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getrichordie wrote:Dn4sty wrote:
Is that what you call what you do?
There it is. Lay it on nice and thick. Feel better now?
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getrichordie wrote:bondom34 wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Please don’t be one of those people who use the word literally in a figurative manner. That’s really annoying. Number two: I, in fact, do accept and even welcome rebuttals if it promotes a healthy discussion and not a condescending one and I do my best to try and refute certain if it is something I am against. I’m not against having a discussion at all.
Furthermore, what you are saying is merely imaginative. Simply because I may not agree with some popular opinions on here, that does not merit you saying all of this as it is well-documented that I do refute and respond to rebuttals. Maybe not all, but most and not all because I simply cannot spend all of my time on here debating everything.
So, please, I ask you for the sake of this board and the sake of my sanity, please put more thought into your responses.
I'd ask you to do so, but you never really have. From "da goat" to the Schroder/Westbrook stuff, to basically everything Westbrook, to a lot of the Grant takes, to thinking Roberson should be traded for JR Smith (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), to saying they aren't desperate for a wing. There's so much to refute I don't have the time and there's plenty of room to disagree but when logic flies out the window with most of these things it's just nonsensical and we've reached that when this many people are calling you out.
There's an old saying that goes something like when you walk into a room and it smells like poo, then walk into another room and it smells, and another and another, maybe you are the source of the smell. When this many people (and I count at least 4 in this thread alone) are doing it, maybe that's it.
I'll leave it there for your contemplation.
Just wow.
Didn’t realize my opinions bother you this much.
I don’t know what precisely you are referring to when you say “da goat” but that is something I just say when I get excited about how well a player is playing or when they make a play. Sounds like you have a stick up your arse if that’s something that bothers you.
As far as the Schroder/Westbrook stuff, it is my opinion that Schroder has played a little bit better and has been more consistent than Westbrook over this early season stretch. Prior to this game, the Schroder starters were a hair better than the Westbrook starters so I don’t think it’s that hot of a take. I’m not saying that it is because Westbrook is worse than Schroder as I wouldn’t dare **** on your lord and savior that bad. You might have a heart attack and as much as we disagree, I still respect you and wouldn’t wish that on you. And it is no secret that I have high expectations for our max players and it frustrates me so much when Westbrook settles for threes and just has his stretches where he makes really dumb decisions. Again, not sure how that is a crazy or controversial take or way of thinking. But please, enlighten me.
I don’t remember suggesting a Roberson for Smith trade but I wouldn’t be opposed to it from a purely basketball standpoint. This is not me trying to distance myself from that take, but me genuinely not remembering. I don’t think Roberson is a good fit for our new-look team. Do I think he can be useful in playoffs? Yes. If he returns back to normal, he can guard the best of the best, no doubt. But I have serious concerns about what his return means for our team dynamic and if he can even return back to normal where as Smith can actually defend enough and provide enough offense for Billy to utilize to bring a positive impact on this team. James was able to win a ring with Smith who has had big playoff performances. Smith also has Finals experience which counts for something. Even if it is to bring him off the bench if Abrines isn’t on or Westbrook isn’t on, he could provide that scoring output that is sorely needed.
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Dn4sty wrote:getrichordie wrote:Dn4sty wrote:
Is that what you call what you do?
There it is. Lay it on nice and thick. Feel better now?
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I appreciate some of what you say (I am being completely honest).
I just can’t get over how several posters are at times (not all the time with you) pot stirrers and contrarian just for the sake of doing so.
bondom34 wrote:getrichordie wrote:bondom34 wrote:I'd ask you to do so, but you never really have. From "da goat" to the Schroder/Westbrook stuff, to basically everything Westbrook, to a lot of the Grant takes, to thinking Roberson should be traded for JR Smith (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), to saying they aren't desperate for a wing. There's so much to refute I don't have the time and there's plenty of room to disagree but when logic flies out the window with most of these things it's just nonsensical and we've reached that when this many people are calling you out.
There's an old saying that goes something like when you walk into a room and it smells like poo, then walk into another room and it smells, and another and another, maybe you are the source of the smell. When this many people (and I count at least 4 in this thread alone) are doing it, maybe that's it.
I'll leave it there for your contemplation.
Just wow.
Didn’t realize my opinions bother you this much.
I don’t know what precisely you are referring to when you say “da goat” but that is something I just say when I get excited about how well a player is playing or when they make a play. Sounds like you have a stick up your arse if that’s something that bothers you.
As far as the Schroder/Westbrook stuff, it is my opinion that Schroder has played a little bit better and has been more consistent than Westbrook over this early season stretch. Prior to this game, the Schroder starters were a hair better than the Westbrook starters so I don’t think it’s that hot of a take. I’m not saying that it is because Westbrook is worse than Schroder as I wouldn’t dare **** on your lord and savior that bad. You might have a heart attack and as much as we disagree, I still respect you and wouldn’t wish that on you. And it is no secret that I have high expectations for our max players and it frustrates me so much when Westbrook settles for threes and just has his stretches where he makes really dumb decisions. Again, not sure how that is a crazy or controversial take or way of thinking. But please, enlighten me.
I don’t remember suggesting a Roberson for Smith trade but I wouldn’t be opposed to it from a purely basketball standpoint. This is not me trying to distance myself from that take, but me genuinely not remembering. I don’t think Roberson is a good fit for our new-look team. Do I think he can be useful in playoffs? Yes. If he returns back to normal, he can guard the best of the best, no doubt. But I have serious concerns about what his return means for our team dynamic and if he can even return back to normal where as Smith can actually defend enough and provide enough offense for Billy to utilize to bring a positive impact on this team. James was able to win a ring with Smith who has had big playoff performances. Smith also has Finals experience which counts for something. Even if it is to bring him off the bench if Abrines isn’t on or Westbrook isn’t on, he could provide that scoring output that is sorely needed.
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You actually did, you don't remember this from literally 2 weeks ago?
viewtopic.php?f=334&t=1756745&start=200#p69978815
You wanted to toss Ferguson in too! JR's been bad for years, and never worth his contract.
To add to that, Schroder played the Suns 3 times and the Cavs and Knicks, I for one am shocked he could beat those teams, so him having a good net rating means he can lead a team with PG that's not worse than them. Thats not informative, especially when prior to tonight Westbrook's on court net rating was 12.1 and his was 9.9. So he's played worse teams and lead the team worse.
The whole JR thing I wont even go into because there's a lot of bad players with Finals experience and by that means Perk had Finals experience when he was in OKC. He just stunk, so being there wasn't helping.
Again, I'll let it there now, because I don't dislike you in any personal way but when everyone's doing this in the same thread I think you really need to reconsider. Good night to you and hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
getrichordie wrote:bondom34 wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Just wow.
Didn’t realize my opinions bother you this much.
I don’t know what precisely you are referring to when you say “da goat” but that is something I just say when I get excited about how well a player is playing or when they make a play. Sounds like you have a stick up your arse if that’s something that bothers you.
As far as the Schroder/Westbrook stuff, it is my opinion that Schroder has played a little bit better and has been more consistent than Westbrook over this early season stretch. Prior to this game, the Schroder starters were a hair better than the Westbrook starters so I don’t think it’s that hot of a take. I’m not saying that it is because Westbrook is worse than Schroder as I wouldn’t dare **** on your lord and savior that bad. You might have a heart attack and as much as we disagree, I still respect you and wouldn’t wish that on you. And it is no secret that I have high expectations for our max players and it frustrates me so much when Westbrook settles for threes and just has his stretches where he makes really dumb decisions. Again, not sure how that is a crazy or controversial take or way of thinking. But please, enlighten me.
I don’t remember suggesting a Roberson for Smith trade but I wouldn’t be opposed to it from a purely basketball standpoint. This is not me trying to distance myself from that take, but me genuinely not remembering. I don’t think Roberson is a good fit for our new-look team. Do I think he can be useful in playoffs? Yes. If he returns back to normal, he can guard the best of the best, no doubt. But I have serious concerns about what his return means for our team dynamic and if he can even return back to normal where as Smith can actually defend enough and provide enough offense for Billy to utilize to bring a positive impact on this team. James was able to win a ring with Smith who has had big playoff performances. Smith also has Finals experience which counts for something. Even if it is to bring him off the bench if Abrines isn’t on or Westbrook isn’t on, he could provide that scoring output that is sorely needed.
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You actually did, you don't remember this from literally 2 weeks ago?
viewtopic.php?f=334&t=1756745&start=200#p69978815
You wanted to toss Ferguson in too! JR's been bad for years, and never worth his contract.
To add to that, Schroder played the Suns 3 times and the Cavs and Knicks, I for one am shocked he could beat those teams, so him having a good net rating means he can lead a team with PG that's not worse than them. Thats not informative, especially when prior to tonight Westbrook's on court net rating was 12.1 and his was 9.9. So he's played worse teams and lead the team worse.
The whole JR thing I wont even go into because there's a lot of bad players with Finals experience and by that means Perk had Finals experience when he was in OKC. He just stunk, so being there wasn't helping.
Again, I'll let it there now, because I don't dislike you in any personal way but when everyone's doing this in the same thread I think you really need to reconsider. Good night to you and hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
Nah, sorry man. I genuinely didn’t remember as I have had a super full plate as of late. Anyways, two weeks ago, I was pretty low on Ferguson, but my opinion has changed on Ferguson since then. Also, the play of Jeremy Lin has changed my mind on what level Roberson could possibly return to whereas previously I was going off of how past ruptured patellar tendons have affected players careers.
I will concede that it wasn’t the best of trade suggestions, but I’m not sure moving on from Roberson and bringing in JR Smith would be a bad thing. Our defense has looked fine, but our offense has sputtered at times and I think bringing in a veteran shooter off the bench could help that.
And we can dissect who Schroder and Westbrook played and all of that, but using the eye test, I preferred (by just a bit) Schroder’s control of pace, shot selection and defense over Westbrook’s. Of course, Westbrook has looked out of sorts since he has some catching up to do, but nonetheless, overall I was impressed with Schroder’s decision-making and overall control of the game when he was on the court versus Westbrook.
And isn’t your refusal to get into the JR Smith thing exactly what you are critiquing me for?
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bondom34 wrote:getrichordie wrote:bondom34 wrote:You actually did, you don't remember this from literally 2 weeks ago?
viewtopic.php?f=334&t=1756745&start=200#p69978815
You wanted to toss Ferguson in too! JR's been bad for years, and never worth his contract.
To add to that, Schroder played the Suns 3 times and the Cavs and Knicks, I for one am shocked he could beat those teams, so him having a good net rating means he can lead a team with PG that's not worse than them. Thats not informative, especially when prior to tonight Westbrook's on court net rating was 12.1 and his was 9.9. So he's played worse teams and lead the team worse.
The whole JR thing I wont even go into because there's a lot of bad players with Finals experience and by that means Perk had Finals experience when he was in OKC. He just stunk, so being there wasn't helping.
Again, I'll let it there now, because I don't dislike you in any personal way but when everyone's doing this in the same thread I think you really need to reconsider. Good night to you and hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
Nah, sorry man. I genuinely didn’t remember as I have had a super full plate as of late. Anyways, two weeks ago, I was pretty low on Ferguson, but my opinion has changed on Ferguson since then. Also, the play of Jeremy Lin has changed my mind on what level Roberson could possibly return to whereas previously I was going off of how past ruptured patellar tendons have affected players careers.
I will concede that it wasn’t the best of trade suggestions, but I’m not sure moving on from Roberson and bringing in JR Smith would be a bad thing. Our defense has looked fine, but our offense has sputtered at times and I think bringing in a veteran shooter off the bench could help that.
And we can dissect who Schroder and Westbrook played and all of that, but using the eye test, I preferred (by just a bit) Schroder’s control of pace, shot selection and defense over Westbrook’s. Of course, Westbrook has looked out of sorts since he has some catching up to do, but nonetheless, overall I was impressed with Schroder’s decision-making and overall control of the game when he was on the court versus Westbrook.
And isn’t your refusal to get into the JR Smith thing exactly what you are critiquing me for?
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No, my refusal to go into it is because he's a bad player and I could just link his BBR page.
As for Westbrook/Schroder, again, you're doing the thing people always call you for so I'll let it there. Basically again, you don't like Westbrook so even though he's been better you say you don't think he has. Which is fine but when that's the line its ludicrous. The bar keeps getting lower and lower and lower and soon you'd rather Felton over him. But I'll let it alone now and just ignore from now on because it's not worth the time or effort. Good night.
getrichordie wrote:bondom34 wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Nah, sorry man. I genuinely didn’t remember as I have had a super full plate as of late. Anyways, two weeks ago, I was pretty low on Ferguson, but my opinion has changed on Ferguson since then. Also, the play of Jeremy Lin has changed my mind on what level Roberson could possibly return to whereas previously I was going off of how past ruptured patellar tendons have affected players careers.
I will concede that it wasn’t the best of trade suggestions, but I’m not sure moving on from Roberson and bringing in JR Smith would be a bad thing. Our defense has looked fine, but our offense has sputtered at times and I think bringing in a veteran shooter off the bench could help that.
And we can dissect who Schroder and Westbrook played and all of that, but using the eye test, I preferred (by just a bit) Schroder’s control of pace, shot selection and defense over Westbrook’s. Of course, Westbrook has looked out of sorts since he has some catching up to do, but nonetheless, overall I was impressed with Schroder’s decision-making and overall control of the game when he was on the court versus Westbrook.
And isn’t your refusal to get into the JR Smith thing exactly what you are critiquing me for?
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No, my refusal to go into it is because he's a bad player and I could just link his BBR page.
As for Westbrook/Schroder, again, you're doing the thing people always call you for so I'll let it there. Basically again, you don't like Westbrook so even though he's been better you say you don't think he has. Which is fine but when that's the line its ludicrous. The bar keeps getting lower and lower and lower and soon you'd rather Felton over him. But I'll let it alone now and just ignore from now on because it's not worth the time or effort. Good night.
You surmise that I don’t like Westbrook because I’ve been critical of him, but that doesn’t make any sense. Being critical of someone doesn’t mean you don’t like them. I don’t like some stretches of Westbrook basketball (just like I’m sure some others would agree), but he’s one of the main reasons the Thunder are my favorite team.
Again, you are acting as if saying Schroder has played better basketball than Westbrook over this early stretch is some scorching hot take that is just crazy to even think. You act as if it is on some level personally offensive to you. It’s okay to have differing opinions, man. The sky isn’t going to fall out if I don’t agree with you.
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bondom34 wrote:getrichordie wrote:bondom34 wrote:No, my refusal to go into it is because he's a bad player and I could just link his BBR page.
As for Westbrook/Schroder, again, you're doing the thing people always call you for so I'll let it there. Basically again, you don't like Westbrook so even though he's been better you say you don't think he has. Which is fine but when that's the line its ludicrous. The bar keeps getting lower and lower and lower and soon you'd rather Felton over him. But I'll let it alone now and just ignore from now on because it's not worth the time or effort. Good night.
You surmise that I don’t like Westbrook because I’ve been critical of him, but that doesn’t make any sense. Being critical of someone doesn’t mean you don’t like them. I don’t like some stretches of Westbrook basketball (just like I’m sure some others would agree), but he’s one of the main reasons the Thunder are my favorite team.
Again, you are acting as if saying Schroder has played better basketball than Westbrook over this early stretch is some scorching hot take that is just crazy to even think. You act as if it is on some level personally offensive to you. It’s okay to have differing opinions, man. The sky isn’t going to fall out if I don’t agree with you.
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It's because it's not critical to a rational sense. Krnzts called you for it earlier, you harp and don't give credit. And no, statistically he hasn't been better. It doesn't offend me at all, it just isn't correct. You're free to disagree, you're also free to say the sky is orange and disagree with me saying its blue. You'd be incorrect in both assessments. Better on court rating, against the harder opponents, while scoring more on better efficiency, a better assist/TO ratio, BPM, WS/48, PPG, APG, RPB, SPG.
For the last time though I'll leave it there, good night. Might try to catch the Nuggets game while I'm watching football.
Was it because of Graham? I can't remember but at various points Charlotte had effectively a two point guard lineup when Graham was out there. Donovan may have just thought he was matching up.Pillendreher wrote:Frustrating game to watch, honestly. I didn't like our defensive approach at all. And it had a lot do with Westbrook just standing in space, switching every possible defensive assignment and not even sticking with his man most of the time. He looked like he got a little better fitness wise as the game went on (He started going to the rim at the end of it), but man, this cannot go on like this. Rotations were out of whack, players were out of position. This was last year's defense, which is what we can't play without Roberson.
Oh and then there's putting Felton on the floor. That almost cost us the game. It let Charlotte back in and we didn't have any offensive rhythm at all in the 4th quarter. Why on earth did Donovan do that? We have been beyond horrible with Felton on the floor this year. Just keep him off the floor.
Old Man Game wrote:Was it because of Graham? I can't remember but at various points Charlotte had effectively a two point guard lineup when Graham was out there. Donovan may have just thought he was matching up.Pillendreher wrote:Frustrating game to watch, honestly. I didn't like our defensive approach at all. And it had a lot do with Westbrook just standing in space, switching every possible defensive assignment and not even sticking with his man most of the time. He looked like he got a little better fitness wise as the game went on (He started going to the rim at the end of it), but man, this cannot go on like this. Rotations were out of whack, players were out of position. This was last year's defense, which is what we can't play without Roberson.
Oh and then there's putting Felton on the floor. That almost cost us the game. It let Charlotte back in and we didn't have any offensive rhythm at all in the 4th quarter. Why on earth did Donovan do that? We have been beyond horrible with Felton on the floor this year. Just keep him off the floor.
But you're right, Felton was terrible.
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getrichordie wrote:but using the eye test
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
getrichordie wrote:
So I had to do a little more statistical digging so I can put what I’m seeing in numbers to help you understand. I admit, I’m not the best at using stats, but I understand enough to get me in trouble.
If you look at the 11-2 run we’ve had, Schroder has a slightly better NetRtg and has significantly better NetRtgs in 2-man lineups with Grant, George, Adams and Noel over that stretch as compared to Westbrook.
I’ll do a little more in-depth statistical analysis sometime later, but for now that’s what I’ve found.
Obviously the numbers I’m showing and the numbers you’ve shown aren’t the only way to paint a pictures so I will continue digging to help you see what I am seeing. Maybe you will insist that we put the #s in from 0-4 start, but I’ve completely discounted that start in my head as I feel it was an adjustment period for the new guys.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
Pillendreher wrote:Old Man Game wrote:Was it because of Graham? I can't remember but at various points Charlotte had effectively a two point guard lineup when Graham was out there. Donovan may have just thought he was matching up.Pillendreher wrote:Frustrating game to watch, honestly. I didn't like our defensive approach at all. And it had a lot do with Westbrook just standing in space, switching every possible defensive assignment and not even sticking with his man most of the time. He looked like he got a little better fitness wise as the game went on (He started going to the rim at the end of it), but man, this cannot go on like this. Rotations were out of whack, players were out of position. This was last year's defense, which is what we can't play without Roberson.
Oh and then there's putting Felton on the floor. That almost cost us the game. It let Charlotte back in and we didn't have any offensive rhythm at all in the 4th quarter. Why on earth did Donovan do that? We have been beyond horrible with Felton on the floor this year. Just keep him off the floor.
But you're right, Felton was terrible.
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Not to start the 4th, no.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/plus-minus/201811230OKC.html
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
spearsy23 wrote:I don't think it's a surprise Felton played last night with schroder starting at sg.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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