11/7 | G10: Oklahoma City Thunder at Cleveland Cavaliers - 6PM CST

[getrichordie]

Looks like we need Russ ASAP if we want to beat teams like the suns, mavs or Knicks.

Slow your roll, man. I think Billy just gave extended minutes to a few guys because he knows we have HOU tomorrow.


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[getrichordie]

Schroder rehabbing his trade value.

Also if that is the Felton we are going to get, then give Burton the backup PG minutes (or trade for Sato).

Am I the only one who knew he would? We shouldn’t be shocked. Schroder has been doing this since for a while.


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Nope. He's good but still overpaid, but maybe this team with Westbrook getting older and having knee issues needs that kind of overpaid back up PG.

15.5 million seems like the perfect price for Schroder. He’s skilled at getting to the rim and finding his mid-range game and plays defense better than a lot of starting point guards in the league. Moreover with the cap going up, there are a lot of teams who wouldn’t mind paying 15 mil a year to a Schroder.


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[Dadouv47]

Looks like we need Russ ASAP if we want to beat teams like the suns, mavs or Knicks.

Slow your roll, man. I think Billy just gave extended minutes to a few guys because he knows we have HOU tomorrow.


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I don't like Billy but I don't think he's that stupid. The most important was to win tonight (not to rest some guys before a game against Houston without Russ)

[Dadouv47]

Am I the only one who knew he would? We shouldn’t be shocked. Schroder has been doing this since for a while.


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Nope. He's good but still overpaid, but maybe this team with Westbrook getting older and having knee issues needs that kind of overpaid back up PG.

15.5 million seems like the perfect price for Schroder. He’s skilled at getting to the rim and finding his mid-range game and plays defense better than a lot of starting point guards in the league. Moreover with the cap going up, there are a lot of teams who wouldn’t mind paying 15 mil a year to a Schroder.


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That's not the kind of money any back up PG is making in the NBA and no other team wanted him. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy but he's overpaid because he's not a starter for 25+ teams in this league and it's a lot of money for a back up.
I still think he can bring a lot to this team though

[Thundershock88]

Nope. He's good but still overpaid, but maybe this team with Westbrook getting older and having knee issues needs that kind of overpaid back up PG.

15.5 million seems like the perfect price for Schroder. He’s skilled at getting to the rim and finding his mid-range game and plays defense better than a lot of starting point guards in the league. Moreover with the cap going up, there are a lot of teams who wouldn’t mind paying 15 mil a year to a Schroder.


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That's not the kind of money any back up PG is making in the NBA and no other team wanted him. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy but he's overpaid because he's not a starter for 25+ teams in this league and it's a lot of money for a back up.
I still think he can bring a lot to this team though

Other teams were concerned about his attitude and pending legal case. It doesn't have to do with his skill level. He's getting paid the perfect amount for a guy that can come off the bench, run the offense, and consistently drop 20 a night.

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[Thunder Up]

Dennis is no where close to overpaid with the situation the Thunder were in vs stretching and waiving Melo.. they were going to either pay $9m for nothing or 15m for a perfect system fit at back-up PG / 6th man

[Kizz Fastfists]

If the argument is the contract compared to market value and how it effects his trade value it is a TERRIBLE contract. If the argument is he's good for OKC and we don't care about the tax bill that comes with it then he is a tolerable contract for OKC. There is no value for OKC in the contract. Even if you are saying Schroder fits great as the backup PG, which I will agree with as he is basically Russ lite in every way, the contract is still more than you want to pay for that position. You would, ideally, like him to be around $9M like Roberson and Grant.

There is also the point that since OKC was going to be in the tax anyway there is no opportunity cost since they will have the same tax payer MLE either way. However, that is assuming the owners are just going to spend and spend without telling Presti to get out of the repeater tax in the near future. OKC has the highest payroll in the NBA. They are not a contender. That by definition is a failure in spending.

[getrichordie]

If the argument is the contract compared to market value and how it effects his trade value it is a TERRIBLE contract. If the argument is he's good for OKC and we don't care about the tax bill that comes with it then he is a tolerable contract for OKC. There is no value for OKC in the contract. Even if you are saying Schroder fits great as the backup PG, which I will agree with as he is basically Russ lite in every way, the contract is still more than you want to pay for that position. You would, ideally, like him to be around $9M like Roberson and Grant.

There is also the point that since OKC was going to be in the tax anyway there is no opportunity cost since they will have the same tax payer MLE either way. However, that is assuming the owners are just going to spend and spend without telling Presti to get out of the repeater tax in the near future. OKC has the highest payroll in the NBA. They are not a contender. That by definition is a failure in spending.

I would wait to see what kind of moves Presti makes before saying it is a failure in spending.

They just need one more reliable shooter and they are a true contender.

Fun fact. Out of all 5-man lineups with over 60 minutes played on season, OKC’s starting lineup (with Westbrook) is 3rd in NetRtg only behind NOP and TOR. And we have Ferguson starting 0_0.

So don’t lose all hope, fam.


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[Pillendreher]

i'm laughing at the dude who said this is an easy schedule so no westbrook would be fine.

For a team that wants to be a serious contender, he needs to be Alfred.

Mean while Vic has 24 at the half and beating boston with buzzer beaters. Sabonis even putting up 13 and 10! Owell

depending on how good sabonis ends up, and it's looking like he could be a top 10 big in the nba maybe, the george trade might be looked at the same way as the harden trade down the line.

Here we go. One lackluster game and you're back in full form. You're licke a heckler who shouts things at players when they can't hear you.

I’d bet a significant amount of money that Felton didn’t work out or do anything basketball related till training camp after Schroder was acquired.

Raymond Felton is now 2nd in USG% on this team at 29.8 %. It is really unfortunate that Donovan can't tell him to stop **** shooting.

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A win is a win, but man, this so called "offense" without Russ out there driving it is just beyond horrible. I doesn't look like they're doing much at all most of the time. Instead of pushing the pace against the worst defense in the league, they sleepwalk it up the court, get into their standing positions for the rest of the possession and then watch two guys trying to do something. No sets, just trying to create a little bit of space in the PnR or post somebody up. They went from a 107 pace in those games Westrook played to 98 last night. Why? It's not like Westbrook is the only guy that is phyiscally able to run. The Cavs have been allowing the 8th most opposing fast break points per 100 possessions. Take advantage of that.
They missed some weird shots tonight (most airballs in two weeks probably), but they didn't even attempt to create them all that much. Schröder played 34 minutes and had 8 potential assists. Russ has been averaging 17 in 32 minutes. That's just not going to cut it. Nobody's moving and everybody's settling. Run some sets. Donovan knows what that is, right?

George-Adams without Westbrook now at a 94 ORtG in 113 minutes. That's a 24pp100p swing and flat out embarassing. Nobody in this league is good enough for that kind of turnaround offensively.

The lack of plays called for George spot up jumpshots is very concerning btw. Last year they had multiple ones where he came off screens and curled into good shots. This year it looks like they're hellbent on just dumping the ball into him so he can go "create". Stop that. It's not working the way you want it to. Go do what has worked and will work in the future.

[getrichordie]

i'm laughing at the dude who said this is an easy schedule so no westbrook would be fine.

Mean while Vic has 24 at the half and beating boston with buzzer beaters. Sabonis even putting up 13 and 10! Owell

depending on how good sabonis ends up, and it's looking like he could be a top 10 big in the nba maybe, the george trade might be looked at the same way as the harden trade down the line.

Here we go. One lackluster game and you're back in full form. You're licke a heckler who shouts things at players when they can't hear you.

I’d bet a significant amount of money that Felton didn’t work out or do anything basketball related till training camp after Schroder was acquired.

Raymond Felton is now 2nd in USG% on this team at 29.8 %. It is really unfortunate that Donovan can't tell him to stop **** shooting.

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A win is a win, but man, this so called "offense" without Russ out there driving it is just beyond horrible. I doesn't look like they're doing much at all most of the time. Instead of pushing the pace against the worst defense in the league, they sleepwalk it up the court, get into their standing positions for the rest of the possession and then watch two guys trying to do something. No sets, just trying to create a little bit of space in the PnR or post somebody up. They went from a 107 pace in those games Westrook played to 98 last night. Why? It's not like Westbrook is the only guy that is phyiscally able to run. The Cavs have been allowing the 8th most opposing fast break points per 100 possessions. Take advantage of that.
They missed some weird shots tonight (most airballs in two weeks probably), but they didn't even attempt to create them all that much. Schröder played 34 minutes and had 8 potential assists. Russ has been averaging 17 in 32 minutes. That's just not going to cut it. Nobody's moving and everybody's settling. Run some sets. Donovan knows what that is, right?

George-Adams without Westbrook now at a 94 ORtG in 113 minutes. That's a 24pp100p swing and flat out embarassing. Nobody in this league is good enough for that kind of turnaround offensively.

The lack of plays called for George spot up jumpshots is very concerning btw. Last year they had multiple ones where he came off screens and curled into good shots. This year it looks like they're hellbent on just dumping the ball into him so he can go "create". Stop that. It's not working the way you want it to. Go do what has worked and will work in the future.

What’s DRtg for Adams/George with Westbrook compared to no Westbrook?


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[Pillendreher]

What’s DRtg for Adams/George with Westbrook compared to no Westbrook?

https://stats.nba.com/impact/advanced/#!?LineupIDs=203500~202331&VsLineupIDs=201566&TeamID=1610612760&VsTeamID=1610612760

[BadWolf]

just looking at the boxscore. Does Schroeder ever pass the ball?

[getrichordie]

just looking at the boxscore. Does Schroeder ever pass the ball?

Yes. He was just able to get to the rim so easily tonight, he had little reason to pass. He would have had 3-4 assists if a few guys hit some easy shots.

Just for reference, Schroder’s career average for assists per 100 poss. is 9.9. Westbrook’s is 12.1.

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[slick_watts]

Here we go. One lackluster game and you're back in full form. You're licke a heckler who shouts things at players when they can't hear you.

so you disagree that the thunder will struggle without westbrook? or that sabonis + oladipo as a package end up way better than paul george?

sabonis is yamming on embiid while paul george can't even beat kyle korver off the dribble last night.

[slick_watts]

Dennis is no where close to overpaid with the situation the Thunder were in vs stretching and waiving Melo.. they were going to either pay $9m for nothing or 15m for a perfect system fit at back-up PG / 6th man

i don't think you know what the word perfect means.

[ThunderBolt]

Dennis is no where close to overpaid with the situation the Thunder were in vs stretching and waiving Melo.. they were going to either pay $9m for nothing or 15m for a perfect system fit at back-up PG / 6th man

i don't think you know what the word perfect means.

Or “system”.

[Bergmaniac]

Schroder had a very good game scoring wise, but as a playmaker he was atrocious, he only started actually looking for his teammates in the last few minutes and made a number of good passes which got them quite a few good looks and got several fouls drawn, before that he was calling his own number every time when he ran a pick and roll. It was very obvious he wanted to get his own points first and only decided to care about the result once the Cavs got close towards the end of the game. Zero assists as the main ballhandler against an atrocious defensive team is pretty remarkable.

[Old Man Game]

Lot of people **** on that game last night for how ugly it was, true but missing the point, we lost games like this last year. I think it says a lot about the role players, George, and yes Dennis that they ground out a win on a night they were mostly out of sync.

[getrichordie]

Lot of people **** on that game last night for how ugly it was, true but missing the point, we lost games like this last year. I think it says a lot about the role players, George, and yes Dennis that they ground out a win on a night they were mostly out of sync.

OMG, I always feel like you are the most down to earth fan on here. You really hold down the fort and I love it.

Definitely another positive to take away from this game for sure! One thing I think gets lost and no one talks about is that there is an adjustment period going from playing most of your minutes with one guard and then playing most of your minutes with another. No two guards are alike so it changes things. George struggling forever doesn’t help, but we still get the dub because we are doing the little things: hustling, getting out and running in transition, defending really well, drawing fouls. We are like a much faster-paced Memphis Grizzlies.


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[bondom34]

Schroder had a very good game scoring wise, but as a playmaker he was atrocious, he only started actually looking for his teammates in the last few minutes and made a number of good passes which got them quite a few good looks and got several fouls drawn, before that he was calling his own number every time when he ran a pick and roll. It was very obvious he wanted to get his own points first and only decided to care about the result once the Cavs got close towards the end of the game. Zero assists as the main ballhandler against an atrocious defensive team is pretty remarkable.

Didn't realize the assist thing until someone on reddit noted it after the game, but yeah that's weird and not a good thing for the offense. But at least it flows now that Westbrook doesn't clog it up.