The Terrance Ferguson Experiment Needs to End Immediately

[Old Man Game]

Seems like the fouling has affected all other aspects of his game. He can't defend without fouling. He gets down over it and then he can't hit a jumper to save his life.

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[sleestak33]

It's absolutely embarrassing that OKC has settled in on Ferguson as their starting SF. The guy is a scrub and shouldn't be the starter or playing heavy minutes on any NBA roster.

Here we are 3 years into his NBA career and there's been absolutely no growth to his game. NONE!

He hasn't added anything to his offensive game.

His ball handling is still average at best.

He gets lost and is out of position far too often on defense.

Can't fight over screens worth a damn.

Etc., etc., etc.

I think the thing that frustrates me the most is that he doesn't appear to even want to try to contribute on offense. He's content just hiding in the corner and only putting up 1 or 2 shots a game. Hell, it's gotten to the point to where you can legitimately make the argument that Andre Roberson offers more on offense. At least Roberson would slash to the rim for some cheapies from time to time throughout the game.

In case you hadn't noticed Sam Presti and this franchise simply refuse to admit when they're wrong on a player (Kendrick Perkins and Andre Roberson) and they'll continue to start Ferguson and try to develop him no matterhow many times he goes scoreless. This is the 3rd game this year he hasn't scored a point. Obviously you have no chance of winning games when your starting small forward gets 0 points and is a complete non offensive entity, especially in the current state of the NBA which puts a premium on shooting and scoring from your starting wing players. I'm right there with you though and frankly Ferguson should have been cut from the team over a year ago but they just aren't going to give up on him. Might as well get used to it.

[ThunderBolt]

I feel like the season has finally started now.

[1bigfan13]

In case you hadn't noticed Sam Presti and this franchise simply refuse to admit when they're wrong on a player (Kendrick Perkins and Andre Roberson) and they'll continue to start Ferguson and try to develop him no matterhow many times he goes scoreless.

At least when we were running guys like Perkins and Roberson out there we had 2 or 3 All-NBA players on the roster who could more than make up for what we weren't getting from the SG & C positions. But with this current roster, there is absolutely no excuse for continuing to play lineups that feature two players who offer little to nothing on the offensive side of the court. We don't have the top end talent to play those lineups. Everyone should be carrying their own weight.

Also, it irritates the hell out of me that every elite SG/SF OKC faces is doing nothing but resting on the defensive end. It would be nice if all our wing players actually made the opponent work on both ends of the court to at least tire them out some or even draw some fouls. Nope. Ferguson's worthless ass would rather hide in the corner for 25-30 minutes a night......and on the rare occasion where he actually touches the ball on offense, 99% of the time he'll immediately give the ball up like he's playing a game of hot potato.

Again, all I ask is for him to at least TRY. Just compete. That's literally all I ask. That's why I'd absolutely give Diallo Ferguson's minutes. Diallo at least looks for his shot and doesn't run and hide. He'd get better defensively with more reps.

[ThunderBolt]

I kind of wish Diallo would hide more and look for his jump shot less.

[1bigfan13]

I kind of wish Diallo would hide more and look for his jump shot less.

So you wish a guy shooting 48% from the field through 4 games would shoot less and hide more?

[ThunderBolt]

I kind of wish Diallo would hide more and look for his jump shot less.

So you wish a guy shooting 48% from the field through 4 games would shoot less and hide more?

Yes I do. You realize Andre roberson is a career 48% shooter, right?

[1bigfan13]

Diallo's 48% is a lot different than Roberson's though. Better ball handler. Better off the dribble. Better form on the jumper. Etc.

Whereas Roberson is completely dependant on others for his scoring.

[ThunderBolt]

Diallo's 48% is a lot different than Roberson's though. Better ball handler. Better off the dribble. Better form on the jumper. Etc.

Whereas Roberson is completely dependant on others for his scoring.

Even if we assume that’s true( which I don’t assume it), it still sucks. Personally, I disagree that Diallo’s form is better. He has a weird hitch in his shot and the fact that he’s such a bad free throw shooter makes it unlikely he makes significant improvement. Seventy percent of Diallo’s shots have been within 10 feet. He’s shooting 28% on catch and shoot attempts. Diallo is good finishing in transition and he handles contact well. He’s shooting 25% on wide open shots greater than 10 feet. He is shooting 16% from three. Diallo’s 48% isn’t good.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Diallo's 48% is a lot different than Roberson's though. Better ball handler. Better off the dribble. Better form on the jumper. Etc.

Whereas Roberson is completely dependant on others for his scoring.

Just from a shooting perspective they aren't different. Diallo currently has a .500 eFG% and .515 TS%. Roberson's career worst eFG% was .500 and his worst TS% was .510. If we look at his whole career Roberson was .528 eFG% and .529 TS%. I am not saying Diallo can't improve. Diallo, at 21, is still younger than Roberson was as a rookie. However, I wouldn't be trying to argue that Diallo is a better shooter at this point.

[Zagor]

Presti is so stubborn. The team needs big cleaning of the house in summer. Donovan should be first to go, then Roberson and Ferguson.
Adams also has one of worse contracts in league. But I guess, no one will take him.

Basically, only SGA and maybe Bazley are those for the future.

Bring the offensive mind coach. Who understands modern NBA. And stop drafting guys who are long, athletic and can't shoot.

[spearsy23]

Presti is so stubborn. The team needs big cleaning of the house in summer. Donovan should be first to go, then Roberson and Ferguson.
Adams also has one of worse contracts in league. But I guess, no one will take him.

Basically, only SGA and maybe Bazley are those for the future.

Bring the offensive mind coach. Who understands modern NBA. And stop drafting guys who are long, athletic and can't shoot.

Ferguson CAN shoot though. He's hitting 37.5% from three, the problem is getting him to take shots.

[1bigfan13]

Bring the offensive mind coach. Who understands modern NBA. And stop drafting guys who are long, athletic and can't shoot.

This organization has a fetish for those types of players. LOL

It almost feels as if they purposely go out of the way to avoid acquiring wing players who can actually shoot.

[hardenASG13]

In case you hadn't noticed Sam Presti and this franchise simply refuse to admit when they're wrong on a player (Kendrick Perkins and Andre Roberson) and they'll continue to start Ferguson and try to develop him no matterhow many times he goes scoreless.

At least when we were running guys like Perkins and Roberson out there we had 2 or 3 All-NBA players on the roster who could more than make up for what we weren't getting from the SG & C positions. But with this current roster, there is absolutely no excuse for continuing to play lineups that feature two players who offer little to nothing on the offensive side of the court. We don't have the top end talent to play those lineups. Everyone should be carrying their own weight.

Also, it irritates the hell out of me that every elite SG/SF OKC faces is doing nothing but resting on the defensive end. It would be nice if all our wing players actually made the opponent work on both ends of the court to at least tire them out some or even draw some fouls. Nope. Ferguson's worthless ass would rather hide in the corner for 25-30 minutes a night......and on the rare occasion where he actually touches the ball on offense, 99% of the time he'll immediately give the ball up like he's playing a game of hot potato.

Again, all I ask is for him to at least TRY. Just compete. That's literally all I ask. That's why I'd absolutely give Diallo Ferguson's minutes. Diallo at least looks for his shot and doesn't run and hide. He'd get better defensively with more reps.

I'd argue the opposite. Yes it was great when okc had their superstars. It was a travesty they surrounded them with bums like perk and robes.

Any decent center who could catch a ball and dunk it and some nba caliber offensive wings (like all other playoff teams have, that are threats and need to be guarded) around those guys would've led to titles. They wouldve been the warriors before the warriors, an offensive juggernaut nobody could stop. They sacrificed it bc perk was a "defensive presence " who could guard.....dwight howard or Andrew Bynum? And Roberson, although he had 0 offensive skill, showed to be a great advanced numbers guy playing next to stars, while significantly lowering their offensive ceiling and forcing them to play an ugly iso style offense ( hard to run a cohesive offense when the sg isn't closed out to on the catch, doesnt create any offense for himself or others, doesnt draw fouls out of fear of the ft line, and can exclusively shoot ugly unguarded set shots or open layups/ dunks). They wasted their stars with these guys, it's why Durant left.

Now they are at the very early stages of what will be a long rebuild, considering they cant sign free agents. They have 2 good young prospects, neither of which is an elite prospect, and the rest of them will be out of the league or on other teams in the next couple years. Who cares if they are rolling out the bums now. Hey maybe Adam's will become the star everyone told me he would be without Westbrook.......

[1bigfan13]

In case you hadn't noticed Sam Presti and this franchise simply refuse to admit when they're wrong on a player (Kendrick Perkins and Andre Roberson) and they'll continue to start Ferguson and try to develop him no matterhow many times he goes scoreless.

At least when we were running guys like Perkins and Roberson out there we had 2 or 3 All-NBA players on the roster who could more than make up for what we weren't getting from the SG & C positions. But with this current roster, there is absolutely no excuse for continuing to play lineups that feature two players who offer little to nothing on the offensive side of the court. We don't have the top end talent to play those lineups. Everyone should be carrying their own weight.

Also, it irritates the hell out of me that every elite SG/SF OKC faces is doing nothing but resting on the defensive end. It would be nice if all our wing players actually made the opponent work on both ends of the court to at least tire them out some or even draw some fouls. Nope. Ferguson's worthless ass would rather hide in the corner for 25-30 minutes a night......and on the rare occasion where he actually touches the ball on offense, 99% of the time he'll immediately give the ball up like he's playing a game of hot potato.

Again, all I ask is for him to at least TRY. Just compete. That's literally all I ask. That's why I'd absolutely give Diallo Ferguson's minutes. Diallo at least looks for his shot and doesn't run and hide. He'd get better defensively with more reps.

I'd argue the opposite. Yes it was great when okc had their superstars. It was a travesty they surrounded them with bums like perk and robes.

Any decent center who could catch a ball and dunk it and some nba caliber offensive wings (like all other playoff teams have, that are threats and need to be guarded) around those guys would've led to titles. They wouldve been the warriors before the warriors, an offensive juggernaut nobody could stop. They sacrificed it bc perk was a "defensive presence " who could guard.....dwight howard or Andrew Bynum? And Roberson, although he had 0 offensive skill, showed to be a great advanced numbers guy playing next to stars, while significantly lowering their offensive ceiling and forcing them to play an ugly iso style offense ( hard to run a cohesive offense when the sg isn't closed out to on the catch, doesnt create any offense for himself or others, doesnt draw fouls out of fear of the ft line, and can exclusively shoot ugly unguarded set shots or open layups/ dunks). They wasted their stars with these guys, it's why Durant left.

Now they are at the very early stages of what will be a long rebuild, considering they cant sign free agents. They have 2 good young prospects, neither of which is an elite prospect, and the rest of them will be out of the league or on other teams in the next couple years. Who cares if they are rolling out the bums now. Hey maybe Adam's will become the star everyone told me he would be without Westbrook.......

Actually you aren't arguing the opposite. We're on the same page. I think damn near every OKC fan with an ounce of basketball IQ knew we needed better options at center and SG than guys like Perkins and Roberson. I was just pointing out that when we did have the superstars, we at least had the top-end talent to make up for what we weren't getting from the center and SG positions.

I'm all in on the youth moment. But I'd prefer to use those minutes on players who are actually interested in competing on both ends of the floor. Wasting time on Ferguson just feels like more of the same that we got from Roberson....a player who's only interested in playing on one end of the floor.