2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

[bondom34]

I noticed Harden's 11 TOs last night and thought "huh, odd nothing is said about stuff like that when it happens". If that were Westbrook he'd be killed, but it's just "part of Harden's game"

westbrook last had double digit turnovers in a game v. the kings on january 16, 2018. lets check the postgame thread from that game and see how people responded.

For the record, I voted Westbrook and George co-players of the game. Westbrook for actually shooting well and only taking 14 shots and making 8 of them which is a big departure from how Westbrook usually plays (I'm proud of you, Russ) and George for being an absolute monster on the defensive end and closing the game in the 4th.

would you look at that.

what was old bondom saying after the game?

I hate this team. I thought Westbrook was the only one who seemed like he cared for stretches, but they just stink. Zero entertainment value honestly.

hmm.

and no mention of turnovers from anyone. westbrook even got ejected and there wasn't much complaining about him. so i have no clue what you're talking about. westbrook had 10 turnovers in the course of him playing his game, probably some silly passes, maybe bad luck, but he was attacking and doing what he was supposed to be doing. like you and GROD seem to have agreed on. shooting double digit threes and defying his skillset is a completely different matter and i don't understand how you don't understand the difference here.

1. I fully admit to being a Russ homer. He's my favorite player.

2. He shouldn't be taking 12 threes.

great! we're making progress. we agree that he should not take 12 threes in a game. we probably agree that westbrook does this too often and it's a flagrant misuse of his skillset.

3. That doesn't mean Windy's "scouts" thing is true when we've got a ton of evidence otherwise.

it might be true it might not. we don't know. why wouldn't it be? would he lie?

4. Justin only pops up during these times to do this (notice the radio silence the game prior?).

i'm passionate about this topic so yes i will participate in these discussions. i've been posting on realgm semi-regularly during the past year or so. again, no idea what you're talking about.

5. GROD, don't know what you'r quoting me with, you're on ignore for good now. If you want to argue whatever but when you go to weird homophobic comments about people giving "jobs" you should probably rethink. And your crappy opinions on everything don't inspire me to read.

this is a good move.

You weren't around when he has a good game saying a peep. You take sides and play your little character here while trying your best to annoy everyone. I'm not biting.

And you know very well you'd be singing a different tune if the Harden situation were flipped.

[slick_watts]

You weren't around when he has a good game saying a peep. You take sides and play your little character here while trying your best to annoy everyone. I'm not biting.

look, i think i'm moving this discussion along and making plenty of cogent points. if you don't want to talk about them then don't! just please stop throwing these accusations around. i did not realize i had to post on realgm after every game in order for my opinions to be meritorious.

do you disagree with my responses? i think the biggest, and weirdest, disconnect here is that we can't come to an agreement on the difference between westbrook chucking double-digit threes and james harden (or, westbrook himself) turning the ball over 11 times in the context of this discussion.

And you know very well you'd be singing a different tune if the Harden situation were flipped.

i didn't have a bad thing to say about westbrook after that kings game. no, i would not sing a different tune if the situation was flipped but sure, have another straw man my friend.

[bondom34]

You weren't around when he has a good game saying a peep. You take sides and play your little character here while trying your best to annoy everyone. I'm not biting.

look, i think i'm moving this discussion along and making plenty of cogent points. if you don't want to talk about them then don't! just please stop throwing these accusations around. i did not realize i had to post on realgm after every game in order for my opinions to be meritorious.

do you disagree with my responses? i think the biggest, and weirdest, disconnect here is that we can't come to an agreement on the difference between westbrook chucking double-digit threes and james harden (or, westbrook himself) turning the ball over 11 times in the context of this discussion.

And you know very well you'd be singing a different tune if the Harden situation were flipped.

i didn't have a bad thing to say about westbrook after that kings game. no, i would not sing a different tune if the situation was flipped but sure, have another straw man my friend.

Notably also didn't have a good thing either. Yes, I disagree with a lot and just stopped replying. I agree with parts of it but the push to the extremes to gain a narrative don't really appeal to me, which is why I just stopped. It's not worth the effort or time when I could do other things, like organize silverware, or tie my shoes, then untie them, then tie them again many times.

And you don't have to post after every game. It's just...interesting you very seldom say anything positive but when there's one negative manage to beat a dead horse so far into the ground that nobody cares anymore.

As for the turnovers, yes, they are both somewhat related in that using Westbrook's supposed biggest flaw but ignoring (one of) Harden's is just that, related.

I think enough people here including myself, Spearsy, and Pille have all known you long enough to just mostly not bother, which is my plan as well. At least you didn't go to personal jabs, which is appreciated J.

[slick_watts]

Notably also didn't have a good thing either. Yes, I disagree with a lot and just stopped replying. I agree with parts of it but the push to the extremes to gain a narrative don't really appeal to me, which is why I just stopped. It's not worth the effort or time when I could do other things, like organize silverware, or tie my shoes, then untie them, then tie them again many times.

characterizing my view as 'extreme' in light of the reporting from windhorst today is odd.

And you don't have to post after every game. It's just...interesting you very seldom say anything positive but when there's one negative manage to beat a dead horse so far into the ground that nobody cares anymore.

you just selectively read what i post here which is why you think this. i've been complimentary of jerami grant this year. and billy donovan / the defense progressing so well. of course adams and roberson when they play, and paul george for the most part. i'm probably optimistic to the point of bias on patterson and abrines.

you're the one who weaves narratives about me, to try and discredit the opinions you disagree with imo.

As for the turnovers, yes, they are both somewhat related in that using Westbrook's supposed biggest flaw but ignoring (one of) Harden's is just that, related.

harden and westbrook have exactly the same tov per 100 possessions since 2016-17. so i don't know what you're talking about.

i'm not ignoring harden turning the ball over his last game. that sucks. turning it over 11 times in one game is not good. but for high usage volume scorers and play makers it happens in the course of playing sometimes. you know what harden's not doing? shooting 10 mid-range jump shots every sixth game he plays or some other thing that is counter to his skillset. these are completely different concepts we are talking about here and you're making it appear that they are the same. they're not!

I think enough people here including myself, Spearsy, and Pille have all known you long enough to just mostly not bother, which is my plan as well.

you say that, but...

and i don't care if you don't bother but it's sort of crummy to inject yourself into the conversation and then just throw your hands up and allege i'm trolling or something when i actually start to put effort into researching your claims.

At least you didn't go to personal jabs, which is appreciated J.

didn't you say i was ruining this board or something a week ago? lol. pot, here's kettle.

[bondom34]

Notably also didn't have a good thing either. Yes, I disagree with a lot and just stopped replying. I agree with parts of it but the push to the extremes to gain a narrative don't really appeal to me, which is why I just stopped. It's not worth the effort or time when I could do other things, like organize silverware, or tie my shoes, then untie them, then tie them again many times.

characterizing my view as 'extreme' in light of the reporting from windhorst today is odd.

And you don't have to post after every game. It's just...interesting you very seldom say anything positive but when there's one negative manage to beat a dead horse so far into the ground that nobody cares anymore.

you just selectively read what i post here which is why you think this. i've been complimentary of jerami grant this year. and billy donovan / the defense progressing so well. of course adams and roberson when they play, and paul george for the most part. i'm probably optimistic to the point of bias on patterson and abrines.

you're the one who weaves narratives about me, to try and discredit the opinions you disagree with imo.

As for the turnovers, yes, they are both somewhat related in that using Westbrook's supposed biggest flaw but ignoring (one of) Harden's is just that, related.

harden and westbrook have exactly the same tov per 100 possessions since 2016-17. so i don't know what you're talking about.

i'm not ignoring harden turning the ball over his last game. that sucks. turning it over 11 times in one game is not good. but for high usage volume scorers and play makers it happens in the course of playing sometimes. you know what harden's not doing? shooting 10 mid-range jump shots every sixth game he plays or some other thing that is counter to his skillset. these are completely different concepts we are talking about here and you're making it appear that they are the same. they're not!

I think enough people here including myself, Spearsy, and Pille have all known you long enough to just mostly not bother, which is my plan as well.

you say that, but...

and i don't care if you don't bother but it's sort of crummy to inject yourself into the conversation and then just throw your hands up and allege i'm trolling or something when i actually start to put effort into researching your claims.

At least you didn't go to personal jabs, which is appreciated J.

didn't you say i was ruining this board or something a week ago? lol. pot, here's kettle.

You quoted me, not the other way around.

And yes, you can still manage to do your little character act without personal attacks. No pot, no kettle. Two separate issues.

Your claims are always in these instances things that either can't be refuted because they're subjective or that you won't flounder from when people call you on it. Westbrook has the biggest flaws. He has the highest XYZ, etc. There's a middle ground somewhere when everything is the worst/biggest/most flawed and so on. These things get funny when you call us all out in threads saying things like Melo will become a better shooter in Houston and his 3PA rate will skyrocket then it turns out nope, he was just washed and again trying to pawn blame to somewhere you'd hoped it would fall failed.

And just as a final note here, because I'll leave you the floor, but I do wonder what the reaction is if they're up 14 at half with Westbrook shooting 1-8 for 3, then he decides to stop shooting and they go on to lose the second half by 20 behind poor shooting from the rest of the team as well.

[slick_watts]

And yes, you can still manage to do your little character act without personal attacks. No pot, no kettle. Two separate issues.

you don't believe that calling my posts "a little character act" is a personal attack in and of itself? belittling, perhaps? i think you're being a hypocrite.

Your claims are always in these instances things that either can't be refuted because they're subjective or that you won't flounder from when people call you on it. Westbrook has the biggest flaws. He has the highest XYZ, etc. There's a middle ground somewhere when everything is the worst/biggest/most flawed and so on.

they can be but i'm not talking about those right now. i'm talking about russell westbrook defying his skillset and shooting a high number of low percentage (for him) jump shots. he does this often. you brought up some examples from other players which are demonstrably not the same thing, which you refuse to acknowledge. everyone knows westbrook has this weakness in his game and it holds him back and sometimes the team back. this is a flaw he has direct control over but chooses not to correct. there's no extremism here, it's reality.

there are certainly times where i will make claims based solely on my subjective opinion. this is not one of them.

These things get funny when you call us all out in threads saying things like Melo will become a better shooter in Houston and his 3PA rate will skyrocket then it turns out nope, he was just washed and again trying to pawn blame to somewhere you'd hoped it would fall failed.

nobody bats 1.000, but we're not talking about melo right now, are we? or did you just want to rub it in my face? does that make you feel good?

And just as a final note here, because I'll leave you the floor, but I do wonder what the reaction is if they're up 14 at half with Westbrook shooting 1-8 for 3, then he decides to stop shooting and they go on to lose the second half by 20 behind poor shooting from the rest of the team as well.

heh what.

[bondom34]

Yeah, you can keep going. Have a blast. Not worth the time, got other stuff to do.

And heh what was a hypothetical, and yea you're still being subjective.

Also the "character act" remark is something because I've now been on at least 3 sites you comment on and done podcasts. You've been a totally rational actor on every single one on nearly every single encounter. Yet here you come by mostly to stir people up and do this. That's what I mean. When I see you act like this everywhere else I'll say it's not a character act. But when I know you from other places and other posters call you on the same thing it seems I'm not alone in feeling that way.

[getrichordie]

I noticed Harden's 11 TOs last night and thought "huh, odd nothing is said about stuff like that when it happens". If that were Westbrook he'd be killed, but it's just "part of Harden's game"

westbrook last had double digit turnovers in a game v. the kings on january 16, 2018. lets check the postgame thread from that game and see how people responded.

For the record, I voted Westbrook and George co-players of the game. Westbrook for actually shooting well and only taking 14 shots and making 8 of them which is a big departure from how Westbrook usually plays (I'm proud of you, Russ) and George for being an absolute monster on the defensive end and closing the game in the 4th.

would you look at that.

what was old bondom saying after the game?

I hate this team. I thought Westbrook was the only one who seemed like he cared for stretches, but they just stink. Zero entertainment value honestly.

hmm.

and no mention of turnovers from anyone. westbrook even got ejected and there wasn't much complaining about him. so i have no clue what you're talking about. westbrook had 10 turnovers in the course of him playing his game, probably some silly passes, maybe bad luck, but he was attacking and doing what he was supposed to be doing. like you and GROD seem to have agreed on. shooting double digit threes and defying his skillset is a completely different matter and i don't understand how you don't understand the difference here.

1. I fully admit to being a Russ homer. He's my favorite player.

2. He shouldn't be taking 12 threes.

great! we're making progress. we agree that he should not take 12 threes in a game. we probably agree that westbrook does this too often and it's a flagrant misuse of his skillset.

3. That doesn't mean Windy's "scouts" thing is true when we've got a ton of evidence otherwise.

it might be true it might not. we don't know. why wouldn't it be? would he lie?

4. Justin only pops up during these times to do this (notice the radio silence the game prior?).

i'm passionate about this topic so yes i will participate in these discussions. i've been posting on realgm semi-regularly during the past year or so. again, no idea what you're talking about.

5. GROD, don't know what you'r quoting me with, you're on ignore for good now. If you want to argue whatever but when you go to weird homophobic comments about people giving "jobs" you should probably rethink. And your crappy opinions on everything don't inspire me to read.

this is a good move.

I just want second the motion that Bondom ignoring me is a good move (hopefully he will be less likely to get triggered) and I just want to set the record straight that Bondom misinterpreted or perhaps has misrepresented my “jobs” remark.

I think Bondom’s viewpoint on the Windhorst quote is an excellent example of how homerism can blind you at times.

slick_watts, I love your objectivity.


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[bondom34]

Dunno what you're saying, but can't see it GROD. Ignore list was a good call.

[slick_watts]

slick_watts, I love your objectivity.

heh

[Dadouv47]

This forum just reached a cupcake level of childish

[slick_watts]

thunder currently have the highest SRS of any team in nba history with lower team eFG than opponent eFG. since 2004-05 hand check rules, this year's thunder and last year's thunder are #1 and #3 in SRS among teams that meet this criteria. #2 is 2012-13 memphis. memphis is one of few teams to have sustained success over multiple seasons while shooting worse than their opponents. the year they made the wcf, though, they subverted this trend. coincidence? probably not.

thunder really need to shoot better if they want to have any serious aspirations.

[ThunderBolt]

I’m sure presti is already in negotiations to bring in Stanley Johnson.

[Old Man Game]

I’m sure presti is already in negotiations to bring in Stanley Johnson.

Presti gonna get Fultz up in here and we'll be told how he robbed the Sixers.

[getrichordie]

Billy Donovan sticking up for Russ big time.

—

Clay Horning (Norman Transcript) on Thunder denial:

“Everybody can see it, everybody can feel it: Westbrook relishes the opportunity to do it himself, now, too much to let it pass. And the majority of the time, by taking that opportunity, he kills the Thunder’s opportunity. It has happened twice this season, first against Boston, Oklahoma City’s fourth loss to begin the season, and Saturday. Thunder coach Billy Donovan was asked specifically about Westbrook’s shot selection afterward. “I’ll go back and look at the film,” he said. “A lot of them were catch and shoot.” Except they weren’t. Most came in those moments the entire arena can sense Westbrook’s temptation to do something ill-advised. Donovan then said that Westbrook, like anybody, would probably want some of his shots back, who wouldn’t? He then segued to the need to get to the free throw line and he then said this. “Some of the 3s were good and some of them, honestly, probably weren’t so good,” he offered. “And I wouldn’t put that in Russell’s lap. I’d put that in our whole team’s lap.” Donovan might be the only one.”

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[Dadouv47]

https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-reportedly-ignoring-luke-waltons-play-calls-nobodys-surprise-210514450.html

Will he receive the same treatment as Westbrook on this topic?

Well to be fair Lebron has a very high BBIQ but still....

[anthony00]

https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-reportedly-ignoring-luke-waltons-play-calls-nobodys-surprise-210514450.html

Will he receive the same treatment as Westbrook on this topic?

Well to be fair Lebron has a very high BBIQ but still....

you know very well he won't lol people worship lebron like a god

[anthony00]

how do you block people ?

[ThunderBolt]

how do you block people ?

Click on their username. Then click “add foe”.

[anthony00]

how do you block people ?

Click on their username. Then click “add foe”.

thanks