3/10 - POSTGAME | San Antonio Spurs (94) - (104) Oklahoma City Thunder

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Corey Brewer | 12 PTS (4-7 FG, 2-2 3P)
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Russell Westbrook | 20 PTS (7-15 FG), 12 REB, 10 AST
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Jerami Grant | 15 PTS (5-5 FG), 7 REB
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Patrick Patterson | 10 PTS (4-7 FG, 2-4 3P), 4 REB
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Alex Abrines | 8 PTS (3-5 FG, 2-3 3P)
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Nick Collison | 7 PTS (3-5 FG)
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Post#41 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:42 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Just goes to show if we didn't have one of the worst benches in the league on the season this is a whole different season.


For whatever reason, the bench mob lineup has worked.

Felton-Abrines-Huestis-Patterson-Grant: 108.2 ORtG | 102. 4 DRtG | +5.8 NetRtG (103 minutes)

Abrines shooting 42 % from 3, Patterson 53 % from 3 in that lineup. Abrines 58 TS%, Patterson 71 TS%, Grant 62 TS%. Only my man Josh Huestis the big outlier with 19 TS%. :lol: :lol:
For whatever reason, Felton can't make a shot in that lineup tho: 31 % from 3, 45 TS%.

EDIT: No worries tho about Josh Huestis tho: 53.3 TS% while sharing the court with Russ since Robes went down on 40 % from 3.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#42 » by hardenASG13 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:43 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Last night was the first time, probably since the first game we played in Oakland (the win) where this looked like a team that could make noise in the playoffs. Caveat is guy were making shots at a level they probably won't in the playoffs. Still was good to see 2 Pat hitting shots, Abrines, even Brewer and Huestis. Just goes to show if we didn't have one of the worst benches in the league on the season this is a whole different season.


The playoffs are a whole different season to, with no back to backs, playing the same team every night, practicing/adjusting particularly to that 1 team between games, and shortening the rotation. Unless Donovan is literally trying to get fired, the weakness of the bench won't be as big a deal come playoff time.
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Post#43 » by spearsy23 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:47 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
For whatever reason, Felton can't make a shot in that lineup tho: 31 % from 3, 45 TS%.

He's things only guy in that unit that can even kinda isolate or create so he's stuck with all the bailouts after a failed set and 'go get a bucket' plays.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#44 » by spearsy23 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:52 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:Last night was the first time, probably since the first game we played in Oakland (the win) where this looked like a team that could make noise in the playoffs. Caveat is guy were making shots at a level they probably won't in the playoffs. Still was good to see 2 Pat hitting shots, Abrines, even Brewer and Huestis. Just goes to show if we didn't have one of the worst benches in the league on the season this is a whole different season.


The playoffs are a whole different season to, with no back to backs, playing the same team every night, practicing/adjusting particularly to that 1 team between games, and shortening the rotation. Unless Donovan is literally trying to get fired, the weakness of the bench won't be as big a deal come playoff time.

Bench talent is still extremely important, almost all championship teams either have spectacular depth or top tier 6th and 7th men.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#45 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:55 pm

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I actually thought tonight was a step towards the come together idea. The bench gaining confidence, winning a game they really couldn’t afford to lose, finding a way to patch together a front line when Adams went out, avoiding a meltdown at the end. On top of that neither Melo or George could hit water while standing on a beach tonight.

So many things could have led to this being a loss. It turned out to be a comfortable win.

Would I love a first round pick? Of Course
Do I want to miss what I still believe could easily end in a second round playoff series loss for what would all but be the 14th pick? Not sure/leaning towards No, because I believe that would seal the George leaving fate


I’m just not sure it’s worth it too keep George if we are still stuck with Melo. His contract has us by the short hairs with that stupid no trade clause. If I could see a clear path towards getting significantly better by adding pieces alongside George and Russ then I would say it’s no question we want to win every game right now.

As it stands, most responses have been along the lines of “let Presti work his magic”. He might be able to surprise us beyond imagination but I think about every scenario I can imagine to make this team a top team in the west. After about one or two of my imaginary moves I come back to the realization that we’re more likely to get lucky with ping pong balls than have George resign, Melo opt out, find a really good mle player, find a new head coach,trade Singler and Abrines for very good players, hope Ferguson gets better, Roberson comes back at 100%...that’s my point. If Presti can prove me wrong then I’ll gladly eat crow like I did with Oladipo.

I don't see Melo gone either way. And I know you and Kizz are OK with it but realistically Russ isn't getting traded. So its either PG stays and they see what they can do or leaves and its Russ, Melo and whatever and a middling team next year. Might as well blindly hope for the best IMO.

I’m ok with it but I know russ is only traded if he wants traded. Honestly, if George leaves then we are bad enough to probably miss the playoffs even with him so I can still hope for ping pong ball luck.
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Post#46 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:55 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
For whatever reason, Felton can't make a shot in that lineup tho: 31 % from 3, 45 TS%.

He's things only guy in that unit that can even kinda isolate or create so he's stuck with all the bailouts after a failed set and 'go get a bucket' plays.


I will not tolerate this disrespect towards

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Post#47 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:58 pm

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Knrstz wrote:If you’re wanting this team to gel and come together, I would be much more satisfied by the performance against the suns than tonight. Aldridge must have been high tonight. Some of his passes made Westbrook and George blush. If Steven Adams misses any time, this team is in big trouble.

If you’re wanting OKC to keep their draft pick, Adams being out may be the only things that saves the pick. Spurs, wolves and nuggets are all going for an end of season tank.

The Spurs aren't going for an end-of-season tank if they're announcing Kawhi Leonard is coming back sometime this week. I'm not sure why the T-Wolves or Nuggets would be going for an end-of-season tank, either.

Both the jazz and clippers have been playing well. The wolves and spurs have been garbage over the last ten games and are likely to fall out of the playoffs. Denver is just inconsistent and may have a worse coach than OKC. These teams aren’t actively tanking but they’ll prevent OKC from missing the playoffs even if we underperform.
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Post#48 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:00 pm

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I'm with Horne on this one. Over the last two, Westbrook has been solid defensively. Stuck with his man, gave decent enough effort. It was pretty obvious both games that Adams was more around our basket and not out on the perimeter as much covering for Russ.
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Post#49 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:02 pm

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Kizz Fastfists wrote:You do realize that your entire premise is based on OKC setting a record for the highest tax bill in NBA history, correct? Do you really see OKC's ownership willing to do that? Just keeping PG and not signing anyone over a vet minimum contract should be enough to set the tax bill record. You are talking about adding salary on top of that with trades AND the tax MLE. I don't see those as realistic options. If the team goes no further then last year I think it is more likely that ownership tells Presti to get out of the tax then to let him spend like a member of congress. I also think having the 3rd highest tax bill this year and being a first round exit is more likely to cost Presti his job then not. I will not be one bit surprised if ownership hits the reset button after this season with a new front office and instructs them to rebuild.

There's no way ownership allowed Presti to bring in Melo and his 30M salary, AFTER bringing in PG13, if they aren't willing to pay the tax associated with re-signing Paul George.

Right but the above scenario has OKC taking on even more expensive contracts in an attempt to gain assets/players to build the bench. Do you think ownership is willing to re-sign George and then take on guys like Faried and Harkless?
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Post#50 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:02 pm

Btw: This is the first time since January 15th to 17th that we've managed to keep opposing teams below 100 ORtG in consecutive games. Since Robes went down, we managed to keep opposing teams below 100 ORtG only twice before these last two: vs Washington and vs Memphis.
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Post#51 » by Dn4sty » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:37 pm

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Kizz Fastfists wrote:You do realize that your entire premise is based on OKC setting a record for the highest tax bill in NBA history, correct? Do you really see OKC's ownership willing to do that? Just keeping PG and not signing anyone over a vet minimum contract should be enough to set the tax bill record. You are talking about adding salary on top of that with trades AND the tax MLE. I don't see those as realistic options. If the team goes no further then last year I think it is more likely that ownership tells Presti to get out of the tax then to let him spend like a member of congress. I also think having the 3rd highest tax bill this year and being a first round exit is more likely to cost Presti his job then not. I will not be one bit surprised if ownership hits the reset button after this season with a new front office and instructs them to rebuild.

There's no way ownership allowed Presti to bring in Melo and his 30M salary, AFTER bringing in PG13, if they aren't willing to pay the tax associated with re-signing Paul George.

Right but the above scenario has OKC taking on even more expensive contracts in an attempt to gain assets/players to build the bench. Do you think ownership is willing to re-sign George and then take on guys like Faried and Harkless?


I actually do, but only because they have a generational talent like Russ. OKC may never have a Russ caliber player ever again. Further while the tax implications are beyond steep for this team, building this out during Russ prime buys more longterm earning potential for the team.

While not the exact same scenario, the Chicago Bulls still make money because of Michael Jordan. The Warriors will raise up a generation of young fans by their crazy run.

Plus you have the gambling money likely to come in and they can also sell a jersey sponsorship thing as well.
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Post#52 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:41 pm

Dn4sty wrote:While not the exact same scenario, the Chicago Bulls still make money because of Michael Jordan. The Warriors will raise up a generation of young fans by their crazy run.

Plus you have the gambling money likely to come in and they can also sell a jersey sponsorship thing as well.


Russ is not Michael Jordan. OKC is not winning a single championship with Russ much less six. A jersey sponsorship is nothing, $8-10M/yr, compared to the money you are wanting to spend by adding more players. Any gambling revenue will be part of the revenue sharing and will be factored into the cap it won't be significant extra money for the owners. How many fans did Philly add with Iverson? That is what OKC is. A team with a player that is fun as hell to watch, but not a team that has a chance to win. Fans who just follow Russ will abandon the team when he retires. I know a handful of Kobe fans that no longer care about the Lakers because he is gone. Keeping Russ doesn't get you any financial gains for when he is gone. Keeping him hurts your business' finances both short and long term.

Season tickets took a pretty good jump in price for next season. If they go into the repeater tax they will take another big jump the year after. At some point you start to price out your fan base and you stop selling tickets. I expect them to have a renewing issue this year because most fans won't want to pay the price for a team that is maxed out as a first round exit. Last year was the best time to sell Russ and start a rebuild from a business standpoint. Season tickets were sold out and they would have been able to get people excited about their young players with financial certainty in ticket sales.
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Post#53 » by Dn4sty » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:51 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:While not the exact same scenario, the Chicago Bulls still make money because of Michael Jordan. The Warriors will raise up a generation of young fans by their crazy run.

Plus you have the gambling money likely to come in and they can also sell a jersey sponsorship thing as well.


Russ is not Michael Jordan. OKC is not winning a single championship with Russ much less six. A jersey sponsorship is nothing, $8-10M/yr, compared to the money you are wanting to spend by adding more players. Any gambling revenue will be part of the revenue sharing and will be factored into the cap it won't be significant extra money for the owners. How many fans did Philly add with Iverson? That is what OKC is. A team with a player that is fun as hell to watch, but not a team that has a chance to win. Fans who just follow Russ will abandon the team when he retires. I know a handful of Kobe fans that no longer care about the Lakers because he is gone. Keeping Russ doesn't get you any financial gains for when he is gone. Keeping him hurts your business' finances both short and long term.

Season tickets took a pretty good jump in price for next season. If they go into the repeater tax they will take another big jump the year after. At some point you start to price out your fan base and you stop selling tickets. I expect them to have a renewing issue this year because most fans won't want to pay the price for a team that is maxed out as a first round exit. Last year was the best time to sell Russ and start a rebuild from a business standpoint. Season tickets were sold out and they would have been able to get people excited about their young players with financial certainty in ticket sales.


The Jersey sponsorship is a part of increased revenue. The gambling stuff raises the cap, which raises the luxury tax line, which decreases the luxury tax burden.

Investing in this team now pays dividends with the Oklahoma City, it’s fan base etc... Of course they aren’t the Jordan Bulls but the point I was making seems to have sailed over your head.
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Post#54 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:08 pm

That is because the points you were trying to make fail real world business. You clearly do not have a grasp of business revenue or the CBA. There are no dividends to be made by going deep into the luxury tax. It is an unnecessary business expense in the short-term with no pat off either short or long term. There will not be new long-term fans generated that will be buying seats in OKC. The Bulls do not gain revenue from people buying Jordan's shoes, clothing, etc. The Bulls do not gain revenue from people buying old Jordan jerseys or any other bulls merchandise. The merchandise sales go into the revenue sharing.

You can argue keeping Russ sells more seats short-term as a reason not to trade him. You can not make a business argument for going deep into the tax without expecting at least a WCF run, which isn't a reasonable expectation of this team. If you believe that OKC is going to have to rebuild at some point then there is no long-term business reason to keep Russ it is actually bad business to do so. If you believe attendance will dip during the start of a rebuild you are better off speeding it up by trading Russ for picks and young players to speed up the process and minimize the terrible years. You can not find a single business reason for OKC to be in the tax. You can not find a single business reason for OKC to keep Russ. You can only find emotional reasons of wanting not wanting to see the team lose more right now and instead of seeing them lose in the future.
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Post#55 » by Dn4sty » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:22 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:That is because the points you were trying to make fail real world business. You clearly do not have a grasp of business revenue or the CBA. There are no dividends to be made by going deep into the luxury tax. It is an unnecessary business expense in the short-term with no pat off either short or long term. There will not be new long-term fans generated that will be buying seats in OKC. The Bulls do not gain revenue from people buying Jordan's shoes, clothing, etc. The Bulls do not gain revenue from people buying old Jordan jerseys or any other bulls merchandise. The merchandise sales go into the revenue sharing.

You can argue keeping Russ sells more seats short-term as a reason not to trade him. You can not make a business argument for going deep into the tax without expecting at least a WCF run, which isn't a reasonable expectation of this team. If you believe that OKC is going to have to rebuild at some point then there is no long-term business reason to keep Russ it is actually bad business to do so. If you believe attendance will dip during the start of a rebuild you are better off speeding it up by trading Russ for picks and young players to speed up the process and minimize the terrible years. You can not find a single business reason for OKC to be in the tax. You can not find a single business reason for OKC to keep Russ. You can only find emotional reasons of wanting not wanting to see the team lose more right now and instead of seeing them lose in the future.


This will be the last reply I make to you on this forum ever again. You continue to make disparaging remarks about anyone who disagrees with you, and I along with many have grown incredibly tired of it.

You have assumed I mean jersey sales, shoes, etc.... are what I’m talking about when it comes to paying tax and future revenue, but I do not. You’ve assumed that I don’t understand the CBA or business revenue. Here’s a part of what I mean. Does a major company pay the same money for naming rights/sponsorship rights for the arena if the team moves on and begins a rebuild? Do the same corporate sponsors renegotiate a lower amount they pay (Devon, Loves, Homeland, Chesapeake, etc....) during a rebuild from this team? This is just one example of several.

You have clearly convinced yourself that the only correct position is your own. You’ve made your point abundantly clear about a million times.

I’ve tried to be reasonable with you and assume your knowledge of how all of the finances, trades, cap work. You can go back through our posts and see that this is the case.

Sadly I think we are much closer to the same position (a rebuild) but I along with the majority of people on this forum want to at least wait till after this summer. If George returns most of us are of the position that OKC pays the cost to be as competitive as possible during Russ prime years. We get that you don’t. You’ve made your point abundantly clear.

I think you are an incredibly knowledgeable poster, but I’m done engaging you in any fashion going forward. If your goal is to continue to post the same stuff over and over and talk down to people who disagree with you, then have at it.
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Post#56 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:46 am

Guys, please try to keep it civil. David's been busy lately but there's no reason to start acting like you're smarter than the room over anything here. We all can and do understand this.
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Post#57 » by getrichordie » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:19 am

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For whatever reason, Felton can't make a shot in that lineup tho: 31 % from 3, 45 TS%.

He's things only guy in that unit that can even kinda isolate or create so he's stuck with all the bailouts after a failed set and 'go get a bucket' plays.


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Grant is actually our 3rd leading scorer over the last 15 games (per 100).
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