Thunder Offseason Thread Part Deux: Rebuild

[Old Man Game]

I still haven't quite come to terms with how strange that first Thunder game is going to be with this lineup. No Russ. No George. Chris Paul and Gallo introduced. I can imagine watching it but I think seeing it is going to be next level weird.

[thor19]

I still haven't quite come to terms with how strange that first Thunder game is going to be with this lineup. No Russ. No George. Chris Paul and Gallo introduced. I can imagine watching it but I think seeing it is going to be next level weird.

Do you think we roll with this team or do we make a trade , Gallo and cp3 will be midseason trade , but adams , schroder, patterson?

[thor19]

My only fear is that presti want to build around cp3 long term

[Thundershock88]

I'm actually very excited to watch this team. Smart players who can shoot. This is going to be fun.

[spearsy23]

I'm actually very excited to watch this team. Smart players who can shoot. This is going to be fun.

It should be fun basketball! And then the bench will come in...

[spearsy23]

My only fear is that presti want to build around cp3 long term

Chris Paul won't even be in the NBA long term.

[Dadouv47]

I'm actually very excited to watch this team. Smart players who can shoot. This is going to be fun.

It should be fun basketball! And then the bench will come in...

Well we still need to tank. That's why a Nader/Burton/Schroeder line up will help us tremendously.

[ThunderBolt]

I still haven't quite come to terms with how strange that first Thunder game is going to be with this lineup. No Russ. No George. Chris Paul and Gallo introduced. I can imagine watching it but I think seeing it is going to be next level weird.

Do you think we roll with this team or do we make a trade , Gallo and cp3 will be midseason trade , but adams , schroder, patterson?

I think Presti will roll with this team if a trade can’t be made. I think woj’s tweets yesterday were true but also a negotiating tactic. Whatever the negotiations stalled over, Presti isn’t willing to cave and will wait it out. Lots of people in the media want to trash OKC right now and I just don’t get it. Zach Lowe said we would be lucky to trade russ without giving up assets. We got two potentially good picks and two pick swaps.

Everyone acts like the CP3 contract is some kind of a problem for us. What if we kept this team and made the playoffs? Maybe Presti would realize that shooting is important. What is most likely is that even if Paul starts out with this team, we miss the playoffs. I can’t imagine that in the event we can’t trade Paul that Presti lets Gallo walk away for nothing. We may start out with a decent team but will be tanking before the end of the year. Finishing in undisputed last place isn’t a huge deal.

[ThunderBolt]

http://koco.com/article/ocpd-man-makes-death-threats-against-gm-sam-presti-thunder-staff-after-paul-george-trade/28428652?src=app
Apparently the call originated in Va. I would have guessed Germany.

[acheema0]

Read on Twitter

This is interesting to say the least.

[Dadouv47]

Read on Twitter

This is interesting to say the least.

Damn this is terrible. Second round pick if Houston hits a top 4? damn

Huge incentive for Houston to tank hard in 2024 and 2026 if they have to.

[Whole Truth]

Read on Twitter

This is interesting to say the least.

Damn this is terrible. Second round pick if Houston hits a top 4? damn

Huge incentive for Houston to tank hard in 2024 and 2026 if they have to.

The new Lottery system makes that a bad strategy. Houston is just protecting themselves from giving up a top 5 pick if they happen to be bad. Harden will be 34.

What's interesting of the protections is in 2021, Heat can retain their pick if they're better than Houston. It appears to me that OKC/Houston arranged the swap that way to entice Miami to try & be better, trade for Paul... It will come as though Houston traded their 2021 pick to Miami if they found a way to be good.

[Dadouv47]

Read on Twitter

This is interesting to say the least.

Damn this is terrible. Second round pick if Houston hits a top 4? damn

Huge incentive for Houston to tank hard in 2024 and 2026 if they have to.

The new Lottery system makes that a bad strategy. Houston is just protecting themselves from giving up a top 5 pick if they happen to be bad. Harden will be 34.

What's interesting of the protections is in 2021, Heat can retain their pick if they're better than Houston. It appears to me that OKC/Houston arranged the swap that way to entice Miami to try & be better, trade for Paul... It will come as though Houston traded their 2021 pick to Miami if they found a way to be good.

What? the 2021 miami pick is unprotected. The 2023 gets top 15 protection.

[Whole Truth]

Damn this is terrible. Second round pick if Houston hits a top 4? damn

Huge incentive for Houston to tank hard in 2024 and 2026 if they have to.

The new Lottery system makes that a bad strategy. Houston is just protecting themselves from giving up a top 5 pick if they happen to be bad. Harden will be 34.

What's interesting of the protections is in 2021, Heat can retain their pick if they're better than Houston. It appears to me that OKC/Houston arranged the swap that way to entice Miami to try & be better, trade for Paul... It will come as though Houston traded their 2021 pick to Miami if they found a way to be good.

What? the 2021 miami pick is unprotected. The 2023 gets top 15 protection.

2021 first round draft pick from Miami and/or Houston (two most favorable incl. Oklahoma City)
Oklahoma City will receive the two most favorable of its 2021 1st round pick, Miami's 2021 1st round pick and Houston's 2021 1st round pick protected for selections 1-4

The Heat pick maybe unprotected if they're bad but if they're good, they will retain the pick being the least favorable of the 3.

That's the incentive to make a play to be better, encourage Miami to potentially trade for Paul.

[Dadouv47]

The new Lottery system makes that a bad strategy. Houston is just protecting themselves from giving up a top 5 pick if they happen to be bad. Harden will be 34.

What's interesting of the protections is in 2021, Heat can retain their pick if they're better than Houston. It appears to me that OKC/Houston arranged the swap that way to entice Miami to try & be better, trade for Paul... It will come as though Houston traded their 2021 pick to Miami if they found a way to be good.

What? the 2021 miami pick is unprotected. The 2023 gets top 15 protection.

2021 first round draft pick from Miami and/or Houston (two most favorable incl. Oklahoma City)
Oklahoma City will receive the two most favorable of its 2021 1st round pick, Miami's 2021 1st round pick and Houston's 2021 1st round pick protected for selections 1-4

The Heat pick maybe unprotected if they're bad but if they're good, they will retain the pick being the least favorable of the 3.

That's the incentive to make a play to be better, encourage Miami to potentially trade for Paul.

From what I understood, the pick swap is with Houston so if we take our pick and the Houston pick, Houston gets the miami pick. Am I wrong?

Houston still has a 2021 first round pick. Not Miami.

[Pillendreher]

http://koco.com/article/ocpd-man-makes-death-threats-against-gm-sam-presti-thunder-staff-after-paul-george-trade/28428652?src=app
Apparently the call originated in Va. I would have guessed Germany.

That guy is fighting for us all. I'll keep him in my prayers.

[Old Man Game]

http://koco.com/article/ocpd-man-makes-death-threats-against-gm-sam-presti-thunder-staff-after-paul-george-trade/28428652?src=app
Apparently the call originated in Va. I would have guessed Germany.

I'd never send someone a death threat because that's **** stuff. But do I understand this correctly that there's a line somewhere where I can call to complain about the coaches and front office? Because that's pretty g.d. funny if so. Imagine being the poor low level staffer that has to listen to those calls.

[Whole Truth]

What? the 2021 miami pick is unprotected. The 2023 gets top 15 protection.

2021 first round draft pick from Miami and/or Houston (two most favorable incl. Oklahoma City)
Oklahoma City will receive the two most favorable of its 2021 1st round pick, Miami's 2021 1st round pick and Houston's 2021 1st round pick protected for selections 1-4

The Heat pick maybe unprotected if they're bad but if they're good, they will retain the pick being the least favorable of the 3.

That's the incentive to make a play to be better, encourage Miami to potentially trade for Paul.

From what I understood, the pick swap is with Houston so if we take our pick and the Houston pick, Houston gets the miami pick. Am I wrong?

Houston still has a 2021 first round pick. Not Miami.

Houston 2021 is a swap pick, they keep their 2021 swap if they're the least of OKC & Miami.

Miami keeps their 2021 pick if they're the least of OKC & Houston.

OKC get the most favorable of the 3 picks

If OKC is the least of the picks, Houston swaps with OKC & they get the OKC 2021

If Houston is the least of the picks, Miami doesn't get a pick. Miami only gets to keep their pick if they're the least of OKC & Houston of the 3 picks. OKC basically used the Houston swap to potentially give the Heat their 2021 pick back, only if they're better than OKC & Houston.

[slick_watts]

I still haven't quite come to terms with how strange that first Thunder game is going to be with this lineup. No Russ. No George. Chris Paul and Gallo introduced. I can imagine watching it but I think seeing it is going to be next level weird.

Do you think we roll with this team or do we make a trade , Gallo and cp3 will be midseason trade , but adams , schroder, patterson?

I think Presti will roll with this team if a trade can’t be made. I think woj’s tweets yesterday were true but also a negotiating tactic. Whatever the negotiations stalled over, Presti isn’t willing to cave and will wait it out. Lots of people in the media want to trash OKC right now and I just don’t get it. Zach Lowe said we would be lucky to trade russ without giving up assets. We got two potentially good picks and two pick swaps.

Everyone acts like the CP3 contract is some kind of a problem for us. What if we kept this team and made the playoffs? Maybe Presti would realize that shooting is important. What is most likely is that even if Paul starts out with this team, we miss the playoffs. I can’t imagine that in the event we can’t trade Paul that Presti lets Gallo walk away for nothing. We may start out with a decent team but will be tanking before the end of the year. Finishing in undisputed last place isn’t a huge deal.

i think the only way that cp3 staying becomes bad for us is if the team performs well and we make short term moves using long term assets to try and stay relevant. if we don't do that it's not a big deal. and it could be beneficial.

gallinari might be another story. he's expiring and he could be super useful to a lot of teams. rolling the dice with his injury history and playing him to start the year is more or less gambling a 1st round pick, since that's probably what he's worth.

[Balkman32]

there's a lot of talk that no other team would have interest in him. why would minnesota want him?

They can't attract free agents. He's still at least really good even if he isn't what he once was. Teague is in the last year of his deal.

They just had their best shot at getting one w/ De'Angelo Russell. They have to trade for something if they want to get better.