2020-21 Around The NBA Thread

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I root for small markets so I think this is good. I really hope the bucks can regroup after their offseason debacle.

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I root for small markets so I think this is good. I really hope the bucks can regroup after their offseason debacle.

Same. Happy for the Bucks and good for the league.

So much salt in the Miami Heat subforum, it's hilarious.

If Miami wants to trade 1st picks for Harden they should remove the protection on the 2023 pick!? Kind of lost about this.

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I root for small markets so I think this is good. I really hope the bucks can regroup after their offseason debacle.

Same. Happy for the Bucks and good for the league.

So much salt in the Miami Heat subforum, it's hilarious.

If Miami wants to trade 1st picks for Harden they should remove the protection on the 2023 pick!? Kind of lost about this.

I would like to see them win it once during the time we aren’t competing. I just can’t realistically see a way to improve their team much more. Maybe Divencenzo gets a lot better.

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Good for Milwaukee, although I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit salty that they were able to keep their superstar when we didn't despite having a better team.

Gobert has to be the next potential FA to keep tabs on, right? Utah won't give him a max, but none of the projected big cap space teams seem likely to chase him with the possible exception of Toronto. Dallas and Miami both seem like poor fits given Porzingis and Bam, maybe a surprise team like the Spurs decides to go for it.

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"Several playoff-caliber teams in the Eastern and Western conferences tell ESPN that they're finding increased comfort in committing high-level trade assets in talks to acquire Harden. The Rockets have ongoing discussions on several fronts and have been communicating with Harden about those scenarios, sources said.

Several teams tell ESPN that they're feeling less inhibited about trading for Harden without an assurance that he'd re-sign once he can become a free agent in two years."

Ben Simmons also has been made available, but sounds like Houston wants quite a bit on top of that which Philly isn't willing to do. Looking like that pick this year has the chance to be pretty good.

[Dadouv47]

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Indeed...

Doesn't look good for us

[ThunderBolt]

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Indeed...

Doesn't look good for us

You think Simmons and wall make the playoffs in the west?

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Indeed...

Doesn't look good for us

You think Simmons and wall make the playoffs in the west?

My answer would be an easy no 2 weeks ago but now that I saw John Wall playing well...no idea. Depends of health (Cousins/Wall) and if they trade Tucker with Harden.

But saying it doesn't look good for us was mostly about the future picks. If they trade Harden ASAP it's good for our pick swap but long term for the 2024/2026 picks is another story...scared that Houston will get way too much for Harden after Jrue got traded for 3 FRP and 2 pick swaps.

Well I guess a lot ot things can happen between now and then so better hope for a 10-15 pick in the next draft.

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Indeed...

Doesn't look good for us

You think Simmons and wall make the playoffs in the west?

My answer would be an easy no 2 weeks ago but now that I saw John Wall playing well...no idea. Depends of health (Cousins/Wall) and if they trade Tucker with Harden.

But saying it doesn't look good for us was mostly about the future picks. If they trade Harden ASAP it's good for our pick swap but long term for the 2024/2026 picks is another story...scared that Houston will get way too much for Harden after Jrue got traded for 3 FRP and 2 pick swaps.

Well I guess a lot ot things can happen between now and then so better hope for a 10-15 pick in the next draft.

If they miss the playoffs this year, that’s pretty ideal in my opinion. It gives us a chance at a good pick in a great draft. I like Simmons more than a lot of people but pairing him with wall could be brutal. I think it’s way too early to panic. Maybe Houston wants their picks back and we can get Simmons.

[Dadouv47]

You think Simmons and wall make the playoffs in the west?

My answer would be an easy no 2 weeks ago but now that I saw John Wall playing well...no idea. Depends of health (Cousins/Wall) and if they trade Tucker with Harden.

But saying it doesn't look good for us was mostly about the future picks. If they trade Harden ASAP it's good for our pick swap but long term for the 2024/2026 picks is another story...scared that Houston will get way too much for Harden after Jrue got traded for 3 FRP and 2 pick swaps.

Well I guess a lot ot things can happen between now and then so better hope for a 10-15 pick in the next draft.

If they miss the playoffs this year, that’s pretty ideal in my opinion. It gives us a chance at a good pick in a great draft. I like Simmons more than a lot of people but pairing him with wall could be brutal. I think it’s way too early to panic. Maybe Houston wants their picks back and we can get Simmons.

Agree that Simmons and Wall is the worst fit you can imagine of.

Houston isn't smart enough to ask for their picks back (and some other asset) and send us Ben Simmons

Pretty skeptical that Houston is expanding trade discussions with other teams beyond harden prefered destinations....MAYBE Boston or Gs but looks like they are trying to get the more they can from Philly or Miami.

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My answer would be an easy no 2 weeks ago but now that I saw John Wall playing well...no idea. Depends of health (Cousins/Wall) and if they trade Tucker with Harden.

But saying it doesn't look good for us was mostly about the future picks. If they trade Harden ASAP it's good for our pick swap but long term for the 2024/2026 picks is another story...scared that Houston will get way too much for Harden after Jrue got traded for 3 FRP and 2 pick swaps.

Well I guess a lot ot things can happen between now and then so better hope for a 10-15 pick in the next draft.

If they miss the playoffs this year, that’s pretty ideal in my opinion. It gives us a chance at a good pick in a great draft. I like Simmons more than a lot of people but pairing him with wall could be brutal. I think it’s way too early to panic. Maybe Houston wants their picks back and we can get Simmons.

Agree that Simmons and Wall is the worst fit you can imagine of.

Houston isn't smart enough to ask for their picks back (and some other asset) and send us Ben Simmons

Pretty skeptical that Houston is expanding trade discussions with other teams beyond harden prefered destinations....MAYBE Boston or Gs but looks like they are trying to get the more they can from Philly or Miami.

At this point, we have nothing to lose. If we can sweep in and get Simmons in a three team deal, great. If not, that’s fine too. We aren’t in a rush.

[Dadouv47]

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If they miss the playoffs this year, that’s pretty ideal in my opinion. It gives us a chance at a good pick in a great draft. I like Simmons more than a lot of people but pairing him with wall could be brutal. I think it’s way too early to panic. Maybe Houston wants their picks back and we can get Simmons.

Agree that Simmons and Wall is the worst fit you can imagine of.

Houston isn't smart enough to ask for their picks back (and some other asset) and send us Ben Simmons

Pretty skeptical that Houston is expanding trade discussions with other teams beyond harden prefered destinations....MAYBE Boston or Gs but looks like they are trying to get the more they can from Philly or Miami.

At this point, we have nothing to lose. If we can sweep in and get Simmons in a three team deal, great. If not, that’s fine too. We aren’t in a rush.

Sure. I would rather try to get Herro in a Miami/Houston trade but Houston won't do it

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Philly is the franchise that values Ben Simmons the most. Any deal that involves Ben Simmons, James Harden and OKC would have us not just to give back picks but probably big-time value. And I don't think Ben Simmons is the guy to commit for. It's been years spent behind NBA's shooting curve, I don't think we need to go back there right now.

Maybe in the Deadline or next season, if we feel we have an established shooting core, this will be nice to revisit. Yes, I appreciate Ben Simmons a lot, and that's the type of power move I'd like Prest to do with all those picks, quite often.

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I don't know how to feel about that Rudy contract. I'm inclined not to like it I think.

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I don't know how to feel about that Rudy contract. I'm inclined not to like it I think.

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Their starters of Conley, Bogey, Mitchell, Gobert and O’Neal wer +10 per 100 possessions last year. They almost beat Denver in the playoffs despite missing their second best offensive player, Bogdanovic. Conley played a little better in the bubble. They added favors who is a good fit there too. I think their hope is that their team is a legit contender if healthy and some things go their way. Also, a big move isn’t impossible if the right player comes available. In hindsight, Holiday would have been a better option than Holiday.

I do think they lakers are being treated like they are a more of a juggernaut than they are. Lebron is only a year removed from his first injury and missing the playoffs and I still think Davis is a bit injury prone. I guess if you really want to talk yourself into Utah being a true contender then it’s possible. I don’t like the deal either but this is the reality for small market teams.

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I don't know how to feel about that Rudy contract. I'm inclined not to like it I think.

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Their starters of Conley, Bogey, Mitchell, Gobert and O’Neal wer +10 per 100 possessions last year. They almost beat Denver in the playoffs despite missing their second best offensive player, Bogdanovic. Conley played a little better in the bubble. They added favors who is a good fit there too. I think their hope is that their team is a legit contender if healthy and some things go their way. Also, a big move isn’t impossible if the right player comes available. In hindsight, Holiday would have been a better option than Holiday.

I do think they lakers are being treated like they are a more of a juggernaut than they are. Lebron is only a year removed from his first injury and missing the playoffs and I still think Davis is a bit injury prone. I guess if you really want to talk yourself into Utah being a true contender then it’s possible. I don’t like the deal either but this is the reality for small market teams.

Feels sort of like a no other realistic choice move though given their timeline. That's what's bothersome. They couldn't let him walk. Scared to trade him given how good he is there would be a real likelihood of overall talent downgrade which could piss off Mitchell . So now you hook him up long term and hope for the best.

I don't think he's good enough to win them a title and I think they are now stuck in no man's land.

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[ThunderBolt]

I don't know how to feel about that Rudy contract. I'm inclined not to like it I think.

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Their starters of Conley, Bogey, Mitchell, Gobert and O’Neal wer +10 per 100 possessions last year. They almost beat Denver in the playoffs despite missing their second best offensive player, Bogdanovic. Conley played a little better in the bubble. They added favors who is a good fit there too. I think their hope is that their team is a legit contender if healthy and some things go their way. Also, a big move isn’t impossible if the right player comes available. In hindsight, Holiday would have been a better option than Holiday.

I do think they lakers are being treated like they are a more of a juggernaut than they are. Lebron is only a year removed from his first injury and missing the playoffs and I still think Davis is a bit injury prone. I guess if you really want to talk yourself into Utah being a true contender then it’s possible. I don’t like the deal either but this is the reality for small market teams.

Feels sort of like a no other realistic choice move though given their timeline. That's what's bothersome. They couldn't let him walk. Scared to trade him given how good he is there would be a real likelihood of overall talent downgrade which could piss off Mitchell . So now you hook him up long term and hope for the best.

I don't think he's good enough to win them a title and I think they are now stuck in no man's land.

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You’re probably right. It depends on whether or not their new ownership is willing to the pay the tax. I don’t envy their situation but it’s not completely hopeless. Once their pick to Memphis conveys they have all of their picks. They have odd protections on that pick that could drag it out a while.

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Kennard and Morris both for 16M/year? I get that Ballmer has the deepest pockets in the league, but those both seem like pretty big overpays.

[Dadouv47]

So many big crazy signings...Horford's contract looking a bit better after all those crazy FAs and extensions deals (and George Hill contract looking sooooo good, even if I don't know which contender could use him)