OKC should trade Ibaka

[kraytinprime]

Iirc aren't you in the 'KD needs to play the PF' camp?

we won't get jimmy butler for serge. i think middleton could be possible. a player of that caliber. serge could have a ton of trade value in the offseason to a team that strikes out in FA with his low 2017 cap number. he's a good role player, but he's still a role player, and if the thunder can get more value out of trading him (especially v. negotiating in ufa) they should consider it.

yes. the more kd plays power forward, the better this team will be. this year has been super frustrating in that regard. not only has kd spent less overall time there, but the time he is spending at pf has been split among ibaka and kanter pairing. definitely sub-optimal practices.

KD is the ultimate PF for the new NBA. But the problem is OKC does not have enough wing players to play KD heavy PF minutes. Plus OKC has an over supply of PF/C.

Lets say KD plays PF. Then Ibaka/Kanter/Adams all need to share 48 minutes at playing center. Its obvious that we have too many 'centers' on our roster. That's why I want OKC to trade Ibaka for more wing help.

Lets say KD plays 30 minutes at PF.
Then Adams/Kanter/Ibaka need to split the remaining 18 minutes at PF and 48 minutes at center. That means each only plays an average of 22 minutes a game. Talk about under utilization.

KD plays 5 minutes at small forward.
We need to find 43 minutes at small forward and 48 minutes at shooting guard.

That's 91 minutes that has to be spread to Waiters, Singler, and Roberson. I don't want those dudes to be playing THAT MUCH. that is why we desperately need another wing or two. We aint beating the elite teams if we have Sinlger playing 30+ minutes a game.

If we get 1 or 2 quality wings we can play KD 30 minutes a game at PF without putting crapping players at the SF position

[slick_watts]

OKC gets Crowder and Avery Bradley

i like jae crowder and he's on a fantastic contract. i'm not a fan of avery bradley. i think the thunder would need more value. but crowder is another guy in the mold of what i think we could be looking for in return for serge. that's the kind of player we lack.

[spearsy23]

Iirc aren't you in the 'KD needs to play the PF' camp?

we won't get jimmy butler for serge. i think middleton could be possible. a player of that caliber. serge could have a ton of trade value in the offseason to a team that strikes out in FA with his low 2017 cap number. he's a good role player, but he's still a role player, and if the thunder can get more value out of trading him (especially v. negotiating in ufa) they should consider it.

yes. the more kd plays power forward, the better this team will be. this year has been super frustrating in that regard. not only has kd spent less overall time there, but the time he is spending at pf has been split among ibaka and kanter pairing. definitely sub-optimal practices.

Middleton has moved awfully close to the Jimmy Butler level, not there, but still much more valuable than Serge, I seriously doubt MKE would even consider it. The trade value for as one year rental of Serge just isn't going to be worth as much as his play, especially if Russ and KD are both set to enter free agency.

I agree that playing small more would be a good thing, but it's much easier to do that effectively by keeping Serge and moving Kanter for a semi-solid wing. There will be a team willing to take a chance on Kanter, and the team is much better moving him that anyone erlse.

[kraytinprime]

Iirc aren't you in the 'KD needs to play the PF' camp?

we won't get jimmy butler for serge. i think middleton could be possible. a player of that caliber. serge could have a ton of trade value in the offseason to a team that strikes out in FA with his low 2017 cap number. he's a good role player, but he's still a role player, and if the thunder can get more value out of trading him (especially v. negotiating in ufa) they should consider it.

yes. the more kd plays power forward, the better this team will be. this year has been super frustrating in that regard. not only has kd spent less overall time there, but the time he is spending at pf has been split among ibaka and kanter pairing. definitely sub-optimal practices.

Middleton has moved awfully close to the Jimmy Butler level, not there, but still much more valuable than Serge, I seriously doubt MKE would even consider it. The trade value for as one year rental of Serge just isn't going to be worth as much as his play, especially if Russ and KD are both set to enter free agency.

I agree that playing small more would be a good thing, but it's much easier to do that effectively by keeping Serge and moving Kanter for a semi-solid wing. There will be a team willing to take a chance on Kanter, and the team is much better moving him that anyone erlse.

I agree we can't get Butler or Middleton for Serge. Both are too good on the offensive side of the ball.

I do think we can get Crowder or Ariza for Serge (plus a role player or two to even up salaries)

No way on earth can you get a semi-solid wing for Kanter and his contract. In fact you probably have to give up a draft pick or Payne/McGary to shed his contract.

That's why I think we need to move Serge NOW. He's the only big that will yield us a good wing. And his value will go down significantly next year on an expiring deal. Its better to trade an older player 1 year early than 1 year too late.

I repeat: there is NO WAY we get a good wing player by trading Kanter and his $17 million contract. No way.

[kraytinprime]

OKC gets Crowder and Avery Bradley

i like jae crowder and he's on a fantastic contract. i'm not a fan of avery bradley. i think the thunder would need more value. but crowder is another guy in the mold of what i think we could be looking for in return for serge. that's the kind of player we lack.

Jae Crowder is on long term deal that pays him about $7 million till 2020. Bradley is signed till 2018 for about $8 million a year.

Both are incredible deals, especially when the cap goes up. We need guys on these kind of deals in order to resign KD, Russ, and Adams in the next 2 years.

Presti needs to do something or else we lose Ibaka for nothing next year.

[slick_watts]

OKC gets Crowder and Avery Bradley

i like jae crowder and he's on a fantastic contract. i'm not a fan of avery bradley. i think the thunder would need more value. but crowder is another guy in the mold of what i think we could be looking for in return for serge. that's the kind of player we lack.

Jae Crowder is on long term deal that pays him about $7 million till 2020. Bradley is signed till 2018 for about $8 million a year.

Both are incredible deals, especially when the cap goes up. We need guys on these kind of deals in order to resign KD, Russ, and Adams in the next 2 years.

Presti needs to do something or else we lose Ibaka for nothing next year.

i'm not a fan of avery bradley.

[kraytinprime]

i like jae crowder and he's on a fantastic contract. i'm not a fan of avery bradley. i think the thunder would need more value. but crowder is another guy in the mold of what i think we could be looking for in return for serge. that's the kind of player we lack.

Jae Crowder is on long term deal that pays him about $7 million till 2020. Bradley is signed till 2018 for about $8 million a year.

Both are incredible deals, especially when the cap goes up. We need guys on these kind of deals in order to resign KD, Russ, and Adams in the next 2 years.

Presti needs to do something or else we lose Ibaka for nothing next year.

i'm not a fan of avery bradley.

He's not the greatest. But he is a guy who can defend both guard positions at a high level and hit 37% 3FG. In other words a 2 way player that we lack.

Who else would you want from Boston?

[bwgood77]

I like Ibaka but he needs to be moved.

1. He will command a max deal in a couple of years. No way can OKC afford keeping everyone. They won't be able to sign Adams if they sign Ibaka.

2. We are overloaded with bigs and have huge gaps on the wing.

3. We desperately need a 3 and D wing to compete with GSW.

4. GSW and the Spurs have found an easy way to counter Ibaka's shot blocking

5. Ibaka has high value right now. But its pretty obvious he's on the wrong side of 30

My dream trade would be this:

Houston gets Ibaka

OKC gets Trevor Ariza and Terrance Jones


Houston will get another 'star' and Ibaka is Daryl Morrey's dream center who can shoot 3 pointers and protect the rim. They also need Ibaka to take Dwight's place. OKC gets the 3 and D wing they have desperately wanted for 5 years. Ariza can guard 3 positions and even small power forwards like Draymond Green. Plus he's at 38% from 3 FG. Terrance Jones will be our 4th big.

OKC Starting line up:

Russ/Waiters/Ariza/KD/Adams

Bench:

Payne/Roberson/Kanter/Singler/Jones

You'd trade Ibaka for Ariza and Terrence Jones? I wish you were the GM, and you would make some trades with Phx then. I thought you complained in another thread about not surrounding premier players with good role players, so now you want to get rid of a premier player?



If that trade happened, a year from now you would add to your list of mistakes

12. Traded a great player in Ibaka for an over the hill Trevor Ariza and Terrence frickin Jones.

[kdthunderup]

Iirc aren't you in the 'KD needs to play the PF' camp?

we won't get jimmy butler for serge. i think middleton could be possible. a player of that caliber. serge could have a ton of trade value in the offseason to a team that strikes out in FA with his low 2017 cap number. he's a good role player, but he's still a role player, and if the thunder can get more value out of trading him (especially v. negotiating in ufa) they should consider it.

yes. the more kd plays power forward, the better this team will be. this year has been super frustrating in that regard. not only has kd spent less overall time there, but the time he is spending at pf has been split among ibaka and kanter pairing. definitely sub-optimal practices.

Main thing going against OKC in a Ibaka/Middleton trade is that Ibaka's contract expires at the end of next season and Milwaukee wouldn't give up Middleton for a 1 year rental of Ibaka.

[addictionary]

Can't imagine Giannis and Ibaka together though. Would be killer. Losing Ibaka means even worse D. Set up a D that players have actually learned their roles and you can trade him for a cheaper protector.

[jcsunsfan]

I don't get this thread. Isn't Ibaka a 3 and D pf? He is a career 37% shooter from 3. Is the problem because you believe he cannot defend out on the floor?

BTW, those are horrible trades for Ibaka.

[StunnaStan]

Okc fans are dumb. You got 2 guys chucking all the shots and iso'ing 24/7 and you blame ibaka???? Evem when yall had harden, yall ain't start him cause you wanted more shots for your chuckers. Stop using ibaka as a scapegoat

[bondom34]

Okc fans are dumb. You got 2 guys chucking all the shots and iso'ing 24/7 and you blame ibaka???? Evem when yall had harden, yall ain't start him cause you wanted more shots for your chuckers. Stop using ibaka as a scapegoat

1. Don't start the 2 chuckers BS
2. If you couldn't tell the OP is a troll, I don't know what to say, I assume you didn't read the actual thread.

[spearsy23]

Okc fans are dumb. You got 2 guys chucking all the shots and iso'ing 24/7 and you blame ibaka???? Evem when yall had harden, yall ain't start him cause you wanted more shots for your chuckers. Stop using ibaka as a scapegoat

They hate us cause they anus.