Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET

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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#41 » by slick_watts » Wed Jan 1, 2020 3:57 pm

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Roberson, Burton, and Nader would work too. You wouldn’t do that trade? Iggy still has something left in the tank. And if Ferguson had to go, so be it.

Roberson/nader/burton doesn't send out enough salary. And even if it did, and Memphis thought that was enticing for since reason, no I wouldn't pay something like 30 million in salary plus tax for iguadola.


So throw in Muscalla and Ferguson. It still makes them better this year and gets them in the playoffs. A competitive first round out is far more valuable for this franchise this year than missing out on the playoffs altogether.


you need to include the opportunity cost of not extracting value from players like gallinari at the deadline. we are rebuilding. we want to win championships. if we can make the playoffs without leaving value on the table, fine. but if it means losing gallinari for nothing this summer, or not selling high on dennis schroder this deadline, then that would be a short sighted sacrifice.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#42 » by ThunderBolt » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:08 pm

Its not so much wanting to be an underdog but enjoying a less star-centric team and being able to find positives in things other than W/L. Even a player that I love like Luka can be a tough watch when it's a one man show shooting 16 threes in a game. Teams like last years nets are fun to watch even if their ceiling is lower.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#43 » by slick_watts » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:17 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Its not so much wanting to be an underdog but enjoying a less star-centric team and being able to find positives in things other than W/L. Even a player that I love like Luka can be a tough watch when it's a one man show shooting 16 threes in a game. Teams like last years nets are fun to watch even if their ceiling is lower.


i enjoy watching this year's thunder but i'm not interested in the full bill of goods which seems to include going all in for a playoff run.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#44 » by ThunderBolt » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:33 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:Its not so much wanting to be an underdog but enjoying a less star-centric team and being able to find positives in things other than W/L. Even a player that I love like Luka can be a tough watch when it's a one man show shooting 16 threes in a game. Teams like last years nets are fun to watch even if their ceiling is lower.


i enjoy watching this year's thunder but i'm not interested in the full bill of goods which seems to include going all in for a playoff run.

I agree. Its going to be interesting to see how it plays out. So many teams in the west have underachieved. Its going to be interesting to see who goes for the playoffs and who throws in the towel.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#45 » by Old Man Game » Wed Jan 1, 2020 5:07 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:Roberson/nader/burton doesn't send out enough salary. And even if it did, and Memphis thought that was enticing for since reason, no I wouldn't pay something like 30 million in salary plus tax for iguadola.


So throw in Muscalla and Ferguson. It still makes them better this year and gets them in the playoffs. A competitive first round out is far more valuable for this franchise this year than missing out on the playoffs altogether.


you need to include the opportunity cost of not extracting value from players like gallinari at the deadline. we are rebuilding. we want to win championships. if we can make the playoffs without leaving value on the table, fine. but if it means losing gallinari for nothing this summer, or not selling high on dennis schroder this deadline, then that would be a short sighted sacrifice.


Sort of depends on the asset on offer though. I'm not sure I'm interested in throwing Gallo into the ocean over yet another late 20s pick or two seconds or whatever.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#46 » by spearsy23 » Wed Jan 1, 2020 6:17 pm

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So throw in Muscalla and Ferguson. It still makes them better this year and gets them in the playoffs. A competitive first round out is far more valuable for this franchise this year than missing out on the playoffs altogether.


you need to include the opportunity cost of not extracting value from players like gallinari at the deadline. we are rebuilding. we want to win championships. if we can make the playoffs without leaving value on the table, fine. but if it means losing gallinari for nothing this summer, or not selling high on dennis schroder this deadline, then that would be a short sighted sacrifice.


Sort of depends on the asset on offer though. I'm not sure I'm interested in throwing Gallo into the ocean over yet another late 20s pick or two seconds or whatever.

That late first could represent the ability to go out and get a gallo when this team is competing for a championship.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#47 » by ThunderBolt » Wed Jan 1, 2020 6:37 pm

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you need to include the opportunity cost of not extracting value from players like gallinari at the deadline. we are rebuilding. we want to win championships. if we can make the playoffs without leaving value on the table, fine. but if it means losing gallinari for nothing this summer, or not selling high on dennis schroder this deadline, then that would be a short sighted sacrifice.


Sort of depends on the asset on offer though. I'm not sure I'm interested in throwing Gallo into the ocean over yet another late 20s pick or two seconds or whatever.

That late first could represent the ability to go out and get a gallo when this team is competing for a championship.

I would think the FRP would be preferred in a year besides this year. Three FRP's seems a bit much considering this draft isn't considered that great.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#48 » by spearsy23 » Wed Jan 1, 2020 6:46 pm

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Sort of depends on the asset on offer though. I'm not sure I'm interested in throwing Gallo into the ocean over yet another late 20s pick or two seconds or whatever.

That late first could represent the ability to go out and get a gallo when this team is competing for a championship.

I would think the FRP would be preferred in a year besides this year. Three FRP's seems a bit much considering this draft isn't considered that great.

That's what I'm saying. If it's a future pick, it could represent the ability to bring in a gallo type via trade down the road.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#49 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Jan 1, 2020 7:28 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Wow we got lucky. Adams doesn’t ever defend his man at the three point line. Who would of thought the game saving defensive play would come from Gallo?


Hey now Gallo has made some pretty timely defensive plays in his career. Usually either a steal or takes a charge. :)
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#50 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Jan 1, 2020 7:30 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:How good would this team be with a Joe ingles or even justice Winslow starting at sf


How good would this team be with Iggy? Unlike those other two you mentioned the Thunder have the assets to make it happen without disrupting their core. Go get him.


I do not know if you would like Iggy as much as you think. I hated when he was on the court late in game for Denver. You can almost play hack a Shaq on him.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#51 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Jan 1, 2020 7:31 pm

Almost sounds like we have a some more people getting on the playoffs bandwagon :)
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#52 » by Atomic Punk » Wed Jan 1, 2020 7:34 pm

slick_watts wrote:
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spearsy23 wrote:Roberson/nader/burton doesn't send out enough salary. And even if it did, and Memphis thought that was enticing for since reason, no I wouldn't pay something like 30 million in salary plus tax for iguadola.


So throw in Muscalla and Ferguson. It still makes them better this year and gets them in the playoffs. A competitive first round out is far more valuable for this franchise this year than missing out on the playoffs altogether.


you need to include the opportunity cost of not extracting value from players like gallinari at the deadline. we are rebuilding. we want to win championships. if we can make the playoffs without leaving value on the table, fine. but if it means losing gallinari for nothing this summer, or not selling high on dennis schroder this deadline, then that would be a short sighted sacrifice.


I don’t disagree with any of that and to be honest I was on board with the FO completely nuking this team and making a mad dash for the bottom. I honestly think that was the plan but when they couldn’t find a taker for CP I think they decided to see what this group could do. So now I think the team is considering the opportunity cost of NOT making a playoff run this year (keeping the fan base engaged and the financial impact of a few home playoff games). The team is in a bit of a weird place right now, if they were in a bigger market I think they could afford to hold the fire sale right now and accumulate more future assets but unless someone blows them away with offers for their core, I honestly think they will try and add to it for one more playoff push.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#53 » by Atomic Punk » Wed Jan 1, 2020 7:48 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:Almost sounds like we have a some more people getting on the playoffs bandwagon :)


I am just enjoying watching a team that is entertaining, competitive, and improving. I also enjoy watching players that seem to play for each other and follow the coaches game plan rather than pursue their own agendas.
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#54 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:07 pm

Atomic Punk wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:Almost sounds like we have a some more people getting on the playoffs bandwagon :)


I am just enjoying watching a team that is entertaining, competitive, and improving. I also enjoy watching players that seem to play for each other and follow the coaches game plan rather than pursue their own agendas.


CP3 looks much more relaxed than I have seen him in a long time. He seems to be enjoying this team. They had a tough start but now look pretty solid. Nothing wrong with enjoying this team! :)
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Re: Game 33: Dallas Mavericks (21-11) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (17-15) - 8:00 PM ET 

Post#55 » by Old Man Game » Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:33 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
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spearsy23 wrote:That late first could represent the ability to go out and get a gallo when this team is competing for a championship.

I would think the FRP would be preferred in a year besides this year. Three FRP's seems a bit much considering this draft isn't considered that great.

That's what I'm saying. If it's a future pick, it could represent the ability to bring in a gallo type via trade down the road.


LIke I said before, depends on what it is, if it's a pick at some point in the future that fits this team's timeline of (hopeful) actual contention that'd be more intriguing than some late first (likely) pick in the next draft or two.

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