2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[ThunderBolt]

This is a really big undersell. He's not a star but he's a well above average SG, probably top 10 at worst, and he's certainly improved. He doesn't fit perfectly but he's a really good player.

Look at his numbers. The only improvement was between year one and year two, and even that wasn't substantial. This year he's up in a couple of areas and down in a few others. You can call it an undersell but I call it statistics. Hes never really improved. if we were able to move up in the draft, I don't think it's that crazy to think his replacement needs three years to do what he's doing now.

Using BPM alone he went from -.8 to 1.8 last year. Then this year dropped. He's in a new role, and still ranks 15th among SGs inRPM. Thats a big underell using statistics unless all you want is PPG.

I feel like you're kind of proving my point. I understand that he's in a new role but we only have 20ish games left. It's time he adjusted. Plus, he is surrounded by better players. You can look at a variety of stats besides ppg to see he has stagnated. I don't think Vic is a bad player. I like that he seems like a team player. It all comes down to money and I don't think he's worth $21 million a year. Maybe a rookie won't be as good as Vic will be next year. However I don't think it's crazy to think if we traded up that a rookie could give usn10-12ppg. With improvement of Abrines and Sabonis, we might end up being a better team and not have dalary cap issues.

[bondom34]

Look at his numbers. The only improvement was between year one and year two, and even that wasn't substantial. This year he's up in a couple of areas and down in a few others. You can call it an undersell but I call it statistics. Hes never really improved. if we were able to move up in the draft, I don't think it's that crazy to think his replacement needs three years to do what he's doing now.

Using BPM alone he went from -.8 to 1.8 last year. Then this year dropped. He's in a new role, and still ranks 15th among SGs inRPM. Thats a big underell using statistics unless all you want is PPG.

I feel like you're kind of proving my point. I understand that he's in a new role but we only have 20ish games left. It's time he adjusted. Plus, he is surrounded by better players. You can look at a variety of stats besides ppg to see he has stagnated. I don't think Vic is a bad player. I like that he seems like a team player. It all comes down to money and I don't think he's worth $21 million a year. Maybe a rookie won't be as good as Vic will be next year. However I don't think it's crazy to think if we traded up that a rookie could give usn10-12ppg. With improvement of Abrines and Sabonis, we might end up being a better team and not have dalary cap issues.

Don't know what proved your point, I showed he improved.


A rookie also can't handle the ball or defend like Vic. And when a 35 year old JJ Redick is getting 20 mil, yeah Vic's worth that. I realize they probably have to move someone, but he's been pretty good this year, and 60 games on a roster that literally fits nobody's skillset isn't a measure of ability. Adams is suffering, Russ is suffering, Dipo's suffering. He's improved defensively and his RPM this year is at 0.68, 2 years ago is was -0.31, so he's again improved. He's done everything asked of him and even is shooting better this year, I'm a little lost as to why people don't think he's very good.

To put it in perspective he ranks just behind CJ McCollum in RPM, who people want to trade him for, who makes more money. Just ahead of Wes Matthews, who makes slightly less, and ahead of Redick.

If all you want is a guy to stand at the 3 point line sure but I'd rather him stay because he does a lot more than that and to boot is a pretty solid defender at his position. I wouldn't mind him running the bench honestly.

[spearsy23]

Sure, not a star, but a darn good starter on a contract about to be at least the norm.

Average starter. And I'd note that sg is generally the weakest position for rpm, so being average at the position traditionally has the least value.

[Osirus89]

Using BPM alone he went from -.8 to 1.8 last year. Then this year dropped. He's in a new role, and still ranks 15th among SGs inRPM. Thats a big underell using statistics unless all you want is PPG.

I feel like you're kind of proving my point. I understand that he's in a new role but we only have 20ish games left. It's time he adjusted. Plus, he is surrounded by better players. You can look at a variety of stats besides ppg to see he has stagnated. I don't think Vic is a bad player. I like that he seems like a team player. It all comes down to money and I don't think he's worth $21 million a year. Maybe a rookie won't be as good as Vic will be next year. However I don't think it's crazy to think if we traded up that a rookie could give usn10-12ppg. With improvement of Abrines and Sabonis, we might end up being a better team and not have dalary cap issues.

Don't know what proved your point, I showed he improved.


A rookie also can't handle the ball or defend like Vic. And when a 35 year old JJ Redick is getting 20 mil, yeah Vic's worth that. I realize they probably have to move someone, but he's been pretty good this year, and 60 games on a roster that literally fits nobody's skillset isn't a measure of ability. Adams is suffering, Russ is suffering, Dipo's suffering. He's improved defensively and his RPM this year is at 0.68, 2 years ago is was -0.31, so he's again improved. He's done everything asked of him and even is shooting better this year, I'm a little lost as to why people don't think he's very good.

To put it in perspective he ranks just behind CJ McCollum in RPM, who people want to trade him for, who makes more money. Just ahead of Wes Matthews, who makes slightly less, and ahead of Redick.

If all you want is a guy to stand at the 3 point line sure but I'd rather him stay because he does a lot more than that and to boot is a pretty solid defender at his position. I wouldn't mind him running the bench honestly.

Agree with this. Victors contract isn't ridiculous when you look at the landscape of the rest of the league. Chandler parsons has a bigger deal than VO does and he isn't that great anyway. Luol deng is making 18 mill a year. Noah is making 17 mill....etc. It's not like the contract is outrageous.
If the main issue isn't the contract, but the potential tax problem, you simply have to shed Kanter or eat the tax for a year and let him opt out. Presti hates losing assets though, so Kanter will be traded at some point probably. Victor has missed some time this year. See how he looks in the playoffs before the question of shipping him out. He is locked into his contract at this point, so his value isn't going to decrease anytime soon.

Also the rookies outside of the top 10 aren't that impressive. If we were able to move Victor for Tatum, Isaac, or monk, that would be worth considering. However, moving him for the 13 pick or so in the draft... Meh.

[Ontario]

I feel Dipo has a much higher ceiling then a lot of people here are giving him credit for, he was shouldering a lot of responsibility in Orlando's rotation before coming over here as a young guy and looking good doing it. He just needs to find a way defer to Westbrook and still remain aggressive and the team needs to be able to feature him more as an offensive weapon. To be fair I believe that kind of is exactly what Presti was thinking when hoping Victor would anchor the bench as the teams 6th man. Not everyone who is going to be a good-great player in the league is going to get there by year 3/4, it takes some guys time and the right system or role, specifically I would compare Dipo to DeMar Derozan over his first four years. I don't think Victor is ever going to be a franchise guy but I totally could see him sneaking in a few all-star appearances before all is said and done, it's been said in this thread before that he is not really excellent at any one thing but he reminds me a lot of Jeff Green in that he is probably better then average at almost everything across the board. As the team finds a better balance and identity to what it is trying to accomplish you will see him grow I feel and looking to move him now is pre-mature.

As the franchise that drafted James Harden I feel all of this should be common sense

[ThunderBolt]

Using BPM alone he went from -.8 to 1.8 last year. Then this year dropped. He's in a new role, and still ranks 15th among SGs inRPM. Thats a big underell using statistics unless all you want is PPG.

I feel like you're kind of proving my point. I understand that he's in a new role but we only have 20ish games left. It's time he adjusted. Plus, he is surrounded by better players. You can look at a variety of stats besides ppg to see he has stagnated. I don't think Vic is a bad player. I like that he seems like a team player. It all comes down to money and I don't think he's worth $21 million a year. Maybe a rookie won't be as good as Vic will be next year. However I don't think it's crazy to think if we traded up that a rookie could give usn10-12ppg. With improvement of Abrines and Sabonis, we might end up being a better team and not have dalary cap issues.

Don't know what proved your point, I showed he improved.


A rookie also can't handle the ball or defend like Vic. And when a 35 year old JJ Redick is getting 20 mil, yeah Vic's worth that. I realize they probably have to move someone, but he's been pretty good this year, and 60 games on a roster that literally fits nobody's skillset isn't a measure of ability. Adams is suffering, Russ is suffering, Dipo's suffering. He's improved defensively and his RPM this year is at 0.68, 2 years ago is was -0.31, so he's again improved. He's done everything asked of him and even is shooting better this year, I'm a little lost as to why people don't think he's very good.

To put it in perspective he ranks just behind CJ McCollum in RPM, who people want to trade him for, who makes more money. Just ahead of Wes Matthews, who makes slightly less, and ahead of Redick.

If all you want is a guy to stand at the 3 point line sure but I'd rather him stay because he does a lot more than that and to boot is a pretty solid defender at his position. I wouldn't mind him running the bench honestly.

You stated he's improved and then regressed. He's down in multiples areas from last year including ppg, apg, steals and blocks. He has less turnovers and improved fg and 3fg %. All changes are very minimal. My point isn't that he's bad. My point is he's is the same that he's always been and your stats support my argument. One step forward, one step back.

[bondom34]

I feel like you're kind of proving my point. I understand that he's in a new role but we only have 20ish games left. It's time he adjusted. Plus, he is surrounded by better players. You can look at a variety of stats besides ppg to see he has stagnated. I don't think Vic is a bad player. I like that he seems like a team player. It all comes down to money and I don't think he's worth $21 million a year. Maybe a rookie won't be as good as Vic will be next year. However I don't think it's crazy to think if we traded up that a rookie could give usn10-12ppg. With improvement of Abrines and Sabonis, we might end up being a better team and not have dalary cap issues.

Don't know what proved your point, I showed he improved.


A rookie also can't handle the ball or defend like Vic. And when a 35 year old JJ Redick is getting 20 mil, yeah Vic's worth that. I realize they probably have to move someone, but he's been pretty good this year, and 60 games on a roster that literally fits nobody's skillset isn't a measure of ability. Adams is suffering, Russ is suffering, Dipo's suffering. He's improved defensively and his RPM this year is at 0.68, 2 years ago is was -0.31, so he's again improved. He's done everything asked of him and even is shooting better this year, I'm a little lost as to why people don't think he's very good.

To put it in perspective he ranks just behind CJ McCollum in RPM, who people want to trade him for, who makes more money. Just ahead of Wes Matthews, who makes slightly less, and ahead of Redick.

If all you want is a guy to stand at the 3 point line sure but I'd rather him stay because he does a lot more than that and to boot is a pretty solid defender at his position. I wouldn't mind him running the bench honestly.

Except it was 3 steps forward, join a totally new team with awful fitting pieces, step back. And he improved every year prior, and still posts really good numbers.
You stated he's improved and then regressed. He's down in multiples areas from last year including ppg, apg, steals and blocks. He has less turnovers and improved fg and 3fg %. All changes are very minimal. My point isn't that he's bad. My point is he's is the same that he's always been and your stats support my argument. One step forward, one step back.

[Old Man Game]

Dammit! We keep losing when we play on the road in Portland. Frustrating. They aren't even very good at this point. That should have been a W last night. *sigh*

[oken]

Nurkic is much better than people give him credit for. But Jokic was even better than him so after Joffrey, they again had a "who is the better big" problem and gave him away for Mason frkn Plumlee.

By the way Jokic recorded his consecutive triple-double against Bucks. It will be interesting to see what teams with quality bigs can do against higher seeded run 'n gun teams.

[ThunderBolt]

I'm not really a "blow it up" kind of guy but Jaylen Brown sure looks like he could be a nice young piece that acquire if we went that route.

[hardenASG13]

I'm not really a "blow it up" kind of guy but Jaylen Brown sure looks like he could be a nice young piece that acquire if we went that route.

Yeah he looks great, if Boston includes him with either pick they better get a true superstar back (not Paul George or Jimmy butler- side note, isn't it crazy that a pacers team led by Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and Lance Stevenson was the LeBron heats biggest challenge in the east?) I'm not about blowing it up either, but can't imagine why Westbrook would stay there, so they need to have that convo with him this offseason. He shouldn't play out his prime with adams, oladipo and Kanter, he's too good for that. Maybe this is why kd left, tired of running the most basic system in the league for years, the organization losing all of their talent and assets, signing and extending guys who aren't worth it, being unable to land free agents due to location,and getting by with stars creating something out of nothing. If Boston is willing to take westbrook for either bk pick, brown, and a few other pieces I say okc should do it. Otherwise it'll be kd part 2 after next year, and people will again be shocked.....though I feel like russ wold at least tell teammates to their faces instead of letting theme find out on tv.

[ThunderBolt]

I'm not really a "blow it up" kind of guy but Jaylen Brown sure looks like he could be a nice young piece that acquire if we went that route.

Yeah he looks great, if Boston includes him with either pick they better get a true superstar back (not Paul George or Jimmy butler- side note, isn't it crazy that a pacers team led by Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and Lance Stevenson was the LeBron heats biggest challenge in the east?) I'm not about blowing it up either, but can't imagine why Westbrook would stay there, so they need to have that convo with him this offseason. He shouldn't play out his prime with adams, oladipo and Kanter, he's too good for that. Maybe this is why kd left, tired of running the most basic system in the league for years, the organization losing all of their talent and assets, signing and extending guys who aren't worth it, being unable to land free agents due to location,and getting by with stars creating something out of nothing. If Boston is willing to take westbrook for either bk pick, brown, and a few other pieces I say okc should do it. Otherwise it'll be kd part 2 after next year, and people will again be shocked.....though I feel like russ wold at least tell teammates to their faces instead of letting theme find out on tv.

If that's really who we are, trading Russ won't make us better. We may land another superstar again and the process repeats itself. I really would like to see a style of basketball more team oriented. The only way that happens is if all of the criticism of Westbrook turns out to be true. What if Russ' style of play is what's hindering our team developing chemistry and some of the other guys don't really enjoy playing alongside him? I know what I'm saying isn't going to set well with some, and I'm not saying it's necessarily accurate. I just feel like something isn't quite right with the way we play now or in times past.

[Ontario]

I really would like to see a style of basketball more team oriented. The only way that happens is if all of the criticism of Westbrook turns out to be true. What if Russ' style of play is what's hindering our team developing chemistry and some of the other guys don't really enjoy playing alongside him? I know what I'm saying isn't going to set well with some, and I'm not saying it's necessarily accurate. I just feel like something isn't quite right with the way we play now or in times past.

I don't think that's true of this year because the team has so little balance, I feel Russell is doing what he has to do to keep us relevant at the moment. I do however agree that could become the case if the team continues next season and beyond to rely on Russell shouldering such ridiculous usage rates and ball dominance. I hope he achieves the 3D avg. for the year and it has been a wonderful year to watch but having more guys involved in the scoring and play making when we have guys ready to be more involved I feel will help the team take it's next step forward, (Not to mention I feel striving for the 3D each night has worn Russ out of the defensive end and made him a slightly less effective man defender).

[hardenASG13]

I'm not really a "blow it up" kind of guy but Jaylen Brown sure looks like he could be a nice young piece that acquire if we went that route.

Yeah he looks great, if Boston includes him with either pick they better get a true superstar back (not Paul George or Jimmy butler- side note, isn't it crazy that a pacers team led by Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and Lance Stevenson was the LeBron heats biggest challenge in the east?) I'm not about blowing it up either, but can't imagine why Westbrook would stay there, so they need to have that convo with him this offseason. He shouldn't play out his prime with adams, oladipo and Kanter, he's too good for that. Maybe this is why kd left, tired of running the most basic system in the league for years, the organization losing all of their talent and assets, signing and extending guys who aren't worth it, being unable to land free agents due to location,and getting by with stars creating something out of nothing. If Boston is willing to take westbrook for either bk pick, brown, and a few other pieces I say okc should do it. Otherwise it'll be kd part 2 after next year, and people will again be shocked.....though I feel like russ wold at least tell teammates to their faces instead of letting theme find out on tv.

If that's really who we are, trading Russ won't make us better. We may land another superstar again and the process repeats itself. I really would like to see a style of basketball more team oriented. The only way that happens is if all of the criticism of Westbrook turns out to be true. What if Russ' style of play is what's hindering our team developing chemistry and some of the other guys don't really enjoy playing alongside him? I know what I'm saying isn't going to set well with some, and I'm not saying it's necessarily accurate. I just feel like something isn't quite right with the way we play now or in times past.

Yeah it's hard to tell with what's around him this year. Him forcing a shot is usually the best option, beyond kanter doing something. When they had kd their stuff was very uncreative, but those 2 are obviously elite talents so they succeeded despite their **** system with Brooks and Donovan. That being said, I was shocked to see how little changed when Donovan came in system wise, as it stayed isolated ball. Everyone said Westbrook was selfish, but alot of their sets the ball never swung and kd literally just stood there on the wing. Gs system is night and day surperior along with othet good teams. They have so much more action and movement its not even comparable. Imo thats coaching, not selfish play. By all observations their strategy is set one screen and superstar creatr magic out of it. If wb was chucking within a flowing offense when they had kd I woulda been upset, but they always ran the same few plays, and still do. It's a shame they squandered this most likely.

[ThunderBolt]

Yeah he looks great, if Boston includes him with either pick they better get a true superstar back (not Paul George or Jimmy butler- side note, isn't it crazy that a pacers team led by Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and Lance Stevenson was the LeBron heats biggest challenge in the east?) I'm not about blowing it up either, but can't imagine why Westbrook would stay there, so they need to have that convo with him this offseason. He shouldn't play out his prime with adams, oladipo and Kanter, he's too good for that. Maybe this is why kd left, tired of running the most basic system in the league for years, the organization losing all of their talent and assets, signing and extending guys who aren't worth it, being unable to land free agents due to location,and getting by with stars creating something out of nothing. If Boston is willing to take westbrook for either bk pick, brown, and a few other pieces I say okc should do it. Otherwise it'll be kd part 2 after next year, and people will again be shocked.....though I feel like russ wold at least tell teammates to their faces instead of letting theme find out on tv.

If that's really who we are, trading Russ won't make us better. We may land another superstar again and the process repeats itself. I really would like to see a style of basketball more team oriented. The only way that happens is if all of the criticism of Westbrook turns out to be true. What if Russ' style of play is what's hindering our team developing chemistry and some of the other guys don't really enjoy playing alongside him? I know what I'm saying isn't going to set well with some, and I'm not saying it's necessarily accurate. I just feel like something isn't quite right with the way we play now or in times past.

Yeah it's hard to tell with what's around him this year. Him forcing a shot is usually the best option, beyond kanter doing something. When they had kd their stuff was very uncreative, but those 2 are obviously elite talents so they succeeded despite their **** system with Brooks and Donovan. That being said, I was shocked to see how little changed when Donovan came in system wise, as it stayed isolated ball. Everyone said Westbrook was selfish, but alot of their sets the ball never swung and kd literally just stood there on the wing. Gs system is night and day surperior along with othet good teams. They have so much more action and movement its not even comparable. Imo thats coaching, not selfish play. By all observations their strategy is set one screen and superstar creatr magic out of it. If wb was chucking within a flowing offense when they had kd I woulda been upset, but they always ran the same few plays, and still do. It's a shame they squandered this most likely.

Is it really Coaching or is it Presti? Is this the style of play he wants? I haven't watched the wizards enough to see if wall and beal are playing isoball or team ball.

[Pillendreher]

If that's really who we are, trading Russ won't make us better. We may land another superstar again and the process repeats itself. I really would like to see a style of basketball more team oriented. The only way that happens is if all of the criticism of Westbrook turns out to be true. What if Russ' style of play is what's hindering our team developing chemistry and some of the other guys don't really enjoy playing alongside him? I know what I'm saying isn't going to set well with some, and I'm not saying it's necessarily accurate. I just feel like something isn't quite right with the way we play now or in times past.

Yeah it's hard to tell with what's around him this year. Him forcing a shot is usually the best option, beyond kanter doing something. When they had kd their stuff was very uncreative, but those 2 are obviously elite talents so they succeeded despite their **** system with Brooks and Donovan. That being said, I was shocked to see how little changed when Donovan came in system wise, as it stayed isolated ball. Everyone said Westbrook was selfish, but alot of their sets the ball never swung and kd literally just stood there on the wing. Gs system is night and day surperior along with othet good teams. They have so much more action and movement its not even comparable. Imo thats coaching, not selfish play. By all observations their strategy is set one screen and superstar creatr magic out of it. If wb was chucking within a flowing offense when they had kd I woulda been upset, but they always ran the same few plays, and still do. It's a shame they squandered this most likely.

Is it really Coaching or is it Presti? Is this the style of play he wants? I haven't watched the wizards enough to see if wall and beal are playing isoball or team ball.

Both, certainly. Presti isn't exactly going after allrounders. We have a team full of 'specialists': Guys that can do 1 or two things and that's it.
But on the other hand it doesn't seem like Donovan even tried to go after something new. Okay, supposedly they wanted Ibaka more active and tuned that down because he couldn't handle it...

[hardenASG13]

If that's really who we are, trading Russ won't make us better. We may land another superstar again and the process repeats itself. I really would like to see a style of basketball more team oriented. The only way that happens is if all of the criticism of Westbrook turns out to be true. What if Russ' style of play is what's hindering our team developing chemistry and some of the other guys don't really enjoy playing alongside him? I know what I'm saying isn't going to set well with some, and I'm not saying it's necessarily accurate. I just feel like something isn't quite right with the way we play now or in times past.

Yeah it's hard to tell with what's around him this year. Him forcing a shot is usually the best option, beyond kanter doing something. When they had kd their stuff was very uncreative, but those 2 are obviously elite talents so they succeeded despite their **** system with Brooks and Donovan. That being said, I was shocked to see how little changed when Donovan came in system wise, as it stayed isolated ball. Everyone said Westbrook was selfish, but alot of their sets the ball never swung and kd literally just stood there on the wing. Gs system is night and day surperior along with othet good teams. They have so much more action and movement its not even comparable. Imo thats coaching, not selfish play. By all observations their strategy is set one screen and superstar creatr magic out of it. If wb was chucking within a flowing offense when they had kd I woulda been upset, but they always ran the same few plays, and still do. It's a shame they squandered this most likely.

Is it really Coaching or is it Presti? Is this the style of play he wants? I haven't watched the wizards enough to see if wall and beal are playing isoball or team ball.

Yeah, I think it is 50/50 coaching and presti. In my opinion he's done a terrible job after hitting home runs on kd (a no brainer), Westbrook(what were the odds he would improve so much athletically and with his jumpshot to become an all time great....he had no midrange game when he was a rookie), harden, and Ibaka. He surrounded them primarily with washed up vets, guys that should've been benched but weren't, extreme one way players, and a few solid role players. That's tough for any Coach. Hes yet to realize the league evolved into a shooting league, though he appears to finally be coming around too late.From what I've seen of Washington, there offense is certainly more free flowing than what was going on in okc with Brooks, but Beal has finally been healthy and Porter has developed into a knockdown 3 shooter. Morris had an off-season to adjust to the team and is playing really well, and wall has stepped up as well. From everything I've heard Whitman was an awful Coach, and addition by subtraction just getting rid of him, as Washington has curiously underachieved with their talent before this year.

[Bergmaniac]

The problem is two-fold: you lack players who are good passers and also underutilize the few which you have except Westbrook. All of the Thunder sets are designed for one pass and a shot or a layup right away except the ones where there is no pass at all. You don't have the personnel for a pass heavy offense, but you certainly can do better than the current setup.

Washington are 28th in the league in passes per game and Wall certainly dominates possession, but they still do a better job of swinging the ball around and using simple sets like running a pick and roll, finding the big while he's rolling to the basket and then the big swinging it to the corner for an open 3, something that the Thunder almost never do this year.

[spearsy23]

The problem is two-fold: you lack players who are good passers and also underutilize the few which you have except Westbrook. All of the Thunder sets are designed for one pass and a shot or a layup right away except the ones where there is no pass at all. You don't have the personnel for a pass heavy offense, but you certainly can do better than the current setup.

Washington are 28th in the league in passes per game and Wall certainly dominates possession, but they still do a better job of swinging the ball around and using simple sets like running a pick and roll, finding the big while he's rolling to the basket and then the big swinging it to the corner for an open 3, something that the Thunder almost never do this year.

I think we have 3 guys that could be good in a spurs type system with abrines, Domas, and Dougie. 3 guys that benefit from a p&r system in Russ, Vic, and Enes. 2 guys that could play in any system in Steven and Taj. And 7 guys that aren't going be effective in any system in Robes, Grant, Cole, Christon, Singler, Huestis, and Nick.

I'm completely anti Donovan, but I think the roster is still clearly the issue. At any given time there are generally 2 of Domas/Robes/Grant/C(ole)hriston who are terrible offensively, and every player on the bench except Taj is terrible defensively. Adding Dougie fresh didn't do anything to alleviate the lack of two way NBA talent, adding Taj did, but we're still about 4 players short of having a deep rotation.

[spearsy23]

Related note:
Starters + oladipo
O-rtg: 105.2
D-rtg: 101.8

Starters + Abrines
O-rtg: 111.8
D-rtg: 110.2

If we had a single guy that could shoot like Alex and play defense like Oladipo (that is to say above average at both but not spectacular at either) we'd have a group starters that is as good as pretty much anyone in the league even with sabonis being terrible.