11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST

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Player(s) of the Game

Paul George | 27 PTS (9-24 FG, 4-14 3P), 9 REB
0
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Steven Adams | 11 PTS (5-10 FG), 15 REB
1
7%
Hamidou Diallo | 18 PTS (7-7 FG, 2-2 3P), 2 STL
11
73%
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot | 11 PTS (5-8 FG), 5 REB
2
13%
Other (specify below)
1
7%
 
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#121 » by slick_watts » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:29 am

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slick_watts wrote:russ would be so much better if he had control of his emotions and wasn't so volatile. he's leaving so much on the table with his attitude and approach to the game in this way. it's fun when it works and all fits together but on average he could be on another level if his decision making and attitude were more consistent.


It's so true. In a certain sense he's a waste of talent. I know that sounds absurd for as great as he is but you pair that athleticism with a smarter player he might be the best of this generation not named Lebron.


i draw a parallel to one of my favorite players of all time, gary payton. they were similar personalities on the court, russ is more mercurial while GP was a lot more adversarial. russ is way better than GP was of course but they both just so volatile in various ways that it makes you wonder how great it could have been. GP owned stockton when he was older but when stockton was in his prime he murdered him because he'd get all in his head and use his volatility against him. i thought about this last year during the playoffs when the jazz were in russ' head the first four games. it was so similar.

there are games russ plays where you're like wow he's got it then he has a game where he'll throw errant passes all day or get into a pissing contest with a scrub like darius miller.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#122 » by spearsy23 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:30 am

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slick_watts wrote:russ would be so much better if he had control of his emotions and wasn't so volatile. he's leaving so much on the table with his attitude and approach to the game in this way. it's fun when it works and all fits together but on average he could be on another level if his decision making and attitude were more consistent.


It's so true. In a certain sense he's a waste of talent. I know that sounds absurd for as great as he is but you pair that athleticism with a smarter player he might be the best of this generation not named Lebron.


This is so frustrating. This is what I’ve been saying since a couple of years ago. People are just now seeing it.


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This might be the most out of touch comment ever. People are just now seeing the thing that has been the biggest criticism of him for ten years? You're a God damn genius.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#123 » by Kizz Fastfists » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:30 am

getrichordie wrote:This is so frustrating. This is what I’ve been saying since a couple of years ago. People are just now seeing it.


Some people have seen it. Most of them knew that Russ should have been traded when kd left because OKC was never going to be a contender with Russ as their best player. OKC will continue to get the Russ show and he might be the single most exciting player in the NBA, but he's not going to lead to a team anywhere because he doesn't have the poise, composure and calm that is needed.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#124 » by Dn4sty » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:31 am

A couple of thoughts

1. It’s only one game
2. Billy with some super weird lineups
3. Everything was off tonight. So many fumbled passes, misses at the rim, etc....
4. I am not a fan of the Russ Schroder pairing in crunch time. I understand using it from time to time, but Billy has to have the freedom to move away from it.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#125 » by berlioz » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:31 am

Lots of hate for Westbrook here: he was pretty bad in the first half but by far the best player in the second: overall very good for his first game back. I understand it because he just came back and OKC now has its first loss in awhile, but I'd lean far more towards saying PG and Dennis missed shots they had been making in the previous games. It happens.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#126 » by slick_watts » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:32 am

spearsy23 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
It's so true. In a certain sense he's a waste of talent. I know that sounds absurd for as great as he is but you pair that athleticism with a smarter player he might be the best of this generation not named Lebron.


This is so frustrating. This is what I’ve been saying since a couple of years ago. People are just now seeing it.


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This might be the most out of touch comment ever. People are just now seeing the thing that has been the biggest criticism of him for ten years? You're a God damn genius.


red auerbach over here.
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Post#127 » by slick_watts » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:33 am

berlioz wrote:Lots of hate for Westbrook here: he was pretty bad in the first half but by far the best player in the second: overall very good for his first game back. I understand it because he just came back and OKC now has its first loss in awhile, but I'd lean far more towards saying PG and Dennis missed shots they have been making in the previous games. It happens.


my thoughts are that westbrook's volatility has wide ranging effects on the game. i.e. first half defense and playing pace in general dictated by him allowed the kings to do so much in transition and mismatches.

it wasn't the biggest problem in the game, but we should be getting a far bigger boost from a returning westbrook than we saw this evening, relative to how the team has played this year.
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Post#128 » by Kizz Fastfists » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:34 am

Dn4sty wrote:4. I am not a fan of the Russ Schroder pairing in crunch time. I understand using it from time to time, but Billy has to have the freedom to move away from it.


Schroder, according to him, was promised he would be closing games and playing starter minutes before they traded for him. Either Billy goes back on his word or it was promised by Presti and Donovan has to obey his boss. Either way he has no freedom to move away from it without getting disgruntled Schroder that cost Atlanta $28M (Melo buyout) to get off their roster.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#129 » by spearsy23 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:34 am

Old Man Game wrote:
slick_watts wrote:russ would be so much better if he had control of his emotions and wasn't so volatile. he's leaving so much on the table with his attitude and approach to the game in this way. it's fun when it works and all fits together but on average he could be on another level if his decision making and attitude were more consistent.


It's so true. In a certain sense he's a waste of talent. I know that sounds absurd for as great as he is but you pair that athleticism with a smarter player he might be the best of this generation not named Lebron.

I don't think you can ever call him a waste of talent. He's probably one of the least naturally gifted mvp caliber basketball players of all time. By all accounts he's an incredibly hard worker and the he's still not really smooth in any single facet of the game.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#130 » by Kiwi_thunder » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:34 am

spearsy23 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
It's so true. In a certain sense he's a waste of talent. I know that sounds absurd for as great as he is but you pair that athleticism with a smarter player he might be the best of this generation not named Lebron.


This is so frustrating. This is what I’ve been saying since a couple of years ago. People are just now seeing it.


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This might be the most out of touch comment ever. People are just now seeing the thing that has been the biggest criticism of him for ten years? You're a God damn genius.


I don't think Russ is ever going to change. This is what KD meant when he said he couldn't with with these Cats. Russ basically stuffs up any systems we have.
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Post#131 » by slick_watts » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:35 am

billy should make a no half court pass rule like we used to have a no alley oop rule with brooks. sometimes it works but we seem to be real cavalier with the long passes more often than not.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#132 » by Kiwi_thunder » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:38 am

slick_watts wrote:
berlioz wrote:Lots of hate for Westbrook here: he was pretty bad in the first half but by far the best player in the second: overall very good for his first game back. I understand it because he just came back and OKC now has its first loss in awhile, but I'd lean far more towards saying PG and Dennis missed shots they have been making in the previous games. It happens.


my thoughts are that westbrook's volatility has wide ranging effects on the game. i.e. first half defense and playing pace in general dictated by him allowed the kings to do so much in transition and mismatches.

it wasn't the biggest problem in the game, but we should be getting a far bigger boost from a returning westbrook than we saw this evening, relative to how the team has played this year.


Totally this - People seem to think that how Russ doesn't impact the whole team, including timing etc. When he plays at a super fast, out of control pace the whole team has to adjust on the fly. Also the delivery of his passes and when he delivers them impacts the other players.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#133 » by spearsy23 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:39 am

Kiwi_thunder wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
This is so frustrating. This is what I’ve been saying since a couple of years ago. People are just now seeing it.


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This might be the most out of touch comment ever. People are just now seeing the thing that has been the biggest criticism of him for ten years? You're a God damn genius.


I don't think Russ is ever going to change. This is what KD meant when he said he couldn't with with these Cats. Russ basically stuffs up any systems we have.

This is a great example of attaching your own feelings to another person. You might want to actually look that quote up.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#134 » by Osirus89 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:41 am

I would like to play the kings just once this season at full strength with Russ not coming back from injury. Just bleeping once.

It’s hard to beat any team when you spot them 12 points to start the game. Russ didn’t look very good, but that should be expected coming back from injury.

Donovan doesn’t know what the hell to do with the reduced wing depth at the moment.
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Post#135 » by spearsy23 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:42 am

slick_watts wrote:billy should make a no half court pass rule like we used to have a no alley oop rule with brooks. sometimes it works but we seem to be real cavalier with the long passes more often than not.

I'd be interested in the risk reward profile, we're not going to be good in the half court so it may be worth it.
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Post#136 » by spearsy23 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:44 am

How much better would this team be if we'd gotten a nemanja bjelica?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#137 » by Dn4sty » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:49 am

There is a massive gaping hole at PF on this team.
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Post#138 » by bondom34 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:51 am

And one game and rational discussion has again left the building on both sides.
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Post#139 » by slick_watts » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:52 am

spearsy23 wrote:How much better would this team be if we'd gotten a nemanja bjelica?


can't trust him. he did the sixers dirty.

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Re: 11/19 | G16: Oklahoma City Thunder at Sacramento Kings - 9PM CST 

Post#140 » by Osirus89 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:54 am

Dn4sty wrote:There is a massive gaping hole at PF on this team.

I miss serge :cry:

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