12/23 | G32: Minnesota Timberwolves at Oklahoma City Thunder - 7PM CST

[Dn4sty]

To blame Abrines for this loss is..astonishing.
Yes he is supposed to be a good shooter, but that does not mean that we can expect him to hit every shot.

In my opinion was this game lost in the third quarter by gifting away a ten point lead (and the blame for that goes to Schröder).

There are a lot of things that went wrong. Abrines in no way gets complete blame. Schroder was awful no doubt.

[Pillendreher]

Oh and I completely forgot to mention Schröder: I've had it with this act of his when he's with the bench. They are getting destroyed and he's not even looking to involve his teammates. They have to freeze him out of plays to get any sort of rhythm.

[ThunderBolt]

So if OKC has a player specifically on the roster to make shots and he can’t make shots, why does that player continue to play?

he's a career 37-38% three point shooter. he does make shots. that was a good shot for him. but that's not even a make more than 50% of the time for anyone in the nba. the thunder putting themselves in a situation where they need to make a shot, or lose, is what lost the game. not abrines missing a shot.

Maybe they wouldn’t have been in that situstion if Abrines had not missed the threes earlier as well. Alex isn’t the sole reason we lost this game but he sucks. You’re holding to his “career numbers” likes he’s a 7 year veteran. This is his third year and he’s down to 32% this year. He’s just not that good.

[NaturalThunder]

So if OKC has a player specifically on the roster to make shots and he can’t make shots, why does that player continue to play?

he's a career 37-38% three point shooter. he does make shots. that was a good shot for him. but that's not even a make more than 50% of the time for anyone in the nba. the thunder putting themselves in a situation where they need to make a shot, or lose, is what lost the game. not abrines missing a shot.

Abrine is 18/55 from three over the last 13 games...that's 33%, and that's heavily buoyed by his 7/11 3P game against the terrible Hawks 12 games ago. You remove that game, and he's 11/42 (26%) in every other game over the last 13 games.

That's why we're upset/frustrated with Abrines. He doesn't do anything else well. He's a terrible defender. He can't create his own shot off the bounce. He can't create offense for others. He's out there to knock down threes and now he sucks at doing that.

And what equates to between 1/3 and 1/2 of the season, he's been a 33% 3P shooter...26% if you remove one outlier game against a terrible team.

[slick_watts]

Not a bad loss, I'm just not hopeful for a good Xmas day showing, but might be with the family either way. Abrines has to hit those, it's his one job.

it was a great look created for a good shooter. nobody makes everything. close games are a coin flip. wasn't pg something like 0-17 career on shots to go ahead or tie last second? those are meaningless stats.

i hope the thunder do not go away from this play just because abrines missed two. it would be foolish.

[slick_watts]

So if OKC has a player specifically on the roster to make shots and he can’t make shots, why does that player continue to play?

he's a career 37-38% three point shooter. he does make shots. that was a good shot for him. but that's not even a make more than 50% of the time for anyone in the nba. the thunder putting themselves in a situation where they need to make a shot, or lose, is what lost the game. not abrines missing a shot.

Maybe they wouldn’t have been in that situstion if Abrines had not missed the threes earlier as well. Alex isn’t the sole reason we lost this game but he sucks. You’re holding to his “career numbers” likes he’s a 7 year veteran. This is his third year and he’s down to 32% this year. He’s just not that good.

he may be good or he may not be good, that's still a good shot to get in that situation. nobody makes them all.

[slick_watts]

So if OKC has a player specifically on the roster to make shots and he can’t make shots, why does that player continue to play?

he's a career 37-38% three point shooter. he does make shots. that was a good shot for him. but that's not even a make more than 50% of the time for anyone in the nba. the thunder putting themselves in a situation where they need to make a shot, or lose, is what lost the game. not abrines missing a shot.

Abrine is 18/55 from three over the last 13 games...that's 33%, and that's heavily buoyed by his 7/11 3P game against the terrible Hawks 12 games ago. You remove that game, and he's 11/42 (26%) in ever other game over the last 13 games.

That's why we're upset/frustrated with Abrines. He doesn't do anything else well. He's a terrible defender. He can't create his own shot off the bounce. He can't create offense for others. He's out there to knock down threes.

And what equates to between 1/3 and 1/2 of the season, he's been a 33% 3P shooter...26% if you remove one outlier game against a terrible team.

[bondom34]

Not a bad loss, I'm just not hopeful for a good Xmas day showing, but might be with the family either way. Abrines has to hit those, it's his one job.

it was a great look created for a good shooter. nobody makes everything. close games are a coin flip. wasn't pg something like 0-17 career on shots to go ahead or tie last second? those are meaningless stats.

i hope the thunder do not go away from this play just because abrines missed two. it would be foolish.

Didn't say they should, but I do think they should find a better shooter if at all possible. When you're a rotation player who's got one job, and you fairly consistently fail to do so, it's a bigger deal. When Morrow suddenly stopped being able to shoot he was out of the NBA.

It was a good play, and the right play, but the shooter just hasn't performed.

[Thundershock88]

Not a bad loss, I'm just not hopeful for a good Xmas day showing, but might be with the family either way. Abrines has to hit those, it's his one job.

it was a great look created for a good shooter. nobody makes everything. close games are a coin flip. wasn't pg something like 0-17 career on shots to go ahead or tie last second? those are meaningless stats.

i hope the thunder do not go away from this play just because abrines missed two. it would be foolish.

Didn't say they should, but I do think they should find a better shooter if at all possible. When you're a rotation player who's got one job, and you fairly consistently fail to do so, it's a bigger deal. When Morrow suddenly stopped being able to shoot he was out of the NBA.

It was a good play, and the right play, but the shooter just hasn't performed.

What's frustrating is, we never even gave Morrow those opportunities. Ever, and he was a much better 3 point shooter than Abrines ever will be.

[NaturalThunder]

he's a career 37-38% three point shooter. he does make shots. that was a good shot for him. but that's not even a make more than 50% of the time for anyone in the nba. the thunder putting themselves in a situation where they need to make a shot, or lose, is what lost the game. not abrines missing a shot.

Abrine is 18/55 from three over the last 13 games...that's 33%, and that's heavily buoyed by his 7/11 3P game against the terrible Hawks 12 games ago. You remove that game, and he's 11/42 (26%) in ever other game over the last 13 games.

That's why we're upset/frustrated with Abrines. He doesn't do anything else well. He's a terrible defender. He can't create his own shot off the bounce. He can't create offense for others. He's out there to knock down threes.

And what equates to between 1/3 and 1/2 of the season, he's been a 33% 3P shooter...26% if you remove one outlier game against a terrible team.

Please, go on...

If not, I'm going to assume you've actually admitted, for the first time ever, you're actually wrong.

[Pillendreher]

Schröder needs a talking to. I can't deal with this **** any more. They had a 74 ORtG with Schröder on the floor and Russ on the bench. He's making 15 million and can't even do what Enes freaking Kanter did: Carry the bench to a reasonable offensive output.

[slick_watts]

Not a bad loss, I'm just not hopeful for a good Xmas day showing, but might be with the family either way. Abrines has to hit those, it's his one job.

it was a great look created for a good shooter. nobody makes everything. close games are a coin flip. wasn't pg something like 0-17 career on shots to go ahead or tie last second? those are meaningless stats.

i hope the thunder do not go away from this play just because abrines missed two. it would be foolish.

Didn't say they should, but I do think they should find a better shooter if at all possible. When you're a rotation player who's got one job, and you fairly consistently fail to do so, it's a bigger deal. When Morrow suddenly stopped being able to shoot he was out of the NBA.

It was a good play, and the right play, but the shooter just hasn't performed.

alex abrines is 7-17 in his career from three 'in the clutch'. that's 41% which seems like doing his job consistently to me within this context.

he's been a poor shooter this year and if there's reason to believe this is what he is now (i'm not sure why that would be), then sure we need someone better. but lets not pretend that abrines is somehow failing at making particular shots in crucial situation based on one or two occurrences this season. you can railroad practically any player in the league with this kind of narrow criticism.

morrow was old. abrines is not.

[ThunderBolt]

There are lots of great shooters who had entire seasons. where they had significant variance in their percentages for the year. Things don’t always even out to career averages.

[Pillendreher]

I for one am glad that Russ went along with the playcall in these situations multiple times now. Sometimes you make them, sometimes you don't, but it's way better than him bricking a 3.

[NaturalThunder]

So we sucked with Adams and Schroder on the court tonight?

Seems like Adams always struggles mightily against the Wolves and KAT.

[bondom34]

it was a great look created for a good shooter. nobody makes everything. close games are a coin flip. wasn't pg something like 0-17 career on shots to go ahead or tie last second? those are meaningless stats.

i hope the thunder do not go away from this play just because abrines missed two. it would be foolish.

Didn't say they should, but I do think they should find a better shooter if at all possible. When you're a rotation player who's got one job, and you fairly consistently fail to do so, it's a bigger deal. When Morrow suddenly stopped being able to shoot he was out of the NBA.

It was a good play, and the right play, but the shooter just hasn't performed.

alex abrines is 7-17 in his career from three 'in the clutch'. that's 41% which seems like doing his job consistently to me within this context.

he's been a poor shooter this year and if there's reason to believe this is what he is now (i'm not sure why that would be), then sure we need someone better. but lets not pretend that abrines is somehow failing at making particular shots in crucial situation based on one or two occurrences this season. you can railroad practically any player in the league with this kind of narrow criticism.

morrow was old. abrines is not.

Hes failing to do the one thing hes there for. Its not about crucial situations, it is about being a 3 point specialist who isn't a vey good shooter and does nothing else.

Hes never been a particularly good player but this year has been basically useless.

[slick_watts]

I for one am glad that Russ went along with the playcall in these situations multiple times now. Sometimes you make them, sometimes you don't, but it's way better than him bricking a 3.

agreed. these are great plays and good looks considering the circumstances. close games are a coin flip.

[slick_watts]

Didn't say they should, but I do think they should find a better shooter if at all possible. When you're a rotation player who's got one job, and you fairly consistently fail to do so, it's a bigger deal. When Morrow suddenly stopped being able to shoot he was out of the NBA.

It was a good play, and the right play, but the shooter just hasn't performed.

alex abrines is 7-17 in his career from three 'in the clutch'. that's 41% which seems like doing his job consistently to me within this context.

he's been a poor shooter this year and if there's reason to believe this is what he is now (i'm not sure why that would be), then sure we need someone better. but lets not pretend that abrines is somehow failing at making particular shots in crucial situation based on one or two occurrences this season. you can railroad practically any player in the league with this kind of narrow criticism.

morrow was old. abrines is not.

Hes failing to do the one thing hes there for. Its not about crucial situations, it is about being a 3 point specialist who isn't a vey good shooter and does nothing else.

Hes never been a particularly good player but this year has been basically useless.

do you think he's a 32% three point shooter moving forward?

[ThunderBolt]

Didn't say they should, but I do think they should find a better shooter if at all possible. When you're a rotation player who's got one job, and you fairly consistently fail to do so, it's a bigger deal. When Morrow suddenly stopped being able to shoot he was out of the NBA.

It was a good play, and the right play, but the shooter just hasn't performed.

alex abrines is 7-17 in his career from three 'in the clutch'. that's 41% which seems like doing his job consistently to me within this context.

he's been a poor shooter this year and if there's reason to believe this is what he is now (i'm not sure why that would be), then sure we need someone better. but lets not pretend that abrines is somehow failing at making particular shots in crucial situation based on one or two occurrences this season. you can railroad practically any player in the league with this kind of narrow criticism.

morrow was old. abrines is not.

Hes failing to do the one thing hes there for. Its not about crucial situations, it is about being a 3 point specialist who isn't a vey good shooter and does nothing else.

Hes never been a particularly good player but this year has been basically useless.

Exactly. Alex isn’t good enough to be retained if he’s not around 38% from three.

[NaturalThunder]

Didn't say they should, but I do think they should find a better shooter if at all possible. When you're a rotation player who's got one job, and you fairly consistently fail to do so, it's a bigger deal. When Morrow suddenly stopped being able to shoot he was out of the NBA.

It was a good play, and the right play, but the shooter just hasn't performed.

alex abrines is 7-17 in his career from three 'in the clutch'. that's 41% which seems like doing his job consistently to me within this context.

he's been a poor shooter this year and if there's reason to believe this is what he is now (i'm not sure why that would be), then sure we need someone better. but lets not pretend that abrines is somehow failing at making particular shots in crucial situation based on one or two occurrences this season. you can railroad practically any player in the league with this kind of narrow criticism.

morrow was old. abrines is not.

Hes failing to do the one thing hes there for. Its not about crucial situations, it is about being a 3 point specialist who isn't a vey good shooter and does nothing else.

Hes never been a particularly good player but this year has been basically useless.

This.

Abrines' past performances as a 3P shooter would be something I (and most others who aren't slick) would be willing to overlook if he was even average at anything else. But he's always been a below average to terrible NBA player in every other facet of basketball; and now that he sucks as a 3P shooter? Then it's understandable as to why multiple posters are pissed that he missed that potential game winning three.