Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[getrichordie]

Bullock would be a decent pick up for the bench. Depends on Detroit’s asking price.

But it would allow a second unit of

Schroder/Abrines/Bullock/George/Noel







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[retrobro90]

Grant for Jamychal Green, Omri Casspi, SRP

Grizz consolidate their overwhelming cluster of guys who play at PF and bring in a locked in through his prime switchable big for essentially a SRP. Gives them a little more off the bounce dynamism and some needed transition athleticism. He can play next to Gasol or Jackson or Anderson who all stretch the floor. OKC gets expirings that alleviate some future flexibility in two guys that can shoot a little better from the forward spot and a second round pick for their depleted war chest.

[Mattv]

What do yall think about this?
Okc Raptors.
Raptors get Steven Adams and tlc
Okc gets Cj miles Jonas Valanciunas and  OG Anunoby.

[Pillendreher]

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[Dn4sty]

Here’s a stab at a trade idea

Wizards get Grant, Vucevic, TLC, and Thunder 2019 2nd.
OKC gets Morris, Satoransky, and Fournier
Magic get Schroder, Manhimi, Wizards 2019 1st (with protections)

OKC takes on more salary this year but gets out of Grant’s contract in the following years. Adding 3 shooters (Morris, Fournier, and Sato) is huge. Satoransky is more than capable of running backup point guard.

Magic use Schroder to develop their bigs and takes a bad contract to acquire another 1st round pick. Ferguson gives them a young wing to possibly develop.

The Wizards cut 5.7 million from tax and get a far better Center in Vuc.

[Mattv]

I like it wish we could pry simmons away from Orlando somehow in that trade.

[Dn4sty]

I like it wish we could pry simmons away from Orlando somehow in that trade.

OKC needs shooters in the worst way and while I like Simmons, he is a career 32.4% 3 point shooter.

[Bergmaniac]

Jonathon Simmons is just about the last player you need, you already have way too many low basketball IQ players who are black holes on offense and can't shoot well.

[Pillendreher]

Here’s a stab at a trade idea

Wizards get Grant, Vucevic, TLC, and Thunder 2019 2nd.
OKC gets Morris, Satoransky, and Fournier
Magic get Schroder, Manhimi, Wizards 2019 1st (with protections)

OKC takes on more salary this year but gets out of Grant’s contract in the following years. Adding 3 shooters (Morris, Fournier, and Sato) is huge. Satoransky is more than capable of running backup point guard.

Magic use Schroder to develop their bigs and takes a bad contract to acquire another 1st round pick. Ferguson gives them a young wing to possibly develop.

The Wizards cut 5.7 million from tax and get a far better Center in Vuc.

This is an interesting proposal. I think I've gone from "No way!" to "Yes, I could see it" and back at least 5 times. I think it's intriguing for all teams, but I doubt that the Magic take both Schröder and Mahinmi. They already have Biyombo on their payroll.

[slick_watts]

Here’s a stab at a trade idea

Wizards get Grant, Vucevic, TLC, and Thunder 2019 2nd.
OKC gets Morris, Satoransky, and Fournier
Magic get Schroder, Manhimi, Wizards 2019 1st (with protections)

OKC takes on more salary this year but gets out of Grant’s contract in the following years. Adding 3 shooters (Morris, Fournier, and Sato) is huge. Satoransky is more than capable of running backup point guard.

Magic use Schroder to develop their bigs and takes a bad contract to acquire another 1st round pick. Ferguson gives them a young wing to possibly develop.

The Wizards cut 5.7 million from tax and get a far better Center in Vuc.

This is an interesting proposal. I think I've gone from "No way!" to "Yes, I could see it" and back at least 5 times. I think it's intriguing for all teams, but I doubt that the Magic take both Schröder and Mahinmi. They already have Biyombo on their payroll.

yeah, i don't think orlando would take on both contracts here without more compensation. schroder is more or less dead money right now, and mahimni is close to that also. perhaps if schroder plays really well leading up to the break this is more palatable for them but right now, i don't think wizards 1st is enough to take on 30 mil.

this feels acceptable for washington, and is obviously a home run for okc assuming the ~15 mil tax hit is acceptable to ownership.

[CROklahoma]

Trade TLC and some 2rounder for Hezonja.
We'll buy those with cash again if we see something interesting like Diallo this year.

[AirInTheLoop]

Here’s a stab at a trade idea

Wizards get Grant, Vucevic, TLC, and Thunder 2019 2nd.
OKC gets Morris, Satoransky, and Fournier
Magic get Schroder, Manhimi, Wizards 2019 1st (with protections)

OKC takes on more salary this year but gets out of Grant’s contract in the following years. Adding 3 shooters (Morris, Fournier, and Sato) is huge. Satoransky is more than capable of running backup point guard.

Magic use Schroder to develop their bigs and takes a bad contract to acquire another 1st round pick. Ferguson gives them a young wing to possibly develop.

The Wizards cut 5.7 million from tax and get a far better Center in Vuc.

This is a really bad trade for us and erases what we've been building.
Grant gives us the second coming of Ibaka. This guy is becoming an A defender and continues to improve his stretch game.
And Dennis, im not sure if you watched last night's game, has provided us with a secondary PG, who is able to score and effectively run an offense to the degree that we'd expect from a starter in the NBA. This is vital to our success. Watching our second and third units run an actual offense last night, was incredible, it was something i had not seen since Derek Fisher. This is far more valuable than anything Morris, Fournier or Satorasky will provide for us.

If people are that hard up for a shooter, than we need to do something like offer up TLC or Ferguson plus a second, for like Korver. No one should be suggesting to gut what we just built and what we will need to contend against the Warriors, all to add two solid role players.

[oreojenkins]

PSA: Please stop comparing Grant to Ibaka. It's very disrespectful.

[AirInTheLoop]

PSA: Please stop comparing Grant to Ibaka. It's very disrespectful.

Why?
The guy looks very much like a young Ibaka before Ibaka became Iblocka, except a bit better at post fundamentals.
Is this some kind of absurd comparison?
Grant actually seems to have his post defense a level Ibaka never really had.... he was an amazing shot blocker at one point but that is different from post defense. And of course the guy does come from a family of very good NBA defenders. Im not sure why anyone would take issue with the comparison.

[Dn4sty]

Here’s a stab at a trade idea

Wizards get Grant, Vucevic, TLC, and Thunder 2019 2nd.
OKC gets Morris, Satoransky, and Fournier
Magic get Schroder, Manhimi, Wizards 2019 1st (with protections)

OKC takes on more salary this year but gets out of Grant’s contract in the following years. Adding 3 shooters (Morris, Fournier, and Sato) is huge. Satoransky is more than capable of running backup point guard.

Magic use Schroder to develop their bigs and takes a bad contract to acquire another 1st round pick. Ferguson gives them a young wing to possibly develop.

The Wizards cut 5.7 million from tax and get a far better Center in Vuc.

This is an interesting proposal. I think I've gone from "No way!" to "Yes, I could see it" and back at least 5 times. I think it's intriguing for all teams, but I doubt that the Magic take both Schröder and Mahinmi. They already have Biyombo on their payroll.

Biyombo is in Charlotte (mozgov is in Orlando) but your point is still the same.

I think the Wizards and Thunder jump at the offer, but Magic would likely require more. I don’t want to include Diallo, who is probably what the Magic want to make the deal happen.

Maybe OKC could alter protections on the 1st they owe Magic (top 10? Top 8?)

[AirInTheLoop]

I think the Wizards and Thunder jump at the offer, but Magic would likely require more. I don’t want to include Diallo, who is probably what the Magic want to make the deal happen. )

Why do you think Presti would like this deal?
He went out of his way to get Dennis and has always tried to put a back up PG in place who can run the second unit, because he understands the value of having a fully functioning bench in the West.

I think if someone said we needed to address a shooting issue and then presented this, he would laugh at it and fire the person suggesting it as it very much ignores what he has been building.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Im not sure why anyone would take issue with the comparison.

Probably because by the time Ibaka was 24, the same age as Grant, he already had multiple seasons of 3+ blocks a game and was a 35% 3pt shooter. Grant can't block anywhere close to Ibaka, can't shoot like Ibaka, can't rebound like Ibaka and basically is nothing at all like Ibaka unless you are going to say they are both black.

Rebounding rate for Ibaka, through his age 23 season, was 15.&%. Grant's was 9% and is 8.4% this year. Grant's career eFG% is 49% while Ibaka;s was 57.7% at the same point in their careers. Grant is 30% from 3 for his career and 28% this year while Ibaka through age 23 was 35%.

This is Grant's FIFTH season in the NBA we know who and what he is. He can't shoot. He is a decent help defender. He is long and athletic. He has issues defending bigger players in the paint and faster players on the perimeter. He is a small ball center on a team that has two real centers that can play the position against small ball lineups in Adams and Noel. Grant offers nothing to OKC other than length and athleticism that isn't being properly used because of the poor roster construction. Grant has no role on this team and should be parked on the bench and only played when Adams or Noel are missing a game. To suggest that Grant is like Ibaka is to ignore that Ibaka was one of the best shot blockers in the NBA for a while and is a very good volume 3 point shooter. If Ibaka were and average 3&D big man then Grant is lacking both the 3 and the D. If Grant were to develop a mid-range game he could try to be Taj Gibson, but Taj Gibson is an old school player that really doesn't fit the modern NBA. I can't think of any era of the NBA I have seen that Grant would fit in as a good player. He couldn't have banged with the bigs of the 80s and 90s, but he shoots like they did. He doesn't shoot enough to be a big in the modern NBA. Maybe he could've made it in the 60s or 70s, but I wasn't around then.

[Dn4sty]

I think the Wizards and Thunder jump at the offer, but Magic would likely require more. I don’t want to include Diallo, who is probably what the Magic want to make the deal happen. )

Why do you think Presti would like this deal?
He went out of his way to get Dennis and has always tried to put a back up PG in place who can run the second unit, because he understands the value of having a fully functioning bench in the West.

I think if someone said we needed to address a shooting issue and then presented this, he would laugh at it and fire the person suggesting it as it very much ignores what he has been building.

Satoransky is more than capable of running backup point guard. In fact I think he’s perfect in that role.

Fournier is a better version of Abrines, and Morris is far better than either Grant or 2Pat.

As far as your “going out of his way to get Dennis”....

There wasn’t any real other options out there for Sam to move on. It appeared that is was Schroeder or buyout Melo. I say all of this as someone who likes what Dennis can bring to this team.

But I don’t think your recollection of what took place leading up to Schroder deal is reality in anyway.

[Dn4sty]

Im not sure why anyone would take issue with the comparison.

Probably because by the time Ibaka was 24, the same age as Grant, he already had multiple seasons of 3+ blocks a game and was a 35% 3pt shooter. Grant can't block anywhere close to Ibaka, can't shoot like Ibaka, can't rebound like Ibaka and basically is nothing at all like Ibaka unless you are going to say they are both black.

Rebounding rate for Ibaka, through his age 23 season, was 15.&%. Grant's was 9% and is 8.4% this year. Grant's career eFG% is 49% while Ibaka;s was 57.7% at the same point in their careers. Grant is 30% from 3 for his career and 28% this year while Ibaka through age 23 was 35%.

This is Grant's FIFTH season in the NBA we know who and what he is. He can't shoot. He is a decent help defender. He is long and athletic. He has issues defending bigger players in the paint and faster players on the perimeter. He is a small ball center on a team that has two real centers that can play the position against small ball lineups in Adams and Noel. Grant offers nothing to OKC other than length and athleticism that isn't being properly used because of the poor roster construction. Grant has no role on this team and should be parked on the bench and only played when Adams or Noel are missing a game. To suggest that Grant is like Ibaka is to ignore that Ibaka was one of the best shot blockers in the NBA for a while and is a very good volume 3 point shooter. If Ibaka were and average 3&D big man then Grant is lacking both the 3 and the D. If Grant were to develop a mid-range game he could try to be Taj Gibson, but Taj Gibson is an old school player that really doesn't fit the modern NBA. I can't think of any era of the NBA I have seen that Grant would fit in as a good player. He couldn't have banged with the bigs of the 80s and 90s, but he shoots like they did. He doesn't shoot enough to be a big in the modern NBA. Maybe he could've made it in the 60s or 70s, but I wasn't around then.

Let’s be fair, Ibaka was like 25 when he was drafted

[AirInTheLoop]

Im not sure why anyone would take issue with the comparison.

Probably because by the time Ibaka was 24, the same age as Grant, he already had multiple seasons of 3+ blocks a game and was a 35% 3pt shooter. Grant can't block anywhere close to Ibaka, can't shoot like Ibaka, can't rebound like Ibaka and basically is nothing at all like Ibaka unless you are going to say they are both black.

This is Grant's FIFTH season in the NBA we know who and what he is. He can't shoot. He is a decent help defender. He is long and athletic. He has issues defending bigger players in the paint and faster players on the perimeter. He is a small ball center on a team that has two real centers that can play the position against small ball lineups in Adams and Noel. Grant offers nothing to OKC other than length and athleticism that isn't being properly used because of the poor roster construction. Grant has no role on this team and should be parked on the bench and only played when Adams or Noel are missing a game. To suggest that Grant is like Ibaka is to ignore that Ibaka was one of the best shot blockers in the NBA for a while and is a very good volume 3 point shooter. If Ibaka were and average 3&D big man then Grant is lacking both the 3 and the D. If Grant were to develop a mid-range game he could try to be Taj Gibson, but Taj Gibson is an old school player that really doesn't fit the modern NBA. I can't think of any era of the NBA I have seen that Grant would fit in as a good player. He couldn't have banged with the bigs of the 80s and 90s, but he shoots like they did. He doesn't shoot enough to be a big in the modern NBA. Maybe he could've made it in the 60s or 70s, but I wasn't around then.

I don't know what age has to do with it, and selective numbers comparisons are not something i like to do. But if one person is 21 and the other 27, bringing up their ages does not alter the fact that they are affecting the game in similar ways.

But the point is Ibaka affected an offense in the post because they feared his blocking abilities while his actual post defense was pretty bad or... average, Grant is doing it with his good post defense and some what his blocking abilities. Things might be reversed for the two but the results are the same. Altering offenses through defense.
I think you're focusing way too much on Ibaka and shot blocking, instead of understanding and evaluating the actual value there, what its affect was and how this can be done in other ways.
Like the comparison or not, its just a simple comparison to say that both of their values are defense and they are similar enough.
Even offensively they are fairly similar, that is before Ibaka became an almost solely stretch guy. Everything you could say about Grant right now, you could have said about Ibaka before he made that weird Bosh-like transition when he decided he was only going to sit at the 3 point line all day.