Oklahoma City Thunder Regular Season 2015-2016 Part 2

Post #101 » by **bondom34** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:36 am

KD35Brah wrote:Cam is going to **** on the D-League like Mitch did last year(this year too).

Checked BBR for D league stats last night, the team sucks, but Dakari Johnson is doing well, along w/ McGary. Huestis not so much.

Thabo Sefolosha · Post #102 » by **Thabo Sefolosha** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:09 am

http://dleague.nba.com/games/20151205/WESOKL/

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ziB9WYG4U[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoVOElsaN4[/youtube]

Marcus50 · Post #103 » by **Marcus50** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:51 am

Pillendreher wrote:You guys should give the latest Thunder Buddies podcast a listen to. They cover all the problems right now and give a little input closer to the team.

interesting how much Anthony Slater has gone stone cold on Adams this year. thunder buddies podcast had a glimpse of it but his reporting also gives you a picture where even in the games Adams has played particularly well he rarely rates a comment from Slater.

Marcus50 · Post #104 » by **Marcus50** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:54 am

Pillendreher wrote:You guys should give the latest Thunder Buddies podcast a listen to. They cover all the problems right now and give a little input closer to the team.

interesting how much Anthony Slater has gone stone cold on Adams this year. thunder buddies podcast had a glimpse of it but his reporting also gives you a picture where even in the games Adams has played particularly well he rarely rates a comment from Slater.

Pillendreher · Post #105 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 9:42 am

Yeah, makes on wonder. Slaters has always been high on Adams...

NetsWorld · Post #106 » by **NetsWorld** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 2:07 pm

I'm not concerned about the 11-8 start. I think it just has to do with the fact they are adjusting to a new coach. The fact that they are top 3 thus far in the West is fine at this point in the season . They will adjust and make a run at some point.

Pillendreher · Post #107 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 4:02 pm

Whilet hat may be true, I can't help but see issues that were there even before Donovan. We can't have Russell taking 5 3s a game, Ibaka becoming just a Midrange-Jumpshooter and losing to the EC despite leading in almost every game in the 4th quarter.

Cuban_Linx · Post #108 » by **Cuban_Linx** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 4:55 pm

Yeah this team is obviously not as bad as the record suggests and will be way better in the playoffs when we can just play Russ and KD 40 minutes and out-awesome opponents.The disappointing thing is just that it looks like we're gonna do that until we run into an actual team that confronts us with our stupid coach and clueless supporting cast again and exposes the fact the team hasn't gotten smarter at all in 4 years. Its actually insane. The team's BBIQ has actually gone backwards over the last couple of years. The starting 5 is still steady, but having a bench led by Waiters and Kanter is hilarious if you're a contender.

Pillendreher · Post #109 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 6:59 pm

Yeah, I hear ya. These are things that have hurt this team for several years now and they still haven't been adressed. We have the talent to be the best team in the league, yet we still make the same stupid mistakes over and over again. We still haven't figured out how to run the offense smart and efficiently (and by that I mean an other way than just give Russ or KD the ball; I know our ORtG and TS% is superb). We still have our best players doing (seemlingly) whatever the hell they want and noone comes out and holds them accountable (that's what Mayberry's talking about). We need our two Superstars to play defense like veterans, we need them to play smart (stop it with those pullup 3s!) and we need them to take their teammates to another level. We just can't have this **** anymore after so many years.

We have all the talent in the world to pull it off, yet we haven't even gotten close to realizing our potential so far.

KD35Brah · Post #110 » by **KD35Brah** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 9:24 pm

bondom34 wrote:
KD35Brah wrote:Cam is going to **** on the D-League like Mitch did last year(this year too).

Checked BBR for D league stats last night, the team sucks, but Dakari Johnson is doing well, along w/ McGary. Huestis not so much.

Pretty much.

Full Highlights from Cam.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utk7RnvQf98[/youtube]

Started 1-4, then 7-14 the rest of the way.

Pillendreher · Post #111 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 9:30 pm

Another thing that really pisses me off so far has been Donovan's lineup choices. The starting 5 works quite well (+8.6; great defensively, good offensively) with Adams and Roberson bringing defense to Westbrook-Ibaka-Durant while hurting the offense a little bit (going from great to good).
But the bench lineup clearly doesn't work. For almost 17 minutes each game, neither Durant nor Westbrook is on the floor. That's just too damn much with how the bench has been struggling. Brooks always staggered rotations and had either one of them out there with the 2nd unit. Just look at Kanter - him being paired with Russ or Durant yields NetRtgs of +18.9 and +24.9. Him and Collison? +0.6. Him and Augustin? -4.2.
Or look at Morrow - get him out there with Westbrook and it's +16.5. Pair him with Augustin and it's -12.0.
Kanter-Morrow-Augustin is -8.0. Kanter-Morrow-Westbrook is +19.9.

I think we really need to take a look at Augustin and Waiters. The can't run the 2nd unit and it's been costing us games constantly. And Collison hasn't been great either - pair him with Waiters and Augustin and the lineup's a clear negative (-6.3). Get Ibaka in there instead of Collison and you're at +16. That's a +22 turnaround. While Ibaka has been bad so far, I think it clearly helps that he's more agile than Collison and that he's able to knock down shots.

McGary and Payne deserve a chance by now. Even if it's just for a few minutes per game, but Donovan needs to fix the bench. It's useless to keep playing it while hoping that something gives and it improves miraculously.

Cuban_Linx · Post #112 » by **Cuban_Linx** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 9:30 pm

Exactly. This team keeps showing flashes, but we're nowhere near realizing their full potential. This team could be insane if Russ and KD wouldn't have to do everything on offense and focus on D a little. Russ played some great defensive games this season and KD had a little stretch where he really put his length to good use and locked dudes down. We need that to become more regular.

KD35Brah · Post #113 » by **KD35Brah** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 9:41 pm

The defensive Issues has more to do with these guys not knowing how and when to extend for help. Or when to push/slowdown a cutter so our players can catch up to him.

Adams pointed this out 2 weeks ago. The problems are still there.

Also simply knowing who you are playing against can change your whole defense, if you are guarding terrible shooters then there is no reason for you to be constantly going over screens.

Everyone on this team still seems to jump at every single pumpfake.

We don't close off lanes and we don't trap anyone. Donovan was a great defensive coach at UF, i really think he is giving way too much power to Monty Williams to organize our defense(which he admitted to 2 weeks ago).

Pillendreher · Post #114 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 9:53 pm

Cuban_Linx wrote:Exactly. This team keeps showing flashes, but we're nowhere near realizing their full potential. This team could be insane if Russ and KD wouldn't have to do everything on offense and focus on D a little. Russ played some great defensive games this season and KD had a little stretch where he really put his length to good use and locked dudes down. We need that to become more regular.

Exactly. This is what I mean by being held accountable. They've been in the league long enough to know that they have to do that regularly and not just for a few minutes once in a blue moon.

KD35Brah wrote:The defensive Issues have more to do with these guys not knowing how and when to extend for help. Or when to push/slowdown a cutter so our players can catch up to him.

Adams pointed this out 2 weeks ago. These problems are there.

Also simply knowing who you are playing against can change your whole defense, if you are guarding terrible shooters then there is no reason for you to constantly going over screens.

Everyone on this team still seems to jump at every single pumpfake.

We don't close off lanes and we don't trap anyone. Donovan was a great defensive coach at UF, i really think he is giving way too much power to Monty Williams to organize our defense(which he admitted to 2 weeks ago).

Great observations. I felt like once the first man is beat, we break down and don't help in a smart way.

Thabo Sefolosha · Post #115 » by **Thabo Sefolosha** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 10:59 pm

I see us winning against the Kings, Hawks, Jazz (twice), Blazers, Lakers (twice), Bulls, and Nuggets. The Grizzlies, Cavaliers, and Clippers are the games I see us losing unless we get our act back together we could probably pull out of those games with a win in one of them.

KD35Brah · Post #116 » by **KD35Brah** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 12:19 am

These guys really don't know they are not supposed to fouls every chance they get....

NaturalThunder · Post #117 » by **NaturalThunder** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 12:19 am

Got up 11-2, had a Kings team on the second night of a back-to-back on the ropes early, and lazy defensive rebounding and missed chipppies on offense leads to a Kings 9-2 run to make it a 13-11 game.

NaturalThunder · Post #118 » by **NaturalThunder** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 12:21 am

And at this rate, with everything we do being deemed a foul in the eyes of the refs, our entire team is going to be in foul trouble by halftime.

KD35Brah · Post #119 » by **KD35Brah** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 12:22 am

This defense is completely pathetic.

They are in the penalty already over atleast 3 unnecessary lazy fouls.....

KD35Brah · Post #120 » by **KD35Brah** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 12:26 am

how the **** is that a foul on Adams?