Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[getrichordie]

Alex is an expiring. TLC got zero playing time before we decided not to pick up his option so he was viewed as an expiring from the beginning. Most thought Patterson wouldn’t be completely worthless and would probably not pickup his player option. So essentially he was likely to be an expiring even though that’s not the case now. Singler being an expiring was redundant.

We don’t know what ownership will and will not do. If they aren’t willing to take on another dime then that answers the question of whether or not they are really “all in” or just trying to keep ticket sales up.

It doesn’t have anything to do with being “all in” if they decide not to add to the tax bill. It’s ridiculous to think that.

We already have a bigger payroll than Golden State, if I remember correctly. Or at least close to it.

Also, Sacramento has expressed interest in Porter Jr. and they have $11M in cap space. They are a natural trade partner for Washington.

Look at the signs, guys:

It has been reported that:

—Sacramento is interested in Porter.
—New York is possibly interested in Wall.
—PG & Russ following Beal at beginning of season.
—Grunfeld listening to offers on Beal, Wall + Porter.

I mean, it’s quite apparent that a trade is about to go down. The vultures have been waiting for a Washington’s great fall.



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You’ve really given me added incentive to look forward to the read deadline this year. Then the Beal nonsense can end and we can quit thinking every derelict presti can puts on the g league roster is a cherry on the top of a major deal. The second you mention Beal, I quit reading your posts.

So you think getting Beal is unrealistic?


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[ThunderBolt]

By the way, I want to make clear that I don’t care if you post a Bradley Beal trade every hour for us to discuss. The issue is when you constantly talk as if it’s going to happen and we can’t see it because we lack the special insight that you can foresee. The spoiler below from your Devin Booker’s height thread illustrates why some on here lose patience:

Spoiler:

The hair adds another 2 inches

Thanks for the insight, Harry Garris.

I’m reaching 6’5 or a hair under as a consensus. Is that fair?


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No. The consensus is 6-6. You decided he was shorter and waited until you had a couple of posts that kinda looked like they agreed with you but really did not. The only person who thinks he is 6-5 is you.

Unless you can post some facts behind your assurance then it comes across as redundant to say the least. Again, there is a difference between wanting something to happen and asserting that it will happen without any facts. I’ve said repeatedly that myself along with others are not against getting Bradley Beal. It would be interesting at worst and possibly better. However wanting something to be true so badly that you start assuring others that it’s just a matter of time is...well that’s where the frustration comes in with your posts. Carry on.

[getrichordie]

By the way, I want to make clear that I don’t care if you post a Bradley Beal trade every hour for us to discuss. The issue is when you constantly talk as if it’s going to happen and we can’t see it because we lack the special insight that you can foresee. The spoiler below from your Devin Booker’s height thread illustrates why some on here lose patience:

Spoiler:

Thanks for the insight, Harry Garris.

I’m reaching 6’5 or a hair under as a consensus. Is that fair?


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No. The consensus is 6-6. You decided he was shorter and waited until you had a couple of posts that kinda looked like they agreed with you but really did not. The only person who thinks he is 6-5 is you.

Unless you can post some facts behind your assurance then it comes across as redundant to say the least. Again, there is a difference between wanting something to happen and asserting that it will happen without any facts. I’ve said repeatedly that myself along with others are not against getting Bradley Beal. It would be interesting at worst and possibly better. However wanting something to be true so badly that you start assuring others that it’s just a matter of time is...well that’s where the frustration comes in with your posts. Carry on.

Man, you are really gunning for me, huh?

Of course I want us to get Beal. And I think he’s Presti’s trade target. So what? Shoot me for thinking like that.

How are you not seeing the facts?

Is it not going to be a fact unless it happens?

Fact #1: Washington wants to get under the tax.
Fact #2: OKC wants an elite 2-guard.

I mean, dude... what facts are you looking for?

The vast majority of trades posted on here are purely based on hypotheticals and speculation, is it not?

So what’s the difference? In fact, I’d argue that some (not all) of my trades have more supporting evidence that they could happen than some of the others posted on here.

I.E. There’s no evidence that we would consider trading for Holiday. People just think it’s more “realistic” because it’s smaller and we need a better 2-guard. What Chicago would want for Holiday, we would not be willing to give that up, in my opinion.




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[ThunderBolt]

By the way, I want to make clear that I don’t care if you post a Bradley Beal trade every hour for us to discuss. The issue is when you constantly talk as if it’s going to happen and we can’t see it because we lack the special insight that you can foresee. The spoiler below from your Devin Booker’s height thread illustrates why some on here lose patience:

Spoiler:

No. The consensus is 6-6. You decided he was shorter and waited until you had a couple of posts that kinda looked like they agreed with you but really did not. The only person who thinks he is 6-5 is you.

Unless you can post some facts behind your assurance then it comes across as redundant to say the least. Again, there is a difference between wanting something to happen and asserting that it will happen without any facts. I’ve said repeatedly that myself along with others are not against getting Bradley Beal. It would be interesting at worst and possibly better. However wanting something to be true so badly that you start assuring others that it’s just a matter of time is...well that’s where the frustration comes in with your posts. Carry on.

Man, you are really gunning for me, huh?

Of course I want us to get Beal. And I think he’s Presti’s trade target. So what? Shoot me for thinking like that.

How are you not seeing the facts?

Is it not going to be a fact unless it happens?

Fact #1: Washington wants to get under the tax.
Fact #2: OKC wants an elite 2-guard.

I mean, dude... what facts are you looking for?




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I’m not gunning for you but I’m pointing out that you are looking at this from an OKC fans point of view only. Wanna know a secret?

Spoiler:

I would be excited if we got Beal.

Do I think Beal is unrealistic? Well I thought Paul George was unattainable with what we had and it happened. I would say that most of the trade on here leave at lease one side of the fanbase shocked or disappointed. That being said I’m also not close minded to the fact that if we did a Beal for Adams type trade, we might get the better player but struggle to counter for Adams loss.

You’re also ingnoring that many other teams would also want Beal and might have a better offer. You say OKC wants and elite two guard but you don’t know if that’s the focus. Like I said in an earlier post, in russ’ mvp season virtually the whole board was in agreement that we should target a small forward and discussed Wilson Chandler, Otto Porter, Kris Middleton and others. No one brought up a potential move of getting a better power forward with Taj. My point is you can’t say you know OKC wants an elite two guard more than the one a center that sets hard screens, gets offensive rebounds, anchors the defense and more.

[getrichordie]

By the way, I want to make clear that I don’t care if you post a Bradley Beal trade every hour for us to discuss. The issue is when you constantly talk as if it’s going to happen and we can’t see it because we lack the special insight that you can foresee. The spoiler below from your Devin Booker’s height thread illustrates why some on here lose patience:

Spoiler:

Unless you can post some facts behind your assurance then it comes across as redundant to say the least. Again, there is a difference between wanting something to happen and asserting that it will happen without any facts. I’ve said repeatedly that myself along with others are not against getting Bradley Beal. It would be interesting at worst and possibly better. However wanting something to be true so badly that you start assuring others that it’s just a matter of time is...well that’s where the frustration comes in with your posts. Carry on.

Man, you are really gunning for me, huh?

Of course I want us to get Beal. And I think he’s Presti’s trade target. So what? Shoot me for thinking like that.

How are you not seeing the facts?

Is it not going to be a fact unless it happens?

Fact #1: Washington wants to get under the tax.
Fact #2: OKC wants an elite 2-guard.

I mean, dude... what facts are you looking for?




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I’m not gunning for you but I’m pointing out that you are looking at this from an OKC fans point of view only. Wanna know a secret?

Spoiler:

I would be excited if we got Beal.

Do I think Beal is unrealistic? Well I thought Paul George was unattainable with what we had and it happened. I would say that most of the trade on here leave at lease one side of the fanbase shocked or disappointed. That being said I’m also not close minded to the fact that if we did a Beal for Adams type trade, we might get the better player but struggle to counter for Adams loss.

You’re also ingnoring that many other teams would also want Beal and might have a better offer. You say OKC wants and elite two guard but you don’t know if that’s the focus. Like I said in an earlier post, in russ’ mvp season virtually the whole board was in agreement that we should target a small forward and discussed Wilson Chandler, Otto Porter, Kris Middleton and others. No one brought up a potential move of getting a better power forward with Taj. My point is you can’t say you know OKC wants an elite two guard more than the one a center that sets hard screens, gets offensive rebounds, anchors the defense and more.

You’re completely right about saying that we don’t know if OKC prefers one or the other. That’s why I haven’t said that I know that. But I can say that we unequivocally know that Presti would want to bring back an elite 2-guard that fits next to Russ and PG, if it makes sense.

And what you said about everyone trying to bring back a 3 while Presti was bringing back a 4 just illustrates my point about how speculative our posted trades are by nature.

Mine are speculative, for sure, but they are just of a different variety. Because they are “bigger” trades, some equate bigger with unrealistic for some reason. Bigger trades are harder and I’ve seen a lot of people look at my trades and focus on the “devil in the details”, so to speak, instead of looking at the overall objective of the trade and trying to help me make it work. Instead, people enjoy being condescending and telling people why something won’t work instead of why it could... Just the nature of a lot of NBA fans, I suppose...

I just enjoy speculating about bigger trades this year because I suspect (based on my own views and observations) that Presti will want to move on from Adams sooner or later. Let me reiterate that: It could be sooner... or later...

And that’s the basis for a lot of what I think could happen.





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[ThunderBolt]

Let’s keep in mind that the last two times that we thought were an “all in” year presti chose to do nothing at the deadline last year and on another occasion brought in randy foye. The bigger moves were made in Russ’ mvp year which was essentially a mini rebuild year.

[slick_watts]

Mine are speculative, for sure, but they are just of a different variety. Because they are “bigger” trades, some equate bigger with unrealistic for some reason. Bigger trades are harder and I’ve seen a lot of people look at my trades and focus on the “devil in the details”, so to speak, instead of looking at the overall objective of the trade and trying to help me make it work. Instead, people enjoy being condescending and telling people why something won’t work instead of why it could... Just the nature of a lot of NBA fans, I suppose...

bigger trades are less realistic because the bigger the trade is, the more teams and salary involved, the more conditions you must satisfy both from a cba and team motivation stand point. getting beal to okc while satisfying the thunder's short and long term goals and also meeting the requirements of the cba is impossible without screwing another team to the point where the trade is untenable.

you say you want people to improve your trade ideas. this requires pointing out the flaws. and that's kind of been the point of realgm in the 15 years or whatever i've been posting here. the feedback you receive is not unusual.

[getrichordie]

Mine are speculative, for sure, but they are just of a different variety. Because they are “bigger” trades, some equate bigger with unrealistic for some reason. Bigger trades are harder and I’ve seen a lot of people look at my trades and focus on the “devil in the details”, so to speak, instead of looking at the overall objective of the trade and trying to help me make it work. Instead, people enjoy being condescending and telling people why something won’t work instead of why it could... Just the nature of a lot of NBA fans, I suppose...

bigger trades are less realistic because the bigger the trade is, the more teams and salary involved, the more conditions you must satisfy both from a cba and team motivation stand point. getting beal to okc while satisfying the thunder's short and long term goals and also meeting the requirements of the cba is impossible without screwing another team to the point where the trade is untenable.

you say you want people to improve your trade ideas. this requires pointing out the flaws. and that's kind of been the point of realgm in the 15 years or whatever i've been posting here. the feedback you receive is not unusual.

While I agree that pointing out flaws is useful, why does it stop there? Only pointing out flaws and not suggesting alternative routes to getting something done doesn’t really get anything accomplished. I’m probably being too unrealistic in asking others to collaborate on trades with me.


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[Kizz Fastfists]

So you think getting Beal is unrealistic?

OKC has nothing to entice Washington to trade them Beal. I don't even think PG, Ferg and Diallo for Beal, Morris and Mahinmi would entice Washington. You aren't going to get a contract combination that Washington would have any interest in without PG and/or Adams as the main salary and they probably wouldn't want Adams as the primary piece for Beal.

Beal is still young enough they could try to completely rebuild around him.

[Kizz Fastfists]

While I agree that pointing out flaws is useful, why does it stop there? Only pointing out flaws and not suggesting alternative routes to getting something done doesn’t really get anything accomplished. I’m probably being too unrealistic in asking others to collaborate on trades with me.

You are being unrealistic in wanting people to lie to you and tell you that Washington will give Beal to OKC for free, i.e. Schroder and Roberson. No one is going to lie to you and say that OKC will trade for Beal. OKC doesn't have the trade equity to do it in a way that makes sense.

[ThunderBolt]

So you think getting Beal is unrealistic?

OKC has nothing to entice Washington to trade them Beal. I don't even think PG, Ferg and Diallo for Beal, Morris and Mahinmi would entice Washington. You aren't going to get a contract combination that Washington would have any interest in without PG and/or Adams as the main salary and they probably wouldn't want Adams as the primary piece for Beal.

Beal is still young enough they could try to completely rebuild around him.

I like Beal but he isn’t good enough to build a winning team around. Not that it will stop Ernie from trying...

[Kizz Fastfists]

I like Beal but he isn’t good enough to build a winning team around. Not that it will stop Ernie from trying...

A winning team? Sure. An OKC level team that goes out in the first round of the playoffs ever year? Sure. A championship team? No. If that is the standard then neither is Russ or PG, but Presti is trying.

[getrichordie]

So you think getting Beal is unrealistic?

OKC has nothing to entice Washington to trade them Beal. I don't even think PG, Ferg and Diallo for Beal, Morris and Mahinmi would entice Washington. You aren't going to get a contract combination that Washington would have any interest in without PG and/or Adams as the main salary and they probably wouldn't want Adams as the primary piece for Beal.

Beal is still young enough they could try to completely rebuild around him.

I like Beal but he isn’t good enough to build a winning team around. Not that it will stop Ernie from trying...

The key to getting Beal is Adams. Adams can be parlayed to a third team that values him and can send back some mixture of picks, young players and expirings that fancies a Washington.

If Washington wanted to be smart, they could trade Porter Jr. and Beal for expirings, young players and picks and move off Wall in the offseason and save themselves a ton of money and pivot into a rebuild so Grunfeld isn’t dragging the team through the mud. Attendance sucks in Washington too... they gotta do something different. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Grunfeld fired soon.


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[JustOneFix]

At this point i would even take Nick Young.

This awfull shooting is just unwatchable.

[Kizz Fastfists]

The key to getting Beal is Adams. Adams can be parlayed to a third team that values him and can send back some mixture of picks, young players and expirings that fancies a Washington.

If Washington wanted to be smart, they could trade Porter Jr. and Beal for expirings, young players and picks and move off Wall in the offseason and save themselves a ton of money and pivot into a rebuild so Grunfeld isn’t dragging the team through the mud. Attendance sucks in Washington too... they gotta do something different. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Grunfeld fired soon.

No team is going to give enough value for Adams to get Beal. The only teams that would be interested in Adams are contenders and most of them don't have the youth to entice Washington and if they did they would trade for Beal themselves not facilitate the deal to get Adams. They could get a quality center much cheap, both in contract and trade value, and also have Beal which means they would be better doing that than getting Adams. You have to start thinking about why another team would want to do something and not just what benefits OKC. It would be great if we could trade Russ and Roberson for Anthony Davis and Jru then follow that up with PG for Tatum and Kyrie, and then finish with Adams for Jokic and Murray but that isn't happening because the other teams would slam down the phone.

Beal is a young player! Beal is 25!!! Do you really think adding late first round picks is going to get you something better than Beal?!?! Washington isn't trading Beal unless they get an offer with high ceiling youth and picks. Boston and maybe LAL are the best bets to make those offers and I don't see either of them doing it. LAL might in the off-season if they miss on other targets, but not at this point.

[slick_watts]

While I agree that pointing out flaws is useful, why does it stop there? Only pointing out flaws and not suggesting alternative routes to getting something done doesn’t really get anything accomplished. I’m probably being too unrealistic in asking others to collaborate on trades with me.

your desired outcome (beal to okc) is difficult to satisfy in the thunder's position. if you want people suggesting 'alternative routes', you might want to choose a more realistic outcome. or a more general one.

ask the question: how do the thunder trade for a top 15 shooting guard? you may get better responses.

[Mattv]

I finally figured out our 3 point specialist dilemma!!!! Andre Ingram.

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[getrichordie]

The key to getting Beal is Adams. Adams can be parlayed to a third team that values him and can send back some mixture of picks, young players and expirings that fancies a Washington.

If Washington wanted to be smart, they could trade Porter Jr. and Beal for expirings, young players and picks and move off Wall in the offseason and save themselves a ton of money and pivot into a rebuild so Grunfeld isn’t dragging the team through the mud. Attendance sucks in Washington too... they gotta do something different. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Grunfeld fired soon.

No team is going to give enough value for Adams to get Beal. The only teams that would be interested in Adams are contenders and most of them don't have the youth to entice Washington and if they did they would trade for Beal themselves not facilitate the deal to get Adams. They could get a quality center much cheap, both in contract and trade value, and also have Beal which means they would be better doing that than getting Adams. You have to start thinking about why another team would want to do something and not just what benefits OKC. It would be great if we could trade Russ and Roberson for Anthony Davis and Jru then follow that up with PG for Tatum and Kyrie, and then finish with Adams for Jokic and Murray but that isn't happening because the other teams would slam down the phone.

Beal is a young player! Beal is 25!!! Do you really think adding late first round picks is going to get you something better than Beal?!?! Washington isn't trading Beal unless they get an offer with high ceiling youth and picks. Boston and maybe LAL are the best bets to make those offers and I don't see either of them doing it. LAL might in the off-season if they miss on other targets, but not at this point.

We shall see. I will agree to disagree. I am looking at it from the perspective of Washington.

Contenders wouldn’t be the only ones interested in Adams and I take issue with that. There are a few teams (non-contenders) that I can think of that would love to have Adams for the next 3 years.

And I wasn’t simply saying that ONLY Adams is the key. But Adams is the major key. We would be happy to add Ferguson and/or Diallo and I wouldn’t be shocked if Presti traded the 2024 FRP unprotected to make this happen.

Ultimately, when speculating about trades, leverage is by far the most important factor and a Washington has very little which is why I believe it’s extremely possible they trade both Beal and Porter Jr. at the deadline...


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[Dn4sty]

The key to getting Beal is Adams. Adams can be parlayed to a third team that values him and can send back some mixture of picks, young players and expirings that fancies a Washington.

If Washington wanted to be smart, they could trade Porter Jr. and Beal for expirings, young players and picks and move off Wall in the offseason and save themselves a ton of money and pivot into a rebuild so Grunfeld isn’t dragging the team through the mud. Attendance sucks in Washington too... they gotta do something different. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Grunfeld fired soon.

No team is going to give enough value for Adams to get Beal. The only teams that would be interested in Adams are contenders and most of them don't have the youth to entice Washington and if they did they would trade for Beal themselves not facilitate the deal to get Adams. They could get a quality center much cheap, both in contract and trade value, and also have Beal which means they would be better doing that than getting Adams. You have to start thinking about why another team would want to do something and not just what benefits OKC. It would be great if we could trade Russ and Roberson for Anthony Davis and Jru then follow that up with PG for Tatum and Kyrie, and then finish with Adams for Jokic and Murray but that isn't happening because the other teams would slam down the phone.

Beal is a young player! Beal is 25!!! Do you really think adding late first round picks is going to get you something better than Beal?!?! Washington isn't trading Beal unless they get an offer with high ceiling youth and picks. Boston and maybe LAL are the best bets to make those offers and I don't see either of them doing it. LAL might in the off-season if they miss on other targets, but not at this point.

We shall see. I will agree to disagree. I am looking at it from the perspective of Washington.

Contenders wouldn’t be the only ones interested in Adams and I take issue with that. There are a few teams (non-contenders) that I can think of that would love to have Adams for the next 3 years.

And I wasn’t simply saying that ONLY Adams is the key. But Adams is the major key. We would be happy to add Ferguson and/or Diallo and I wouldn’t be shocked if Presti traded the 2024 FRP unprotected to make this happen.

Ultimately, when speculating about trades, leverage is by far the most important factor and a Washington has very little which is why I believe it’s extremely possible they trade both Beal and Porter Jr. at the deadline...


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What 3rd team (contender) that could get in on a Beal to OKC trade would rather have Adams over Beal? If the framework is

Beal to OKC
Assets and contract filler to Washington
Adams to 3rd team

Why wouldn’t that team just cut OKC out and deal directly with Washington itself?

Now maybe a 3rd team would take Adams over Porter, but I’m not moving Adams for Porter if I’m OKC

[getrichordie]

No team is going to give enough value for Adams to get Beal. The only teams that would be interested in Adams are contenders and most of them don't have the youth to entice Washington and if they did they would trade for Beal themselves not facilitate the deal to get Adams. They could get a quality center much cheap, both in contract and trade value, and also have Beal which means they would be better doing that than getting Adams. You have to start thinking about why another team would want to do something and not just what benefits OKC. It would be great if we could trade Russ and Roberson for Anthony Davis and Jru then follow that up with PG for Tatum and Kyrie, and then finish with Adams for Jokic and Murray but that isn't happening because the other teams would slam down the phone.

Beal is a young player! Beal is 25!!! Do you really think adding late first round picks is going to get you something better than Beal?!?! Washington isn't trading Beal unless they get an offer with high ceiling youth and picks. Boston and maybe LAL are the best bets to make those offers and I don't see either of them doing it. LAL might in the off-season if they miss on other targets, but not at this point.

We shall see. I will agree to disagree. I am looking at it from the perspective of Washington.

Contenders wouldn’t be the only ones interested in Adams and I take issue with that. There are a few teams (non-contenders) that I can think of that would love to have Adams for the next 3 years.

And I wasn’t simply saying that ONLY Adams is the key. But Adams is the major key. We would be happy to add Ferguson and/or Diallo and I wouldn’t be shocked if Presti traded the 2024 FRP unprotected to make this happen.

Ultimately, when speculating about trades, leverage is by far the most important factor and a Washington has very little which is why I believe it’s extremely possible they trade both Beal and Porter Jr. at the deadline...


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What 3rd team (contender) that could get in on a Beal to OKC trade would rather have Adams over Beal? If the framework is

Beal to OKC
Assets and contract filler to Washington
Adams to 3rd team

Why wouldn’t that team just cut OKC out and deal directly with Washington itself?

Now maybe a 3rd team would take Adams over Porter, but I’m not moving Adams for Porter if I’m OKC

To answer the first question:

Team’s that already have an established guard rotation and want a dirt dog big with upside... The Kings come to mind.

Dallas also comes to mind as a team that has the right kind of assets for Adams but not Beal.

Keep in mind it’s going to take more than Adams to get Beal and I think you are underrating the importance of both fit and leverage here...

I.E. Adams would be way more valuable to a Dallas than to a Washington due to Adams’ salary commitment.


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