a pg he does a good job, he can hold position well and does a solid job stripping the ball and contesting against below average ones. I wouldn't say he should switch, but he can in some circumstances.


Wonder what the Sport Vu player tracking stuff says about this. Anyone have the numbers handy on that?

In the post he's in the 64th percentile on defense. Not ideal, but he can do it sometimes.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&CF=TeamNameAbbreviation*E*okc
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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#44 » by Zagor » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:40 pm

I'm ready to agree with the people who blame Billy and other coaches for bad defense.
In some point of season, you just can't blame players for lousy defense.....especially if we have a lot of long and athletic players.
I mean, TT had a great defense with some average players. Something is wrong and that needs to be recognized.
And I don't think it is comitment of players. Defensive scheme and comunication is very bad.

Billy is very weird coach, like teacher in the school, too much explaining....but can he see his possible mistakes with defense or he will ignore them and be stubborn?
I see some better understanding of offense than Brooks.....but most of us still question his recruitment. Could some veteran coach bring out more from defense?
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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#45 » by Old Man Game » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:26 pm

bondom34 wrote:
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spearsy23 wrote:Eh, I mean for a pg he does a good job, he can hold position well and does a solid job stripping the ball and contesting against below average ones. I wouldn't say he should switch, but he can in some circumstances.


Wonder what the Sport Vu player tracking stuff says about this. Anyone have the numbers handy on that?

In the post he's in the 64th percentile on defense. Not ideal, but he can do it sometimes.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&CF=TeamNameAbbreviation*E*okc


Okay, thanks. I guess that's probably a D to D minus. It's a passing grade if you're a glass half full sort of guy or it leaves a little to be desired if your a glass half empty guy.
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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#46 » by Old Man Game » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:29 pm

Zagor wrote:I'm ready to agree with the people who blame Billy and other coaches for bad defense.
In some point of season, you just can't blame players for lousy defense.....especially if we have a lot of long and athletic players.
I mean, TT had a great defense with some average players. Something is wrong and that needs to be recognized.
And I don't think it is comitment of players. Defensive scheme and comunication is very bad.

Billy is very weird coach, like teacher in the school, too much explaining....but can he see his possible mistakes with defense or he will ignore them and be stubborn?
I see some better understanding of offense than Brooks.....but most of us still question his recruitment. Could some veteran coach bring out more from defense?


I think his hiring without even interviewing other candidates is one of the things that really bugs me. You don't even want to interview Thibs? Seriously? The writing was already on the wall that Chicago was parting ways with him. You wait just a bit and maybe he's our coach. I'd have felt a lot more comfortable with him leading the team in this season.

Anyway. No point in complaining about it I guess.
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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#47 » by bondom34 » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:13 am

Old Man Game wrote:
Zagor wrote:I'm ready to agree with the people who blame Billy and other coaches for bad defense.
In some point of season, you just can't blame players for lousy defense.....especially if we have a lot of long and athletic players.
I mean, TT had a great defense with some average players. Something is wrong and that needs to be recognized.
And I don't think it is comitment of players. Defensive scheme and comunication is very bad.

Billy is very weird coach, like teacher in the school, too much explaining....but can he see his possible mistakes with defense or he will ignore them and be stubborn?
I see some better understanding of offense than Brooks.....but most of us still question his recruitment. Could some veteran coach bring out more from defense?


I think his hiring without even interviewing other candidates is one of the things that really bugs me
. You don't even want to interview Thibs? Seriously? The writing was already on the wall that Chicago was parting ways with him. You wait just a bit and maybe he's our coach. I'd have felt a lot more comfortable with him leading the team in this season.

Anyway. No point in complaining about it I guess.

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Re: Billy Donovan Early Season Review 

Post#48 » by spearsy23 » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:04 am

bondom34 wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
Zagor wrote:I'm ready to agree with the people who blame Billy and other coaches for bad defense.
In some point of season, you just can't blame players for lousy defense.....especially if we have a lot of long and athletic players.
I mean, TT had a great defense with some average players. Something is wrong and that needs to be recognized.
And I don't think it is comitment of players. Defensive scheme and comunication is very bad.

Billy is very weird coach, like teacher in the school, too much explaining....but can he see his possible mistakes with defense or he will ignore them and be stubborn?
I see some better understanding of offense than Brooks.....but most of us still question his recruitment. Could some veteran coach bring out more from defense?


I think his hiring without even interviewing other candidates is one of the things that really bugs me
. You don't even want to interview Thibs? Seriously? The writing was already on the wall that Chicago was parting ways with him. You wait just a bit and maybe he's our coach. I'd have felt a lot more comfortable with him leading the team in this season.

Anyway. No point in complaining about it I guess.

Same here man

Don't make me go on another nepotism rant :evil:

It could've been Ettore damn it.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.

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