10/30 | G6: LA Clippers at Oklahoma City Thunder - 7PM CST

[bondom34]

there are no conflicting statements. our disagreement on donovan isn't about whether he is a good coach or not-- it's about whether replacing him will have any effect considering the other factors at play re: team performance and culture. and if you truly believe he's the worst coach in the league, i guess we disagree there as well.

finding an old post of mine where i criticized donovan for his rotations doesn't change any of that. his rotations suck now. that's not even the point.

everyone knows i like to stir up the pot, but you have no idea when i'm actually doing that or not, you're just guessing and attributing and it's not working. it's better to take it at face value if you are going to acknowledge it at all tbh.

if donovan is going to be blamed for the flat 1H then i think it's reasonable to credit him for the focused 2H. you disagree?

you're just delaying the inevitable. you're going to answer these questions eventually and our debate will continue. i have to go to sleep now, though.

I've been actively ignoring you. Just wanted to point that out so GROD didn't go on a rant.

[RalphSampsonJr]

LeTs TrAdE AdAmS cUz NoEl PlAyEd WeLl AgAiNsT tHe SuNs

[slick_watts]

you're just delaying the inevitable. you're going to answer these questions eventually and our debate will continue. i have to go to sleep now, though.

I've been actively ignoring you. Just wanted to point that out so GROD didn't go on a rant.

he's entitled to his opinions and his rants just like you or i are.

lets all not be so elitist in our viewpoints that we refuse to even acknowledge other people who don't share them, or 'actively ignore' them, in our case, or outright attempt to stifle them as you claim you are doing with getrichordie.

i think it's funny that when i returned here and had a lot of arguments with hardenASG13 and sleestak33 re: roberson nobody had a problem with that...

[bondom34]

you're just delaying the inevitable. you're going to answer these questions eventually and our debate will continue. i have to go to sleep now, though.

I've been actively ignoring you. Just wanted to point that out so GROD didn't go on a rant.

he's entitled to his opinions and his rants just like you or i are.

lets all not be so elitist in our viewpoints that we refuse to even acknowledge other people who don't share them, or 'actively ignore' them, in our case, or outright attempt to stifle them as you claim you are doing with getrichordie.

i think it's funny that when i returned here and had a lot of arguments with hardenASG13 and sleestak33 re: roberson nobody had a problem with that...

Because you're the worst kind of troll. Just logical enough when you want to be for people to assume you're always serious.

[Old Man Game]

Justin isn't a troll for the record. There's a sort of dry wit to his persona online that trolls don't posses.

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[Pillendreher]

DON'T TOUCH THEM DON'T TALK TO THEM YOU MIGHT JUST WAKE THEM UP

THIS ONE GOES OUT TO MY MAN BRIAN

[Pillendreher]

I'm so glad we blasted these ****. A team bunch of role players with guys randomly making bs shots and then getting bs calls for 3 quarters. We played 5vs8 and still beat them. Suck it, LA!

[hardenASG13]

LeTs TrAdE AdAmS cUz NoEl PlAyEd WeLl AgAiNsT tHe SuNs

You missed the whole point on that, bud. The point wasn't that adams was bad, it was that if Noel can replace close to what adams can give , itd be worth moving him for playable wings if possible ( if ours cant contribute any shooting) However, if the whole roster can play like they did last night consistently (I kind of think they can, they are much better than last year), than of course no trades need to be made, and we'll see the warriors in the WCF.

[hardenASG13]

you're just delaying the inevitable. you're going to answer these questions eventually and our debate will continue. i have to go to sleep now, though.

I've been actively ignoring you. Just wanted to point that out so GROD didn't go on a rant.

he's entitled to his opinions and his rants just like you or i are.

lets all not be so elitist in our viewpoints that we refuse to even acknowledge other people who don't share them, or 'actively ignore' them, in our case, or outright attempt to stifle them as you claim you are doing with getrichordie.

i think it's funny that when i returned here and had a lot of arguments with hardenASG13 and sleestak33 re: roberson nobody had a problem with that...

Exactly, they love to jump on minority views that they know the clique will back them on. They can't take it tho, or in some cases even discuss it. They ignore the convos instead, which is just laughable.

[Pillendreher]

Something I don't like at all is the way they're using Paul George so far. He's getting way too much action in the midrange and not enough catch and shoot 3s. Last night it took them until the 4 minute mark in the 2nd quarter to get George his first spot up 3. That's unacceptable. Most of value lies in the long distance shooting. That's how you have to use him. Stop curling him into contested 16 footers.

Btw: Save for that horrible Boston game, Russ' shot selection has been excellent:



So far 52 % of his shots have been directly at the rim. 2nd lowest career freq% from 16 ft out in the 2pt range. Lowest career freq in 3-10 ft. (that's his post up fadeaway) and 3rd lowes from 10 to 16 ft.

Hell, if you look at all the games but the Boston one, he's taking 2/3 of his shots directly at the rim. And he's been making 70 % of them so far. That is the way to go for him. Maybe the new contact rules actually help him getting to the rim.

[slick_watts]

Something I don't like at all is the way they're using Paul George so far. He's getting way too much action in the midrange and not enough catch and shoot 3s. Last night it took them until the 4 minute mark in the 2nd quarter to get George his first spot up 3. That's unacceptable. Most of value lies in the long distance shooting. That's how you have to use him. Stop curling him into contested 16 footers.

he's just not good enough of a midrange shooter to justify the volume. he'll make a few like all players do given enough time but he's not that much more than 40% career on midrange jump shots yet we're using him in these pindown sets like he's kd. 16-17 he shot 46% from mid-range but below 40% every other year. and 33% last year!

but, hey. “That’s for y’all and the analytics teams and all that sh*t. I don’t really care as long as we win.", russell westbrook.

[sleestak33]

Just an incredible run in the 3rd qtr. that was about as good as anything I've seen since watching the Thunder. Really thought they were going to lose this one as the Clippers controlled the game easily up until OKC started getting it going. I still continue to be baffled seeing Ferguson in the starting lineup as he has absolutely no business playing much less starting and it's amazing they were able to overcome his 26 minutes of producing basically nothing (2 points and just a handful of decent defensive plays). He has no idea whatsoever how to get involved offensively and with the way the NBA is going with wing players and the amount of scoring needed from that position you just can't get away with a starting shooting guard that provides nothing on offense yet somehow Sam Presti seems to think that he can continue to get away with it. I don't see any other team out there starting a shooting guard that sucks balls on offense yet we've had it here for 5 years now and it just keeps going no matter how many pathetic games Roberson or Ferguson play. It's going to be just like Kyle Singler now with Ferguson. No matter what they see on the court they won't stop playing him.

[spearsy23]

Something I don't like at all is the way they're using Paul George so far. He's getting way too much action in the midrange and not enough catch and shoot 3s. Last night it took them until the 4 minute mark in the 2nd quarter to get George his first spot up 3. That's unacceptable. Most of value lies in the long distance shooting. That's how you have to use him. Stop curling him into contested 16 footers.

he's just not good enough of a midrange shooter to justify the volume. he'll make a few like all players do given enough time but he's not that much more than 40% career on midrange jump shots yet we're using him in these pindown sets like he's kd. 16-17 he shot 46% from mid-range but below 40% every other year. and 33% last year!

but, hey. “That’s for y’all and the analytics teams and all that sh*t. I don’t really care as long as we win.", russell westbrook.

Part of it is the sets of course, but it's not Donovan's fault he refuses to go to the rim and launches from 17 feet no matter how close the defender is.

[slick_watts]

Because you're the worst kind of troll. Just logical enough when you want to be for people to assume you're always serious.

very little i put out there isn't thought out or well reasoned. tbh i think your constant attempts at misconstruing, twisting, and otherwise demeaning my opinions on this board is more of a troll behavior than anything i might do, like call russell westbrook 'baron westbrook'. the horror!

i'll repeat my advice to you: stop searching for ways to denounce me as a troll simply because you do not agree with what i say.

[bondom34]

Because you're the worst kind of troll. Just logical enough when you want to be for people to assume you're always serious.

very little i put out there isn't thought out or well reasoned. tbh i think your constant attempts at misconstruing, twisting, and otherwise demeaning my opinions on this board is more of a troll behavior than anything i might do, like call russell westbrook 'baron westbrook'. the horror!

i'll repeat my advice to you: stop searching for ways to denounce me as a troll simply because you do not agree with what i say.

It's not because I disagree. It's because I know you Justin. And I know your real views. Most are totally logical, and some are in disconnect with your character here.

I've been actively ignoring you. Just wanted to point that out so GROD didn't go on a rant.

he's entitled to his opinions and his rants just like you or i are.

lets all not be so elitist in our viewpoints that we refuse to even acknowledge other people who don't share them, or 'actively ignore' them, in our case, or outright attempt to stifle them as you claim you are doing with getrichordie.

i think it's funny that when i returned here and had a lot of arguments with hardenASG13 and sleestak33 re: roberson nobody had a problem with that...

This is a little funny, because I was agreeing more with things you would say here.
Exactly, they love to jump on minority views that they know the clique will back them on. They can't take it tho, or in some cases even discuss it. They ignore the convos instead, which is just laughable.

[slick_watts]

It's not because I disagree. It's because I know you Justin. And I know your real views. Most are totally logical, and some are in disconnect with your character here.

it is because we disagree, because you do not know me, i've been on this site alone since 2004 and posting on the internet about basketball since 1998. why do you think you know me so well? we were on mpn together? now you're the appointed judge on which of my views are logical or not?

gimme a break. the major items we do disagree on, i can assure you are 100% genuine opinions. and it's ok that we disagree. it really is. if you want to ignore me, ignore me. but it's getting old when you say you're going to then you pop in randomly with a reply attacking my integrity. you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Bergmaniac]

Ferguson's defensive improvement since last season is quite remarkable, he was so bad at that end as a rookie on that end.

[bondom34]

It's not because I disagree. It's because I know you Justin. And I know your real views. Most are totally logical, and some are in disconnect with your character here.

it is because we disagree, because you do not know me, i've been on this site alone since 2004 and posting on the internet about basketball since 1998. why do you think you know me so well? we were on mpn together? now you're the appointed judge on which of my views are logical or not?

gimme a break. the major items we do disagree on, i can assure you are 100% genuine opinions. and it's ok that we disagree. it really is. if you want to ignore me, ignore me. but it's getting old when you say you're going to then you pop in randomly with a reply attacking my integrity. you can't have your cake and eat it too.

OK, I guess I don't know you. I'll ignore you elsewhere too from now on since I guess those views aren't really you and I don't know which person is which. See ya.

[ThunderBolt]

Ferguson's defensive improvement since last season is quite remarkable, he was so bad at that end as a rookie on that end.

I never doubted.

[Pillendreher]

Ferguson's defensive improvement since last season is quite remarkable, he was so bad at that end as a rookie on that end.