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Post#1161 » by Pillendreher » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:50 am

Us being too cheap to buy a 2nd round pick is a very troubling sign going forward.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1162 » by Andre Roberstan » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:51 am

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bondom34 wrote:Talk me off.

Getting close to the ledge w/ Presti.


My piece will come out tomorrow, but basically:

Ferguson's numbers as a shooter weren't great, but it was mainly because he has an inconsistent hitch in his shot and he doesn't always set his feet. His mechanics are sound. Not just sound, downright pretty if he gets his feet set. It's not like you're drafting a non-shooter. He's also pretty good at catching wild passes (like a certain someone we know is occasionally wont to throw) and bringing them into his shooting pocket naturally in his shooting motion.

And he gets after it defensively and on the boards even if his body and understanding aren't there yet. He's not inept, he tries, and once his frame fills out he'll probably be at least solid.

In addition, from looking at some of the predraft stuff he's not a guy that wants to be the star of the show. I think there might be a lot of Tristan Thompson in him, in that he knows his role and stays in it. He's been playing against much older professionals for a couple of years now, guys who have it out for him because he's going to the NBA and they're not, and he's taken it in stride.

I don't love the pick. He's definitely an upside guy. But if he applies himself we could have a decent player.

Look forward to it. Still think they were one of the worst nights at the draft and sans Chicago can't think of a worse one. At this point there's so much work to get done, and no clue where it comes from. Can't even get rumors anywhere with this team.


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Post#1163 » by Pillendreher » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:20 am

Andre Roberstan wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Andre Roberstan wrote:
My piece will come out tomorrow, but basically:

Ferguson's numbers as a shooter weren't great, but it was mainly because he has an inconsistent hitch in his shot and he doesn't always set his feet. His mechanics are sound. Not just sound, downright pretty if he gets his feet set. It's not like you're drafting a non-shooter. He's also pretty good at catching wild passes (like a certain someone we know is occasionally wont to throw) and bringing them into his shooting pocket naturally in his shooting motion.

And he gets after it defensively and on the boards even if his body and understanding aren't there yet. He's not inept, he tries, and once his frame fills out he'll probably be at least solid.

In addition, from looking at some of the predraft stuff he's not a guy that wants to be the star of the show. I think there might be a lot of Tristan Thompson in him, in that he knows his role and stays in it. He's been playing against much older professionals for a couple of years now, guys who have it out for him because he's going to the NBA and they're not, and he's taken it in stride.

I don't love the pick. He's definitely an upside guy. But if he applies himself we could have a decent player.

Look forward to it. Still think they were one of the worst nights at the draft and sans Chicago can't think of a worse one. At this point there's so much work to get done, and no clue where it comes from. Can't even get rumors anywhere with this team.


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I'm so sick of that shtick. This isn't gonna fly anymore, now that we're in dire need of additional talent.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1164 » by Pillendreher » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:25 am

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We have never needed immediate help more, but hey, let's talk again in 3 years.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1165 » by Andre Roberstan » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:28 am

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We have never needed immediate help more, but hey, let's talk again in 3 years.


I'm kind of on this bandwagon too, but then again, how often does a rookie drafted 20s or later help in the first year?
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Post#1166 » by InTheSabonus » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:31 am

At the very least playing in Adelaide for a year would have him suitably prepared for the OKC lifestyle.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1167 » by spearsy23 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:24 am

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Pillendreher wrote:
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We have never needed immediate help more, but hey, let's talk again in 3 years.


I'm kind of on this bandwagon too, but then again, how often does a rookie drafted 20s or later help in the first year?

I'm on the other side. We need as much talent as possible, so if Ferguson was your bpa then you get him. The problem is that we had a chance to get immediate help in the form of Semi or Evans and passed on the opportunity. This Is where you wish you could be a fly on the wall, I can see Presti believing huestis is a better Semi at this stage (I doubt that's a popular opinion but I'm higher on huestis than anyone else) but he had to really be down on Evans to pass up that opportunity. Local kid, biggest position of need, skillset that directly fits our 'offense.' what could the reason possibly have been for not going and getting him?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1168 » by spearsy23 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:28 am

Also, I'm curious if we were targeting mason and the kings the took him earlier than we expected. I like Sacramento's draft though, even if the guys don't pan out it feels like they made the practical moves at every turn. Vlade may be learning.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1169 » by slick_watts » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:58 am

keep an eye out for sneaky thunder bloggers who carelessly drop the label '3 and D' on any wing player no matter what skills and attributes they possess. i've already caught one thunder blogger celebrating terrance ferguson's length and wingspan as a defensive tool. ferguson's 6'8 3/4" wingspan is the worst among wings on the thunder roster and poor for a player of his height.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1170 » by Old Man Game » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:06 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Andre Roberstan wrote:
My piece will come out tomorrow, but basically:

Ferguson's numbers as a shooter weren't great, but it was mainly because he has an inconsistent hitch in his shot and he doesn't always set his feet. His mechanics are sound. Not just sound, downright pretty if he gets his feet set. It's not like you're drafting a non-shooter. He's also pretty good at catching wild passes (like a certain someone we know is occasionally wont to throw) and bringing them into his shooting pocket naturally in his shooting motion.

And he gets after it defensively and on the boards even if his body and understanding aren't there yet. He's not inept, he tries, and once his frame fills out he'll probably be at least solid.

In addition, from looking at some of the predraft stuff he's not a guy that wants to be the star of the show. I think there might be a lot of Tristan Thompson in him, in that he knows his role and stays in it. He's been playing against much older professionals for a couple of years now, guys who have it out for him because he's going to the NBA and they're not, and he's taken it in stride.

I don't love the pick. He's definitely an upside guy. But if he applies himself we could have a decent player.

Look forward to it. Still think they were one of the worst nights at the draft and sans Chicago can't think of a worse one. At this point there's so much work to get done, and no clue where it comes from. Can't even get rumors anywhere with this team.


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Got to say, I found it disheartening. Speaks to how much of a wreck our roster is and how many of our future draft picks Presti has already dealt. That fact that we further couldn't even buy into the second round made me feel even worse about our situation.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1171 » by Old Man Game » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:08 pm

slick_watts wrote:keep an eye out for sneaky thunder bloggers who carelessly drop the label '3 and D' on any wing player no matter what skills and attributes they possess. i've already caught one thunder blogger celebrating terrance ferguson's length and wingspan as a defensive tool. ferguson's 6'8 3/4" wingspan is the worst among wings on the thunder roster and poor for a player of his height.


Fran Fraschilla on the ESPN broadcast was the first guy I heard say this, "big time 3 and D potential."
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Post#1172 » by slick_watts » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:09 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
slick_watts wrote:keep an eye out for sneaky thunder bloggers who carelessly drop the label '3 and D' on any wing player no matter what skills and attributes they possess. i've already caught one thunder blogger celebrating terrance ferguson's length and wingspan as a defensive tool. ferguson's 6'8 3/4" wingspan is the worst among wings on the thunder roster and poor for a player of his height.


Fran Fraschilla on the ESPN broadcast was the first guy I heard say this, "big time 3 and D potential."


this is becoming the 'gym rat' label for athletic wings without any skills.
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Post#1173 » by Old Man Game » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:16 pm

slick_watts wrote:
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slick_watts wrote:keep an eye out for sneaky thunder bloggers who carelessly drop the label '3 and D' on any wing player no matter what skills and attributes they possess. i've already caught one thunder blogger celebrating terrance ferguson's length and wingspan as a defensive tool. ferguson's 6'8 3/4" wingspan is the worst among wings on the thunder roster and poor for a player of his height.


Fran Fraschilla on the ESPN broadcast was the first guy I heard say this, "big time 3 and D potential."


this is becoming the 'gym rat' label for athletic wings without any skills.


It's weird how inconsistent some of those anthropomorphic measurements can be though. Just last year at the hoop summit Ferguson measured 6'9.5" wingspan. Obviously he didn't shrink. You wouldn't think with all the scouts around they'd shade his numbers for him (at least not be able to get away with it). Maybe not. Maybe Nike has incentive to generate interest in that event and do give their guys a little slack in their numbers.
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Post#1174 » by spearsy23 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:28 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
slick_watts wrote:keep an eye out for sneaky thunder bloggers who carelessly drop the label '3 and D' on any wing player no matter what skills and attributes they possess. i've already caught one thunder blogger celebrating terrance ferguson's length and wingspan as a defensive tool. ferguson's 6'8 3/4" wingspan is the worst among wings on the thunder roster and poor for a player of his height.


Fran Fraschilla on the ESPN broadcast was the first guy I heard say this, "big time 3 and D potential."


this is becoming the 'gym rat' label for athletic wings without any skills.

Don't really agree in this case. Everything I've watched and read about him supports the label. He's too small to be good defensively yet, but you can definitely see the effort and shooting was always considered his strength, he struggled a bit last season from three but most players do when moving from college to NBA line which is about the same as high school to international.
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Post#1175 » by slick_watts » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:45 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
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Fran Fraschilla on the ESPN broadcast was the first guy I heard say this, "big time 3 and D potential."


this is becoming the 'gym rat' label for athletic wings without any skills.

Don't really agree in this case. Everything I've watched and read about him supports the label. He's too small to be good defensively yet, but you can definitely see the effort and shooting was always considered his strength, he struggled a bit last season from three but most players do when moving from college to NBA line which is about the same as high school to international.


how many wings in the nba can guard multiple positions successfully with a short wingspan? length is an important component- and length has even been cited in ferguson's case as a reason for why he could become a 3 and D player. that's the part that's preposterous.

length is a limiting factor.
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Post#1176 » by ThunderBolt » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:58 pm

slick_watts wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
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this is becoming the 'gym rat' label for athletic wings without any skills.

Don't really agree in this case. Everything I've watched and read about him supports the label. He's too small to be good defensively yet, but you can definitely see the effort and shooting was always considered his strength, he struggled a bit last season from three but most players do when moving from college to NBA line which is about the same as high school to international.


how many wings in the nba can guard multiple positions successfully with a short wingspan? length is an important component- and length has even been cited in ferguson's case as a reason for why he could become a 3 and D player. that's the part that's preposterous.

length is a limiting factor.


It's a bigger issue for someone like Malik Monk who is several inches shorter and has a wingspan similar to his height. In the case of Ferguson, you can argue that he should have a longer wingspan for his height but a 6'8 wingspan for a SG isn't a bad thing, even if it would ideally be a couple inches longer.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1177 » by Old Man Game » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:00 pm

Personally I'm fine with him not being a true 3 and D guy. I just don't want someone like McDermott who is 3 and No D whatsoever. I hope Ferguson projects better defensively than Doug (though there are probably posters on this site who project better at D than Doug).
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Post#1178 » by ThunderBolt » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:04 pm

Of everything to be upset about last night, our selection at number 21 bothers me the least. Not moving up or getting a second round pick is more concerning.
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Post#1179 » by spearsy23 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 pm

slick_watts wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
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this is becoming the 'gym rat' label for athletic wings without any skills.

Don't really agree in this case. Everything I've watched and read about him supports the label. He's too small to be good defensively yet, but you can definitely see the effort and shooting was always considered his strength, he struggled a bit last season from three but most players do when moving from college to NBA line which is about the same as high school to international.


how many wings in the nba can guard multiple positions successfully with a short wingspan? length is an important component- and length has even been cited in ferguson's case as a reason for why he could become a 3 and D player. that's the part that's preposterous.

length is a limiting factor.

Eh, it's small for his height but it's not really small for a sg in general. And 3/d players don't have to guard 1-4 to be considered 3 and d.
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Re: 2017 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#1180 » by spearsy23 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 pm

What does this mean for Alex/vic long term? None of them can play the 3...
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