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Post#121 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Apr 7, 2019 11:07 pm

Funcrusher wrote:guys i think we should target in our range, in order of demand:

1. Talen Horton-Tucker: upside pick, positional versatility, improves depth at the guard/wing spot
2. Tyler Herro: fills an immediate role as a shooter at the guard position, off-ball weapon, plug and play
3. Deividas Sirvydis: see Herro
4. Matisse Thybulle: 3 and D guy, improves depth at the guard/wing spot
5. Grant Williams: physical screen setter, smart help defender, can play off-ball, potential long-term upside

if we end up with any of those guys i'll be a happy camper.

I still think Thybule seems like a reach at 18. He seems more like a second round guy to me.
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Post#122 » by Funcrusher » Sun Apr 7, 2019 11:29 pm

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Funcrusher wrote:guys i think we should target in our range, in order of demand:

1. Talen Horton-Tucker: upside pick, positional versatility, improves depth at the guard/wing spot
2. Tyler Herro: fills an immediate role as a shooter at the guard position, off-ball weapon, plug and play
3. Deividas Sirvydis: see Herro
4. Matisse Thybulle: 3 and D guy, improves depth at the guard/wing spot
5. Grant Williams: physical screen setter, smart help defender, can play off-ball, potential long-term upside

if we end up with any of those guys i'll be a happy camper.

I still think Thybule seems like a reach at 18. He seems more like a second round guy to me.

i disagree, he doesn't provide much besides spot up shooting offensively, but imo he could legitimately be the second best perimeter defender on our team right off the bat. Considering we don't know what Roberson will be if and when he returns i don't think it would hurt to pick up another guy that can slot in at the guard or wing spot and be another linchpin in our D. Whatever he can bring offensively would be a bonus.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft thread 

Post#123 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Apr 8, 2019 2:44 pm

Funcrusher wrote:
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Funcrusher wrote:guys i think we should target in our range, in order of demand:

1. Talen Horton-Tucker: upside pick, positional versatility, improves depth at the guard/wing spot
2. Tyler Herro: fills an immediate role as a shooter at the guard position, off-ball weapon, plug and play
3. Deividas Sirvydis: see Herro
4. Matisse Thybulle: 3 and D guy, improves depth at the guard/wing spot
5. Grant Williams: physical screen setter, smart help defender, can play off-ball, potential long-term upside

if we end up with any of those guys i'll be a happy camper.

I still think Thybule seems like a reach at 18. He seems more like a second round guy to me.

i disagree, he doesn't provide much besides spot up shooting offensively, but imo he could legitimately be the second best perimeter defender on our team right off the bat. Considering we don't know what Roberson will be if and when he returns i don't think it would hurt to pick up another guy that can slot in at the guard or wing spot and be another linchpin in our D. Whatever he can bring offensively would be a bonus.


I'm not against taking him I just don't see him as being deserving of being picked where we will be in the draft. His three point shooting was only 30% this year. He did shoot 85% from the line so I think he's more likely to be closer to what he was the previous years. However he's also a fourth year guy so the upside is a little lower. If we take him at 18-20, he may very well develop into a good rotation piece but it still seems like based on his body of work that I would rather take a player with more upside and then hope we can snag him in the second round like we did with Diallo.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft thread 

Post#124 » by Funcrusher » Mon Apr 8, 2019 7:57 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:I still think Thybule seems like a reach at 18. He seems more like a second round guy to me.

i disagree, he doesn't provide much besides spot up shooting offensively, but imo he could legitimately be the second best perimeter defender on our team right off the bat. Considering we don't know what Roberson will be if and when he returns i don't think it would hurt to pick up another guy that can slot in at the guard or wing spot and be another linchpin in our D. Whatever he can bring offensively would be a bonus.


I'm not against taking him I just don't see him as being deserving of being picked where we will be in the draft. His three point shooting was only 30% this year. He did shoot 85% from the line so I think he's more likely to be closer to what he was the previous years. However he's also a fourth year guy so the upside is a little lower. If we take him at 18-20, he may very well develop into a good rotation piece but it still seems like based on his body of work that I would rather take a player with more upside and then hope we can snag him in the second round like we did with Diallo.

fair enough. i will say though, after about the top 20-25, maybe even sooner, the quality of prospects in this draft kind of drops off. so i don't think it would be that risque to take Thybulle with our first rounder which happens to be in that range, even if you think in a normal draft he's more of a 2nd round guy, because you might not really have better options available.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft thread 

Post#125 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Apr 8, 2019 8:39 pm

Funcrusher wrote:
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Funcrusher wrote:i disagree, he doesn't provide much besides spot up shooting offensively, but imo he could legitimately be the second best perimeter defender on our team right off the bat. Considering we don't know what Roberson will be if and when he returns i don't think it would hurt to pick up another guy that can slot in at the guard or wing spot and be another linchpin in our D. Whatever he can bring offensively would be a bonus.


I'm not against taking him I just don't see him as being deserving of being picked where we will be in the draft. His three point shooting was only 30% this year. He did shoot 85% from the line so I think he's more likely to be closer to what he was the previous years. However he's also a fourth year guy so the upside is a little lower. If we take him at 18-20, he may very well develop into a good rotation piece but it still seems like based on his body of work that I would rather take a player with more upside and then hope we can snag him in the second round like we did with Diallo.

fair enough. i will say though, after about the top 20-25, maybe even sooner, the quality of prospects in this draft kind of drops off. so i don't think it would be that risque to take Thybulle with our first rounder which happens to be in that range, even if you think in a normal draft he's more of a 2nd round guy, because you might not really have better options available.



If we draft him and he's good, ultimately thats all that matters.
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Post#126 » by Dn4sty » Tue Apr 9, 2019 4:14 am

OKC could do far worse than Ty Jerome
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Post#127 » by ThunderBolt » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:44 am

The Boston Celtics and Oklahoma City Thunder both ended the season at 49-33. Tiebreakers will be used to decide which team picks 21 and which teams picks 22.
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Post#128 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:39 am

OKC won pick 21.
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Post#129 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:05 pm

Cam Reddish is a guy that is very polarizing. I think he gets taken too early because of being part of the big three at Duke. If he had played at a place like K-state I wonder how high he would be taken.
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Post#130 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:20 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Cam Reddish is a guy that is very polarizing. I think he gets taken too early because of being part of the big three at Duke. If he had played at a place like K-state I wonder how high he would be taken.


I think if he had going to K-State he would still be going in the top 10 and might be more of a lock for 5/6. He's a 6'9 wing that can handle the ball, shoot and is a great athlete. There isn't much not to like. He only shot 33% from 3, but he showed he could become a solid NBA 3pt shooter. He has to learn to play tougher and be more willing to initiate and take contact, but I think that will come. Right now I have him around 7-9. Even if he goes 5th I don't see that out of line in this draft. I wouldn't take him over Culver, but I could see a team like Atlanta or Cleveland take him over Garland because they have their PG already.

What wing(s) rated below him do you like better? White, Langford, Porter? I'm not saying Reddish is a franchise player or even going to be an annual all-star, but in this draft I don't think he's overrated. I like this draft less and less the more it approaches. I think Zion and Morant are the clear top two and they could end up more in line with Blake and Kyrie who are very good players, but not the guy you want to be the best player on your team when trying to win a championship. You can make a case for Barrett ending up better than both of them. This could easily be one of those drafts where the best player ends up being taken around 12th.
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Post#131 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:54 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:Cam Reddish is a guy that is very polarizing. I think he gets taken too early because of being part of the big three at Duke. If he had played at a place like K-state I wonder how high he would be taken.


I think if he had going to K-State he would still be going in the top 10 and might be more of a lock for 5/6. He's a 6'9 wing that can handle the ball, shoot and is a great athlete. There isn't much not to like. He only shot 33% from 3, but he showed he could become a solid NBA 3pt shooter. He has to learn to play tougher and be more willing to initiate and take contact, but I think that will come. Right now I have him around 7-9. Even if he goes 5th I don't see that out of line in this draft. I wouldn't take him over Culver, but I could see a team like Atlanta or Cleveland take him over Garland because they have their PG already.

What wing(s) rated below him do you like better? White, Langford, Porter? I'm not saying Reddish is a franchise player or even going to be an annual all-star, but in this draft I don't think he's overrated. I like this draft less and less the more it approaches. I think Zion and Morant are the clear top two and they could end up more in line with Blake and Kyrie who are very good players, but not the guy you want to be the best player on your team when trying to win a championship. You can make a case for Barrett ending up better than both of them. This could easily be one of those drafts where the best player ends up being taken around 12th.

There aren’t a ton of wings I would take before him but there are other non wing players that I think should go before him. I would probably take Langford before him due to the fact that it turns out he was playing with a hand injury. Cam didn’t shoot well this year and I’m not a fan of shooters that don’t shoot well. The thunder have had enough of those type of guys.
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Post#132 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:41 pm

I'm not worried about OKC trading up to get Cam and I expect Langford to be off the board before they pick. Assuming they stay put I think Alexander-Walker is the ideal pick at this point. He can come in as a 3&D guy as a rookie and could end up being more than that. If they want to go with a high risk/reward pick they could potentially move up a bit and get Kevin Porter, who has a huge variance on potential outcome ranging from Abrines to Harden. Porter might walk in as the best 3pt shooter on the team.
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Post#133 » by acheema0 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:49 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:Cam Reddish is a guy that is very polarizing. I think he gets taken too early because of being part of the big three at Duke. If he had played at a place like K-state I wonder how high he would be taken.


I think if he had going to K-State he would still be going in the top 10 and might be more of a lock for 5/6. He's a 6'9 wing that can handle the ball, shoot and is a great athlete. There isn't much not to like. He only shot 33% from 3, but he showed he could become a solid NBA 3pt shooter. He has to learn to play tougher and be more willing to initiate and take contact, but I think that will come. Right now I have him around 7-9. Even if he goes 5th I don't see that out of line in this draft. I wouldn't take him over Culver, but I could see a team like Atlanta or Cleveland take him over Garland because they have their PG already.

What wing(s) rated below him do you like better? White, Langford, Porter? I'm not saying Reddish is a franchise player or even going to be an annual all-star, but in this draft I don't think he's overrated. I like this draft less and less the more it approaches. I think Zion and Morant are the clear top two and they could end up more in line with Blake and Kyrie who are very good players, but not the guy you want to be the best player on your team when trying to win a championship. You can make a case for Barrett ending up better than both of them. This could easily be one of those drafts where the best player ends up being taken around 12th.

I don't think he should go in the Top 5, and he is severely overrated IMO. I'm not sure where this myth of him having great athleticism comes from. He shot 51% at the rim this season. That is absolutely abysmal (literally 0th percentile), and a terrible indicator for success at the next level, not to mention his overall shooting 37% on 2-point shots this year. Someone with his supposed athleticism would have been better at that no? And it's not about learning to take contact. There have been many players that have needed to learn how to take contact, and like pretty much all of them weren't as bad as Reddish shooting at the rim. Further, he barely handled the ball all year, even when Zion was out with injury. Saying he can handle the ball is based on what? The only reason he's being mocked as high is he is, is because of his high school rankings. A 3-star recruit who had his season wouldn't be drafted. Sometimes we're wrong about high schoolers.
And further on your statement that "this could easily be one of those drafts where the best players end up being take around 12", there is no way that would be the case, barring Zion suffering a career-threatening injury (knock on wood). He is an amazing prospect like legit one of the greatest college prospects ever. No one in this draft, even Morant or Culver or Barrett or whoever, stacks up to him at all.
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Post#134 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:22 am

acheema0 wrote:And further on your statement that "this could easily be one of those drafts where the best players end up being take around 12", there is no way that would be the case, barring Zion suffering a career-threatening injury (knock on wood). He is an amazing prospect like legit one of the greatest college prospects ever. No one in this draft, even Morant or Culver or Barrett or whoever, stacks up to him at all.


The same was said about Wiggins. Zion will be a very good player and I'd take him #1 without hesitation, but he seems a lot closer to Blake than Duncan to me. A very good player and yearly all-star, but not a guy that anchors your franchise for 15 years. I see him more as a great #2 on a championship team than the top guy. I could be wrong, but that is how I see him.
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Post#135 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:55 pm

I know he’s projected outside of our range but what are everyone’s thoughts on Sekou Doumbouya?
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Post#136 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:17 am

This thread needs to become a bigger deal. It’s our only hope.
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Post#137 » by oreojenkins » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:39 am

Zion absolutely carried that god awful Duke team. But hey, different strokes and these guys are all still young. So who knows. Barrett could at least get to the line a little... Reddish shot under 40% from both 2 and 3, didn't get to the line, didn't rebound, etc. His freshman year was basically poor man's Perry Jones. I'm contrarian by nature and wanted to be off Zion, but he was incredible. Like a less skilled more athletic Giannis. Just beastly.
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Post#138 » by kdthunderup » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:25 pm

Hopefully Presti drafts outside of the typical raw athletic freak mold this draft but the two times he has done that (Payne and Mcgary) he has shat the bed.
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Post#139 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:44 pm

kdthunderup wrote:Hopefully Presti drafts outside of the typical raw athletic freak mold this draft but the two times he has done that (Payne and Mcgary) he has shat the bed.

Sabonis was Presti’s pick via Orlando. He’s not really an athlete.
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Post#140 » by kdthunderup » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:54 pm

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kdthunderup wrote:Hopefully Presti drafts outside of the typical raw athletic freak mold this draft but the two times he has done that (Payne and Mcgary) he has shat the bed.

Sabonis was Presti’s pick via Orlando. He’s not really an athlete.

True forgot about him. Although I feel like we wasted his talents forcing him into a 3 & D role.

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