2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

[Pillendreher]

i think something that's missing in this discussion, if we're going to be harping on lineup data differences so much, is that 'dre played his starter's minutes with melo on the court last year.

Yeah, I wanted to talk about that but forgot to mention it. I'm the opposite of a Grant stan, but putting an at least capable defender at the 4 instead of Anthony sure as hell helps this current iteration of the Thunder starters. Which makes last year's defensive performance with Roberson, George and Adams on the floor even more impressive.

[getrichordie]

I'd say the forced turnovers leading to a much higher rate of transition opportunities is more likely to reach a higher offense than a 31% 3 point shooter.

Are we forcing more turnovers when Ferguson is on the floor versus Roberson on the floor?


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Opponent TO% was 19.5% on a much larger sample last year with Dre and 19.3% with Ferguson this year using CTG.

They're running in transition 17.5% of the time with Ferguson this year and it was 20.2% with Roberson last year (actually most was off of rebounds).

So where is this additional offensive output coming from in the Ferguson starters versus Dre starters last year?

Also, is a 31.3% 3-pt shot any less valuable than a 46.5% 2-pt shot?


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[Dn4sty]

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[getrichordie]

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That’s good news. Hopefully he makes the strongest of recoveries.


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[Pillendreher]

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[spearsy23]

Are we forcing more turnovers when Ferguson is on the floor versus Roberson on the floor?


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Opponent TO% was 19.5% on a much larger sample last year with Dre and 19.3% with Ferguson this year using CTG.

They're running in transition 17.5% of the time with Ferguson this year and it was 20.2% with Roberson last year (actually most was off of rebounds).

So where is this additional offensive output coming from in the Ferguson starters versus Dre starters last year?

Redistributing Melo's fifteen shots per night on 50% ts, likely turning the ball over a bit less, more shots for adams, Grant's hopefully sustainable shooting.

Also, is a 31.3% 3-pt shot any less valuable than a 46.5% 2-pt shot?

That depends on how you get the shot.

[slick_watts]

looks slow. compensating with his right leg. probably will lead to other injuries. got 12 inches off the ground for that dunk. i love you 'dre and i'm rooting for you but man it doesn't look good.

[Pillendreher]

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[spearsy23]

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Jumped off and landed on his left leg.

[Pillendreher]

got 12 inches off the ground for that dunk.

He's not dunking.

[getrichordie]

Opponent TO% was 19.5% on a much larger sample last year with Dre and 19.3% with Ferguson this year using CTG.

They're running in transition 17.5% of the time with Ferguson this year and it was 20.2% with Roberson last year (actually most was off of rebounds).

So where is this additional offensive output coming from in the Ferguson starters versus Dre starters last year?

Redistributing Melo's fifteen shots per night on 50% ts, likely turning the ball over a bit less, more shots for adams, Grant's hopefully sustainable shooting.

Also, is a 31.3% 3-pt shot any less valuable than a 46.5% 2-pt shot?

That depends on how you get the shot.

Why does it depend on how you get the shot?


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[spearsy23]

So where is this additional offensive output coming from in the Ferguson starters versus Dre starters last year?

Redistributing Melo's fifteen shots per night on 50% ts, likely turning the ball over a bit less, more shots for adams, Grant's hopefully sustainable shooting.

Also, is a 31.3% 3-pt shot any less valuable than a 46.5% 2-pt shot?

That depends on how you get the shot.

Why does it depend on how you get the shot?


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Increased chance to draw fouls, move the defense, open Lanes for passes and offensive rebounds when you take a shot moving towards the basket.

[spearsy23]

looks slow. compensating with his right leg. probably will lead to other injuries. got 12 inches off the ground for that dunk. i love you 'dre and i'm rooting for you but man it doesn't look good.

The camera is doing a good job of hiding that the left leg is a prosthetic.

[slick_watts]

looks slow. compensating with his right leg. probably will lead to other injuries. got 12 inches off the ground for that dunk. i love you 'dre and i'm rooting for you but man it doesn't look good.

The camera is doing a good job of hiding that the left leg is a prosthetic.

don't be ridiculous.

[bondom34]

Jeremy Lin's been pretty solid over the last 10 games, and at 21.5 MPG.

[slick_watts]

Jeremy Lin's been pretty solid over the last 10 games, and at 21.5 MPG.

he didn't have a second surgery like roberson did. that's the scary part.

[Pillendreher]

Jeremy Lin's been pretty solid over the last 10 games, and at 21.5 MPG.

he didn't have a second surgery like roberson did. that's the scary part.

There's a German saying that roughly translates into "Two are better than one". As an expert in everything, this applies here as well.

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They're hiding something under that sleeve. Must be one of Russ' robot parts without the skin attached to it yet.

[Old Man Game]

Uh, no ****?


Yes, vomiting and diarrhea would easily explain the absence we saw. As it turns out humans aren't designed to run and jump at an NBA level when they've been losing fluids and unable to keep any foods down. Taking ondansetron isn't some miracle cure, even if you stop vomiting long enough to make it through an NBA game it's going to leave you feeling even more lethargic. This is probably the dumbest argument of the season, why aren't you all over Hami for missing games with his sprained ankle? This is the same damn thing.

We aren't actually having much of an argument. You said it was serious barfing. I said it couldn't be just that given modern medicine. Then you proved you can google things by using the chemical name and referencing a possible side effect for the drug I referenced.

Look, bottom line, are you going to seriously act like it wasn't weird to miss a goddamn week over stomach virus? How many players over the years have you seen play with the flu (Jordan flu game, anyone)? That happens fairly regularly.

I don't think most hospital employees would need to Google ondansetron, it's probably the most used med in a hospital. And Jordan wasn't sick for over a week, hell there's speculation he was actually just hungover. It's pretty damn common for a stomach virus to knock someone out for a week.

I apologize for that quip about google. That was a low blow and beneath the standards of the discourse I aim for around here. In sum, I think a guy with access to the best medical care 24/7 being down that long over a stomach thing is weird in my experience. YMMV.

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[getrichordie]

Redistributing Melo's fifteen shots per night on 50% ts, likely turning the ball over a bit less, more shots for adams, Grant's hopefully sustainable shooting.


That depends on how you get the shot.

Why does it depend on how you get the shot?


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Increased chance to draw fouls, move the defense, open Lanes for passes and offensive rebounds when you take a shot moving towards the basket.

I get that. That makes sense. But at the same time, in a vacuum, Ferguson’s 31.3% shot holds a hair more value than a Westbrook 3-pointer and a Westbrook mid-range jumper. Again, I repeat, in a vacuum from a mathematical standpoint.


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