Around the NBA: 2017—2018

[Pillendreher]

Butler is an embarrassment. What a cancer.

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[bondom34]

The more I think I realize I'd blame him least. But still want him nowhere near my team.

[Pillendreher]

The more I think I realize I'd blame him least. But still want him nowhere near my team.

I blame him the most. This isn't reality TV.

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[bondom34]

The more I think I realize I'd blame him least. But still want him nowhere near my team.

I blame him the most. This isn't reality TV.

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He also asked a while ago to be moved, and hes the only worker sadly. KAT/Wiggins are just soft workers. He's still a jerk.

[Pillendreher]

The more I think I realize I'd blame him least. But still want him nowhere near my team.

I blame him the most. This isn't reality TV.

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He also asked a while ago to be moved

Says the guy who's been leaking like crazy for weeks on end to influence public perception in his favor.

and hes the only worker sadly. KAT/Wiggins are just soft workers.

That's very doubtable. He's not the only NBA level player 9n a team full of scrubs.

Maybe he should take a long look in the mirror before he becomes a cancer yet again on his next team.

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[bondom34]

I blame him the most. This isn't reality TV.

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He also asked a while ago to be moved

Says the guy who's been leaking like crazy for weeks on end to influence public perception in his favor.

and hes the only worker sadly. KAT/Wiggins are just soft workers.

That's very doubtable. He's not the only NBA level player 9n a team full of scrubs.

Maybe he should take a long look in the mirror before he becomes a cancer yet again on his next team.

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I'm not sold the leaks are all him. I think the Wolves are just inept.

And he's the only high profile worker. Gibson and Teague aren't making max money.

[slick_watts]

become a cancer? he's clearly fed up with the wolves and wants out for whatever reason. what's wrong with that? he's exercising his agency as a player to get what he wants out of his career which is presumably not to play with teammates he doesn't and can't respect.

pillhendrer is always anti-player in these discussions. kawhi, durant, whoever-- it's always some sort of attack against some vague institution of sports sensibilities. i respect anyone who has the guts to challenge the status quo and get what they want out of their lives and careers, and jimmy butler appears to be using all the tools available to him to get what he wants. where is the problem here?

you claim that this isn't reality tv. what do you think televised spectator sports are? were you ok with the paul george party? the documentary? the after-party? that's all the same kind of stuff. theatrics. butler is using the theatrics to get what he wants whether that is a trade or to light a fire under an organization he says he no longer respects.

i honestly feel like taking such a hard line position against players in all these situations reveals a lot about the person behind those opinions. won't say more than that, though.

[spearsy23]

i honestly feel like taking such a hard line position against players in all these situations reveals a lot about the person behind those opinions. won't say more than that, though.

Nah, you don't get to imply what you're implying and then bow out.

Butler **** on his teammates is not a wolves problem, not a KAT/Wigs problem, not simply a negotiating tactic. It's Jimmy Butler being a **** teammate and person, and while you're correct that it's his right to act however he wants to force his way out that doesn't mean it should be free from consequences in the court of public opinion.

[bondom34]

Yeah he can be right and also handle it wrong.

The Wolves are just handling it terribly as well.

[getrichordie]

All I’m saying is arseholes get **** done. Kobe. LeBron. Michael. Steve Jobs. The list goes on.


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[spearsy23]

Also, it's not like this is the first problem there has been. As the saying goes, 'you run into an a-hole in the morning, you ran into an a-hole. If you run into a-holes all day, you're the a-hole.'

[spearsy23]

All I’m saying is arseholes get **** done. Kobe. LeBron. Michael. Steve Jobs. The list goes on.


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Lebron has always been an excellent teammate. NBA history is littered with guys who were **** and never won a thing.

[retrobro90]

Personally, I loved how the drama unfolded yesterday. And I tend to believe most of what was reported about the practice. Of course it was embellished by Butler and his agent. Woj supposedly has a negative history with Scott Layden so it's expected for him to be on Butler's side in this. But I don't doubt for a minute that Jimmy played harder and put the fear in Towns and Wiggins. The softness of those two has been apparent for years.

It's known now that Jimmy asked for a trade four days after their season ended. If they weren't going to make that known/make a trade I don't think he had much of a choice but go to the media before training camp when Minny's FO had all summer to do a deal gracefully. Talks grinded and nothing got done so he snapped, called Rachel Nichols and said "i'm gonna make this a show people wanna watch". Does it make him an ****? Yeah, probably. But if I'm any other NBA player there's no way I wanna go to Minnesota after seeing how they handle these situations.

[ThunderBolt]

Can someone please explain how it came to be that Rachel Nichols just happened to be in the area for an interview?

[Pillendreher]

i honestly feel like taking such a hard line position against players in all these situations reveals a lot about the person behind those opinions. won't say more than that, though.

Nah, you don't get to imply what you're implying and then bow out.

Butler **** on his teammates is not a wolves problem, not a KAT/Wigs problem, not simply a negotiating tactic. It's Jimmy Butler being a **** teammate and person, and while you're correct that it's his right to act however he wants to force his way out that doesn't mean it should be free from consequences in the court of public opinion.

Don't bother. It's his way of steering debates away from the issue by getting a rise out of people.

[Pillendreher]

Can someone please explain how it came to be that Rachel Nichols just happened to be in the area for an interview?

Just like Woj, Krawczynski and Shams all have become Jimmy Butler mouthpieces accidentally. What a coincidence!

[slick_watts]

All I’m saying is arseholes get **** done. Kobe. LeBron. Michael. Steve Jobs. The list goes on.

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i just question the morality of always siding with the organization over the individual unquestioningly. this is basic liberty, really. there are plenty of examples where the organization was clearly shafted- like carlos boozer and the cavs. that was bad.

[slick_watts]

i honestly feel like taking such a hard line position against players in all these situations reveals a lot about the person behind those opinions. won't say more than that, though.

Nah, you don't get to imply what you're implying and then bow out.

Butler **** on his teammates is not a wolves problem, not a KAT/Wigs problem, not simply a negotiating tactic. It's Jimmy Butler being a **** teammate and person, and while you're correct that it's his right to act however he wants to force his way out that doesn't mean it should be free from consequences in the court of public opinion.

butler will need to listen to his critics for awhile and deservingly so. this is the case with anyone who is blazing trails or standing up for themselves, really.

[Pillendreher]

become a cancer?

Yes. On multiple occasions now.

he's clearly fed up with the wolves and wants out for whatever reason.

Cool.

what's wrong with that?

A lot. Let me explain it to you.

he's exercising his agency as a player to get what he wants out of his career which is presumably not to play with teammates he doesn't and can't respect.

Do you know what the terms contract and decency mean? He has no right whatsoever not playing for the Timberwolves if they don't want to trade him, period. He was one year left on his contract and has to honour it. Staging fake practises and interviews to get what he wants is doing nothing but alienating his former teammates and lowering his trade value even more. You think any opposing GM is now going to offer more? Hell no.

pillhendrer is always anti-player in these discussions.

I'm anti players taking even more of the power and using the public to force teams to do something they're not obligated to do.

kawhi, durant, whoever-- it's always some sort of attack against some vague institution of sports sensibilities.
i respect anyone who has the guts to challenge the status quo and get what they want out of their lives and careers

Spare me the plattitude bull.

and jimmy butler appears to be using all the tools available to him to get what he wants. where is the problem here?

See the question above. If he wants out, fine. Go and talk to your management about that. If they don't want to trade you: Play out your contract and sign wherever the hell you want. But I guess it's too much to ask of players nowadays.

you claim that this isn't reality tv. what do you think televised spectator sports are? were you ok with the paul george party? the documentary? the after-party? that's all the same kind of stuff.

No, it's not, but good on ya for trying.

butler is using the theatrics to get what he wants whether that is a trade or to light a fire under an organization he says he no longer respects.
i honestly feel like taking such a hard line position against players in all these situations reveals a lot about the person behind those opinions. won't say more than that, though.

Yes. I hate players who fake an injury for a whole season and try to bully their way to certain teams. I hate players who leak a trade request a couple of days before training camp and then use multiple media avenues to force their current team into doing whatever they personally want.

[slick_watts]

Yes. I hate players who fake an injury for a whole season and try to bully their way to certain teams. I hate players who leak a trade request a couple of days before training camp and then use multiple media avenues to force their current team into doing whatever they personally want.

this is what i mean. you always make anti-player assumptions, and don't put any onus on the organizations. you assume that kawhi 'faked' an injury or assume that jimmy butler 'leaked' trade requests as events that not only occurred (even though there's no proof of them whatsoever), but that they occurred in some sort of vacuum where cause and effect do not exist.

teams use the media to get what they want all the time, and have way more power than the players in these relationships. people like jimmy butler, kawhi leonard and kevin durant are following in the footsteps of tom heinsohn and oscar robertson who refused to participate in the all star game unless their demands were met. i bet you would have been calling oscar an entitled **** back then too.

anyone would hate the players if operating from the anti-player assumptions of their behavior that you do, but these assumptions are counter to reality which is complex and grey.