2/26 - POSTGAME | Orlando Magic (105) - (112) Oklahoma City Thunder

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Player(s) of the Game

Paul George | 23 PTS (8-19 FG), 8 REB
0
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Steven Adams | 16 PTS (6-8 FG), 8 REB
2
22%
Raymond Felton | 12 PTS (5-7 FG, 3-3 3P)
2
22%
Jerami Grant | 10 PTS (4-7 FG)
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No votes
Patrick Patterson | 11 PTS (4-4 FG, 2-2 3P)
3
33%
Alex Abrines | 12 PTS (4-10 FG, 2-7 3P)
1
11%
Other (specify below)
1
11%
 
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Post#21 » by Pillendreher » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:22 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:He's not driving in transition, and is passing almost every time he's in the lane, to adams. He doesn't do that when he's healthy. People knew about it, he sat games before the break and hasn't been able to elevate since coming back. Do you even look at the stats you post? His fgas are way down in the lane (from 8 to 3!) Over the last 11, and he's shooting more 3s out of necessity, because he can't finish inside these last few. When he's right he finishes/attacks the rim all game. He goes through stretches like this, for games at a time. Have you not followed his career?


When teams load up on you with 3 to 4 guys shifting towards you everytime you come close to the paint, that does something to your shot selection. Cleveland did an excellent job at that and the Warriors kept him out of the paint as well.
I agree with you insofar that he looked kinda hesitant last night and was not really looking for his shot(s). But I disagree insofar as you're implying that he must be hurt. Playing horribly does not equate being injured. Especially when it's the same kind of performances we've seen from him for the first two months of the season. And when our offensive gameplan changed, his game improved greatly as well. So now that we're back to Adams being the only guy setting screens for people, his offensive game is back to garbage, too. Not a coincidence.
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Post#22 » by Old Man Game » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:30 pm

The ole' 'America, love it or leave it' style of argument applied to sports fandom.
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Post#23 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:00 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:He's not driving in transition, and is passing almost every time he's in the lane, to adams. He doesn't do that when he's healthy. People knew about it, he sat games before the break and hasn't been able to elevate since coming back. Do you even look at the stats you post? His fgas are way down in the lane (from 8 to 3!) Over the last 11, and he's shooting more 3s out of necessity, because he can't finish inside these last few. When he's right he finishes/attacks the rim all game. He goes through stretches like this, for games at a time. Have you not followed his career?


When teams load up on you with 3 to 4 guys shifting towards you everytime you come close to the paint, that does something to your shot selection. Cleveland did an excellent job at that and the Warriors kept him out of the paint as well.
I agree with you insofar that he looked kinda hesitant last night and was not really looking for his shot(s). But I disagree insofar as you're implying that he must be hurt. Playing horribly does not equate being injured. Especially when it's the same kind of performances we've seen from him for the first two months of the season. And when our offensive gameplan changed, his game improved greatly as well. So now that we're back to Adams being the only guy setting screens for people, his offensive game is back to garbage, too. Not a coincidence.


The defense has overloaded on him his entire career. It hasn't mattered. He isn't posting up or driving to the basket. Pretty easy to see something isn't right with him, and hasn't been the last 6 games or so.
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Post#24 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:01 pm

Old Man Game wrote:The ole' 'America, love it or leave it' style of argument applied to sports fandom.


Just don't see what's not to love. Outside the top 2 teams in the league, historic offensive juggernaughts, they are in as good shape as anyone with the playoffs approaching. Not happy with that as a fan?
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Post#25 » by Pillendreher » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:16 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:He's not driving in transition, and is passing almost every time he's in the lane, to adams. He doesn't do that when he's healthy. People knew about it, he sat games before the break and hasn't been able to elevate since coming back. Do you even look at the stats you post? His fgas are way down in the lane (from 8 to 3!) Over the last 11, and he's shooting more 3s out of necessity, because he can't finish inside these last few. When he's right he finishes/attacks the rim all game. He goes through stretches like this, for games at a time. Have you not followed his career?


When teams load up on you with 3 to 4 guys shifting towards you everytime you come close to the paint, that does something to your shot selection. Cleveland did an excellent job at that and the Warriors kept him out of the paint as well.
I agree with you insofar that he looked kinda hesitant last night and was not really looking for his shot(s). But I disagree insofar as you're implying that he must be hurt. Playing horribly does not equate being injured. Especially when it's the same kind of performances we've seen from him for the first two months of the season. And when our offensive gameplan changed, his game improved greatly as well. So now that we're back to Adams being the only guy setting screens for people, his offensive game is back to garbage, too. Not a coincidence.


Pretty easy to see something isn't right with him, and hasn't been the last 6 games or so.


Yeah, he's playing like crap and there's not enough room for him to do anything. That's what's wrong with him.
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Post#26 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:18 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
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When teams load up on you with 3 to 4 guys shifting towards you everytime you come close to the paint, that does something to your shot selection. Cleveland did an excellent job at that and the Warriors kept him out of the paint as well.
I agree with you insofar that he looked kinda hesitant last night and was not really looking for his shot(s). But I disagree insofar as you're implying that he must be hurt. Playing horribly does not equate being injured. Especially when it's the same kind of performances we've seen from him for the first two months of the season. And when our offensive gameplan changed, his game improved greatly as well. So now that we're back to Adams being the only guy setting screens for people, his offensive game is back to garbage, too. Not a coincidence.


Pretty easy to see something isn't right with him, and hasn't been the last 6 games or so.


Yeah, he's playing like crap and there's not enough room for him to do anything. That's what's wrong with him.



Why isn't he posting up then, like he always does?
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Post#27 » by Andre Roberstan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:39 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Pretty easy to see something isn't right with him, and hasn't been the last 6 games or so.


Yeah, he's playing like crap and there's not enough room for him to do anything. That's what's wrong with him.



Why isn't he posting up then, like he always does?


Mikey Berra was talking about this on Twitter—said Melo's been sliding more into the post instead of spacing the floor, which is pinching Westbrook's (and to some extent George's) real estate.
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Post#28 » by Pillendreher » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:52 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Yeah, he's playing like crap and there's not enough room for him to do anything. That's what's wrong with him.



Why isn't he posting up then, like he always does?


Mikey Berra was talking about this on Twitter—said Melo's been sliding more into the post instead of spacing the floor, which is pinching Westbrook's (and to some extent George's) real estate.


Melo on offense is a real conundrum. For him to not get in the way, he ideally stays on the perimeter. When he does that tho there's nobody to set picks and play close to the rim for easy buckets. And when he floats closer toward the rim to post up, he's taking away space for everybody else.

I don't know how to fix that.
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Post#29 » by EnragedThunder » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:33 pm

Melo actually can generate offense on any given night, unlike 80% of the team's roster. I refuse to bash him.

What I saw last night was the bench stepping up, and players like Abrines getting more involved. This is good for the Thunder. I like Westbrooks' past first approach, he needs to conserve some energy for the playoffs. I like how Adams is gradually becoming the go to guy on offense, the starters are consistently looking for him in the paint for easy points. Last night was a win, and I'll take it.
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Post#30 » by CROklahoma » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:40 pm

What game did you watch ? They threw one ball in the whole second half to Adams, is that what you call "consistently looking for him ?"
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Post#31 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:50 pm

Knrstz wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:You guys all season: they can't beat bad teams!!

They start to beat bad teams: They stink, Westbrook sucks, they weren't winning the whole game, should've won by morrreeee!! God, I can see why some of you don't enjoy watching them. You hate them. Seriously, warriors and rockets are accepting fans. Only situations that are better. Otherwise what the hell are you complaining about?


Conversely you tout that they show up in big games and now that they have lost to the Warriors and Cavs, that argument is dying.



Conversely to what? I don't 'tout that they show up in big games', ......they have played good against top tier teams. I wasn't expecting them to sweep all of them all year. Just like they are beginning to beat these bad teams, which they are.
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Post#32 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:52 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
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hardenASG13 wrote:You guys all season: they can't beat bad teams!!

They start to beat bad teams: They stink, Westbrook sucks, they weren't winning the whole game, should've won by morrreeee!! God, I can see why some of you don't enjoy watching them. You hate them. Seriously, warriors and rockets are accepting fans. Only situations that are better. Otherwise what the hell are you complaining about?


Conversely you tout that they show up in big games and now that they have lost to the Warriors and Cavs, that argument is dying.


'They start to beat bad teams'

This is us vs bad teams recently:

vs MEM: +18
@ MEM: +7
@ SAC: +3
vs ORL: +7

These three teams currently combine for a total of 54 wins. They are deliberately trying to lose games. Barely escaping 3x vs horrible teams is not 'Starting to beat bad teams'. It's embarassing for a franchise that told everybody that it was a contender.


So they have won by an average of 8 points per game, and literally have beat all those teams. So your gripe is that they aren't killing them by more?
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Post#33 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:44 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:You guys all season: they can't beat bad teams!!

They start to beat bad teams: They stink, Westbrook sucks, they weren't winning the whole game, should've won by morrreeee!! God, I can see why some of you don't enjoy watching them. You hate them. Seriously, warriors and rockets are accepting fans. Only situations that are better. Otherwise what the hell are you complaining about?


Conversely you tout that they show up in big games and now that they have lost to the Warriors and Cavs, that argument is dying.



Conversely to what? I don't 'tout that they show up in big games', ......they have played good against top tier teams. I wasn't expecting them to sweep all of them all year. Just like they are beginning to beat these bad teams, which they are.

You have said this is a good team. I guess you need to clarify what “good” means. Over half of the teams in the nba make the playoffs. It’s quite possible what you define as being “good”, others refer to as average or slightly above.
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Post#34 » by hardenASG13 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:16 am

Knrstz wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
Conversely you tout that they show up in big games and now that they have lost to the Warriors and Cavs, that argument is dying.



Conversely to what? I don't 'tout that they show up in big games', ......they have played good against top tier teams. I wasn't expecting them to sweep all of them all year. Just like they are beginning to beat these bad teams, which they are.

You have said this is a good team. I guess you need to clarify what “good” means. Over half of the teams in the nba make the playoffs. It’s quite possible what you define as being “good”, others refer to as average or slightly above.


Yeah half make it. There are 2 teams with a real chance. 2 or 3 more who people would get excited to see play one of those teams. Okc is in that second group ( with maybe the spurs/Toronto/Cleveland). That's pretty good.
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Post#35 » by Kizz Fastfists » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:21 am

hardenASG13 wrote:Yeah half make it. There are 2 teams with a real chance. 2 or 3 more who people would get excited to see play one of those teams. Okc is in that second group ( with maybe the spurs/Toronto/Cleveland). That's pretty good.



Group 1 (Contenders)- GS and Houston
Group 2 (Have a punchers' chance)- Boston, Cleveland and Toronto
Group 3 (Long shots, but not completely impossible for them to win a title)- SA and Minny
Group 4 (might make playoffs but are irrelevant)- Wash, Indy, Phi, Bucks, Heat, Denver, Portland, LAC, Utah, NO, OKC, Pistons and Hornets.
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Post#36 » by Pillendreher » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:46 am

hardenASG13 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
Conversely you tout that they show up in big games and now that they have lost to the Warriors and Cavs, that argument is dying.


'They start to beat bad teams'

This is us vs bad teams recently:

vs MEM: +18
@ MEM: +7
@ SAC: +3
vs ORL: +7

These three teams currently combine for a total of 54 wins. They are deliberately trying to lose games. Barely escaping 3x vs horrible teams is not 'Starting to beat bad teams'. It's embarassing for a franchise that told everybody that it was a contender.


So they have won by an average of 8 points per game, and literally have beat all those teams. So your gripe is that they aren't killing them by more?


My gripe is that they're not playing well. The only decisive win was against the Grizzlies in the first game. They squandered leads against both Memphis (2nd game) and Sacramento while playing from behind vs Orlando the whole time.

Just to get this straight: They are calling themselves contenders and are playing teams that have no interest in winning. And yet here we are winning games by 2 to 3 possessions against horrific squads.

To be considered good, you actually have to play well. That includes pounding horrible teams, not barely getting by.
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