2021 NBA Draft Thread

[ThunderBolt]

No chance at Houston. They have A LOT of picks and badly need a great prospect and won't give up Green for some years of flexibilty back (their future picks).

What would be your best offer to Cleveland for 3?

Logic and history say if Bouknight becomes a fringe all star and Mobley becomes one of the best big men in the league, we should give up whatever it takes to get it done. I really wish I knew what the front office thought about these guys.

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Houston is apparently being really aggressive with trying to trade into the lottery with their picks in the 20s but having no luck so far. The Rockets also have been 'stonewalled' by Mobley and Suggs trying to get them in for workouts, which is real interesting.

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I don’t think I like that path for us.

[thedoppelganger]

No chance at Houston. They have A LOT of picks and badly need a great prospect and won't give up Green for some years of flexibilty back (their future picks).

What would be your best offer to Cleveland for 3?

Logic and history say if Bouknight becomes a fringe all star and Mobley becomes one of the best big men in the league, we should give up whatever it takes to get it done. I really wish I knew what the front office thought about these guys.

Everything seems to line up that we and Troy Weaver have been fans of Bouknight since last year's draft cycle. Sounds like Mobley would be our target if we were to trade up to 3, he's 2nd on my board so I'd be a big fan of that. It's a bit annoying not having more intel about our team, but I'm glad we're not leaking everything left, right, and center like Houston does.

Also to get to 3 I'd offer 6 + Dort + 16 + LAC '22 1st, or maybe 6 + 16 + HOU '24 1st. That might not be enough, it's going to take a haul to move up to an area that's so clearly above our current spot. Might bode well that Cleveland's been working out Kuming and Barnes as well.

[ThunderBolt]

No chance at Houston. They have A LOT of picks and badly need a great prospect and won't give up Green for some years of flexibilty back (their future picks).

What would be your best offer to Cleveland for 3?

Logic and history say if Bouknight becomes a fringe all star and Mobley becomes one of the best big men in the league, we should give up whatever it takes to get it done. I really wish I knew what the front office thought about these guys.

Everything seems to line up that we and Troy Weaver have been fans of Bouknight since last year's draft cycle. Sounds like Mobley would be our target if we were to trade up to 3, he's 2nd on my board so I'd be a big fan of that. It's a bit annoying not having more intel about our team, but I'm glad we're not leaking everything left, right, and center like Houston does.

Also to get to 3 I'd offer 6 + Dort + 16 + LAC '22 1st, or maybe 6 + 16 + HOU '24 1st. That might not be enough, it's going to take a haul to move up to an area that's so clearly above our current spot. Might bode well that Cleveland's been working out Kuming and Barnes as well.

In regarding to trading with Cleveland, if love is a factor, I’m not the value of taking him back.

[thedoppelganger]

Logic and history say if Bouknight becomes a fringe all star and Mobley becomes one of the best big men in the league, we should give up whatever it takes to get it done. I really wish I knew what the front office thought about these guys.

Everything seems to line up that we and Troy Weaver have been fans of Bouknight since last year's draft cycle. Sounds like Mobley would be our target if we were to trade up to 3, he's 2nd on my board so I'd be a big fan of that. It's a bit annoying not having more intel about our team, but I'm glad we're not leaking everything left, right, and center like Houston does.

Also to get to 3 I'd offer 6 + Dort + 16 + LAC '22 1st, or maybe 6 + 16 + HOU '24 1st. That might not be enough, it's going to take a haul to move up to an area that's so clearly above our current spot. Might bode well that Cleveland's been working out Kuming and Barnes as well.

In regarding to trading with Cleveland, if love is a factor, I’m not the value of taking him back.

Surely they're not so desperate to clear his money that they'd use it as part of a move out of a clear top 4 part of the draft? That'd be hard to believe unless they really love Kuminga or Dan Gilbert is meddling. Think Love would be for something like a lightly protected '22 pick if they were going to dump him.

[ThunderBolt]

Everything seems to line up that we and Troy Weaver have been fans of Bouknight since last year's draft cycle. Sounds like Mobley would be our target if we were to trade up to 3, he's 2nd on my board so I'd be a big fan of that. It's a bit annoying not having more intel about our team, but I'm glad we're not leaking everything left, right, and center like Houston does.

Also to get to 3 I'd offer 6 + Dort + 16 + LAC '22 1st, or maybe 6 + 16 + HOU '24 1st. That might not be enough, it's going to take a haul to move up to an area that's so clearly above our current spot. Might bode well that Cleveland's been working out Kuming and Barnes as well.

In regarding to trading with Cleveland, if love is a factor, I’m not the value of taking him back.

Surely they're not so desperate to clear his money that they'd use it as part of a move out of a clear top 4 part of the draft? That'd be hard to believe unless they really love Kuminga or Dan Gilbert is meddling. Think Love would be for something like a lightly protected '22 pick if they were going to dump him.

They shouldn’t do it but you never know with meddling ownership.

[Dadouv47]

Well Woj saying Cavs like a Allen/Mobley fit so I was wrong

For Mobley I Would offer 6 + 16 + 3 FRPs (lac 2022 and Houston 2024, arguably our best two future picks from other teams + Denver or Miami 2023). Obviously I would trade Bazley but don't think he has a lot of value. Also fine if we add some future pick swap with low protection in 2023+

Not taking Love for that price though because then we can't take advantage of other teams willing to dump bad contracts (like Bledsoe and swap 16 for 10 or maybe a deal with Indiana and Lamb).

Well basically I'm willing to make a pretty big offer because I think Mobley is gonna be a terrific player and a great fit for us but not worth selling half the assets we acquired...

[Devilanche]

Didn't believe NOLA was willing to move Adams already but Shams saying NOLA called after Myles Turner so...wouldn't my kiwi to come back home.

If #10 is accompanying him sure

[Devilanche]

Givony is dropping all sorts of rumors right now. The one directly tied to us is linked above.

Houston is apparently being really aggressive with trying to trade into the lottery with their picks in the 20s but having no luck so far. The Rockets also have been 'stonewalled' by Mobley and Suggs trying to get them in for workouts, which is real interesting.

Memphis is talking to New Orleans about taking on Bledsoe in order to move up from 17 to 10, wonder if that's being leaked to pressure us to use 16 in order to do the same deal.

Private workouts are having much more of an impact this draft cycle since teams weren't able to go see every prospect in person due to the pandemic. Lots of movement in recent weeks on teams boards.

I’m surprised houston is getting stonewalled by Mobley and Suggs

I don’t think that’s NO strategy to force us to use 16 instead of 18. They probably want one of Memphis rookie as well together with the pick which is why our trove of picks aren’t being considered . Probably one of their bigs which we don’t really have ? I mean is this something that either a Roby or a Ty Jerome can’t bridge ?

[Devilanche]

No chance at Houston. They have A LOT of picks and badly need a great prospect and won't give up Green for some years of flexibilty back (their future picks).

What would be your best offer to Cleveland for 3?

Logic and history say if Bouknight becomes a fringe all star and Mobley becomes one of the best big men in the league, we should give up whatever it takes to get it done. I really wish I knew what the front office thought about these guys.

Everything seems to line up that we and Troy Weaver have been fans of Bouknight since last year's draft cycle. Sounds like Mobley would be our target if we were to trade up to 3, he's 2nd on my board so I'd be a big fan of that. It's a bit annoying not having more intel about our team, but I'm glad we're not leaking everything left, right, and center like Houston does.

Also to get to 3 I'd offer 6 + Dort + 16 + LAC '22 1st, or maybe 6 + 16 + HOU '24 1st. That might not be enough, it's going to take a haul to move up to an area that's so clearly above our current spot. Might bode well that Cleveland's been working out Kuming and Barnes as well.

The leaks from houston are just weird . I will always remember that they offered Gordon to move up from 20s to 13 offer for Indiana

It’s like not even a houston fan will offer that trade in
the trade board

[ThunderBolt]

I’m going in to the draft being content with Bouknight. No I wouldn’t rather have him over Mobley but I definitely think he can be a a CJ McCollum level player (with better defense) alongside shai and we still have tons of assets. A trade up with Cleveland or someone else would be great, but a trade up for Moody would make me pretty happy too. Bouknight, Moody and Vrenz is my ideal but somewhat realistic hope. If Kuminga replaces Bouknight, that’s good too.

[Devilanche]

I’m with you on this . I’m ok with remaining at 6 and moving up from one of 16 or 18 instead of even moving up from both 16/18 .

I do still hope against all hope that Suggs falls to 6th though.

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I don’t think I like that path for us.

I think I’d be on board.

[ThunderBolt]

The Saturday athletic podcast (not down to dunk) had schlecht and spears asking vecenie about the draft. Lots of the discussion was about Kuminga, Barnes, Bouknight and other things that could be thunder related. It’s worth a listen. I listened to it over two days so I don’t remember all the details. There is a good segment comparing the strengths and weaknesses of Barnes and Kuminga to one another. Explained why Sengun isn't Okafor or Kanter. Also, I feel even better about Bouknight if that’s our decision. Vecenie also sold me on Tre Murphy,

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First time I've heard us directly connected to Mobley.

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Starting to sound somewhat imminent. He did mention he also thought he would fit great with the warriors too but they are just sloppy seconds at this point.

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Starting to sound somewhat imminent. He did mention he also thought he would fit great with the warriors too but they are just sloppy seconds at this point.

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A week ago Vegas set Bouk's draft position line at 9.5 where you could bet whether he'd be drafted higher or lower, was basically free money. Today it's moved all the way down to 7.5.

Also it might be nothing, but Keon and Davion are also both odds on favorites to be taken in the top 10, even higher odds than Wagner which seems crazy. The books usually aren't too off on things like that.

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A week ago Vegas set Bouk's draft position line at 9.5 where you could bet whether he'd be drafted higher or lower, was basically free money. Today it's moved all the way down to 7.5.

Also it might be nothing, but Keon and Davion are also both odds on favorites to be taken in the top 10, even higher odds than Wagner which seems crazy. The books usually aren't too off on things like that.

interesting. never really thought of vegas as a source for this kind of stuff but it makes sense.

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