Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[Andre Roberstan]

boston is still what, 3 mil above the tax? i can see them making a tax motivated move if possible to delay repeater payments as long as possible with this core.

They'd probably do that with somebody else though. I don't think they give up on Brown this quickly. He was supposed to be part of their core.

My guess is Morris or Rozier. Though I think they might barely be above with Rozier.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Wondering if he would take on some youth package involving Ferguson, Abrines and some picks for Iman Schumpert. Schumpert would be fantastic fit. A guy that can defend, score and shoot the 3.

Based on what he said it sounded more like he was interested in more picks and not players. They have 8 players under contract for next year and enough cap space for two max players. I think selling his cap space for draft picks is his primary goal. Moving the veterans for draft picks is his second goal. Adding young players would be down on that list.

With Hield, Jackson and Bogdanovic they are pretty much set for young wings. Fox is locked in at PG. Giles, Bagley, Bjelica and WCS is a solid big rotation. If they were to somehow be able to land two max FAs to go with that quality young depth they could jump into the top 4 in the West next year. If kd is serious about leaving GS to build his own legacy that would be a good landing spot. It would be his team, but the youth is coming up fast enough he could have them in the 2nd round next year even without landing a 2nd big FA, i.e. Kyrie, Kawhi, Butler, Cousins, etc.

[slick_watts]

boston is still what, 3 mil above the tax? i can see them making a tax motivated move if possible to delay repeater payments as long as possible with this core.

They'd probably do that with somebody else though. I don't think they give up on Brown this quickly. He was supposed to be part of their core.

of course, i'm just saying. a money move is logical for them this year.

[RalphSampsonJr]

Divac just basicaly said he couldn't care less about playoffs this year as his eyes are set for the championship in the future.

Wondering if he would take on some youth package involving Ferguson, Abrines and some picks for Iman Schumpert. Schumpert would be fantastic fit. A guy that can defend, score and shoot the 3.

Tferg abrines and SOME picks?! No way okc give that much up for him. He makes silly money too. He only ever plays well against okc.
Abrines and a 2nd is all id give up. Would hang up if divac started talkin about tferg or hami

[RalphSampsonJr]

Celts wont give up brown as he will be likely used in a trade to get AD. No way they send him away for a role playr or 2

[Dn4sty]

After watching Trailblazers beat GSW last night, I can’t help but start to feel that they aren’t near as good as the last few years. I’d still pick them to win it all, but I do think they are very beatable, even in a 7 game series.

I wonder if adding say Holiday, Portis, and....another solid rotation piece (maybe a bigger backup SF) pushes OKC to contention

[Pillendreher]

After watching Trailblazers beat GSW last night, I can’t help but start to feel that they aren’t near as good as the last few years. I’d still pick them to win it all, but I do think they are very beatable, even in a 7 game series.

I wonder if adding say Holiday, Portis, and....another solid rotation piece (maybe a bigger backup SF) pushes them to contention

Biggest issues are bench scoring and shooting in general. Get one or two players to help with that and you're a contender for sure.

[Dn4sty]

After watching Trailblazers beat GSW last night, I can’t help but start to feel that they aren’t near as good as the last few years. I’d still pick them to win it all, but I do think they are very beatable, even in a 7 game series.

I wonder if adding say Holiday, Portis, and....another solid rotation piece (maybe a bigger backup SF) pushes them to contention

Biggest issues are bench scoring and shooting in general. Get one or two players to help with that and you're a contender for sure.

So would Portis, Holiday, and Carroll (buyout) be enough.

[ThunderBolt]

If do Divac is really focused on the future then hanging on to a 30 year old Bjelica seems pointless.

[Pillendreher]

After watching Trailblazers beat GSW last night, I can’t help but start to feel that they aren’t near as good as the last few years. I’d still pick them to win it all, but I do think they are very beatable, even in a 7 game series.

I wonder if adding say Holiday, Portis, and....another solid rotation piece (maybe a bigger backup SF) pushes them to contention

Biggest issues are bench scoring and shooting in general. Get one or two players to help with that and you're a contender for sure.

So would Portis, Holiday, and Carroll (buyout) be enough.

It depends on how those guys perform and what we give up, of course. But if our defense holds (I'm fairly certain it will; the last time this team was worse than 5pp100 better defensively than the rest of the league on average was Nov 07, per stats.nba.com) and we just get some sort of reliable outside shooting next to at least some sort NBA level offense with the bench, we're in the 1st tier of teams imo.

Just look at this:

As a team, we currently rank 19th in ORtG per pbpstats.com at 109.2 points per 100 possessions. Our bench (Felton and/or Schröder+Noel) has accounted for 23 % of our total possessions. For roughly 1/4th of the time, we've scored (and no, I'm not mistaken) 98.7 points per 100 possessions. The other 3/4th of the time, we've therefore scored 112.3 points per 100 possessions, which would rank 9th on a team level. Not superb, but still much better.
Now if the bench just managed to score at the level of the Phoenix Suns (104 points per 100 possessions), our ORtG jumps by a full point. That's another ~2.5 wins right there on a full season. And that's not even accounting for the fact that getting a reliable shooter or two might help the rest way as well nor for Russ hopefully finding his way out of his hole.

This is by far the best defensive season in Thunder history. If you can just get one or two points above average offensively, ie somewhere Top 10ish, you're right there at ~7 NetRtG.

[Dn4sty]

Biggest issues are bench scoring and shooting in general. Get one or two players to help with that and you're a contender for sure.

So would Portis, Holiday, and Carroll (buyout) be enough.

It depends on how those guys perform and what we give up, of course. But if our defense holds (I'm fairly certain it will; the last time this team was worse than 5pp100 better defensively than the rest of the league on average was Nov 07, per stats.nba.com) and we just get some sort of reliable outside shooting next to at least some sort NBA level offense with the bench, we're in the 1st tier of teams imo.

Just look at this:

As a team, we currently rank 19th in ORtG per pbpstats.com at 109.2 points per 100 possessions. Our bench (Felton and/or Schröder+Noel) has accounted for 23 % of our total possessions. For roughly 1/4th of the time, we've scored (and no, I'm not mistaken) 98.7 points per 100 possessions. The other 3/4th of the time, we've therefore scored 112.3 points per 100 possessions, which would rank 9th on a team level. Not superb, but still much better.
Now if the bench just managed to score at the level of the Phoenix Suns (104 points per 100 possessions), our ORtG jumps by a full point. That's another ~2.5 wins right there on a full season. And that's not even accounting for the fact that getting a reliable shooter or two might help the rest way as well nor for Russ hopefully finding his way out of his hole.

This is by far the best defensive season in Thunder history. If you can just get one or two points above average offensively, ie somewhere Top 10ish, you're right there at ~7 NetRtG.

Ok so screw it, let’s go all in

[Pillendreher]

Ok so screw it, let’s go all in

166 guys take 6 or more 3PA per 100 possesions this season. Out of those 166 guys, Patterson is 163rd, Westbrook 157th, Schröder 131st and Abrines 130th. If you filter those guys for those with at least 300 mp and a worse TS% than 52.0 (49 players), we are one of five teams with at least four of those guys. And all of the other teams are nowhere close to our overall level: Brooklyn, Miami, New York and Phoenix.

I think it can't be overstated what a bad season we've had so far offensively and good we've been despite of it. Our two point guards have been quite inefficient with some serious scoring troubles (Westbrook) and playmaking troubles (Schröder) while our two shooting specialists have been complete and utter turds. If you could actually replace the non-shooting some actual shooting and get Westbrook to a decent enough level scoring wise, it'd be a big step forward. Talk about the schedule all you want, but we've been one of the best teams in the league for two months now. It's not a coincidence and if the opportunity presents itself, Presti should get them some reinforcements. Can't waste Paul George playing this way or Westbrook in general,

[Dn4sty]

Ok so screw it, let’s go all in

166 guys take 6 or more 3PA per 100 possesions this season. Out of those 166 guys, Patterson is 163rd, Westbrook 157th, Schröder 131st and Abrines 130th. If you filter those guys for those with at least 300 mp and a worse TS% than 52.0 (49 players), we are one of five teams with at least four of those guys. And all of the other teams are nowhere close to our overall level: Brooklyn, Miami, New York and Phoenix.

I think it can't be overstated what a bad season we've had so far offensively and good we've been despite of it. Our two point guards have been quite inefficient with some serious scoring troubles (Westbrook) and playmaking troubles (Schröder) while our two shooting specialists have been complete and utter turds. If you could actually replace the non-shooting some actual shooting and get Westbrook to a decent enough level scoring wise, it'd be a big step forward. Talk about the schedule all you want, but we've been one of the best teams in the league for two months now. It's not a coincidence and if the opportunity presents itself, Presti should get them some reinforcements. Can't waste Paul George playing this way or Westbrook in general,

I know you’ve posted lists of guys that can fit. Who would be your ideal target(s)?

[RalphSampsonJr]

With the defense being as good as it is and the dubs showing they really are mortal.. i think Sam does need to pull the trigger.

Like Pills research shows.. its not even like it would be hard to make this team better. Thats unless there really is just something in the okc water that takes away players shooting powers

[Dn4sty]

With the defense being as good as it is and the dubs showing they really are mortal.. i think Sam does need to pull the trigger.

Like Pills research shows.. its not even like it would be hard to make this team better. Thats unless there really is just something in the okc water that takes away players shooting powers

I think the same water is making Abrines sick

[Mattv]

With the defense being as good as it is and the dubs showing they really are mortal.. i think Sam does need to pull the trigger.

Like Pills research shows.. its not even like it would be hard to make this team better. Thats unless there really is just something in the okc water that takes away players shooting powers

I think the same water is making Abrines sick

Ferguson too...

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[Dn4sty]

With the defense being as good as it is and the dubs showing they really are mortal.. i think Sam does need to pull the trigger.

Like Pills research shows.. its not even like it would be hard to make this team better. Thats unless there really is just something in the okc water that takes away players shooting powers

I think the same water is making Abrines sick

Ferguson too...

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Abrines gave Ferg the bubonic plague

[Mattv]

I think the same water is making Abrines sick

Ferguson too...

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Abrines gave Ferg the bubonic plague

Dang it I told yall he should've been trade months ago..

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[ThunderBolt]

With the way the pistons are unraveling, I've got to believe Reggie Bullock will be available.

[ThunderBolt]

Anyone know much about Malik Beasley? He's a guy that's been buried in the rotation in Denver but as had some nice games. He's now shooting 38% from three on much higher volume than the last two years. Admittedly I'm just box score watching. When Harris and Barton come back, he's going to likely get buried again.