2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

Pillendreher · Post #1281 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:13 am

It worries me greatly that in over 170 games played under Donovan, he has not once found a bench lineup that has worked. Instead, we have a bunch lineups with an atrocious NetRtG:

Augustin-Waiters-Morrow-Collison-Kanter: 93.9 ORtG | 113.5 DRtG | -19.7 NetRtG | 76 minutes
Foye-Waiters Singler-Durant-Kanter: 101.4 ORtG | 124.7 DRtG | -23.2 NetRtG | 82 minutes
Christon-Abrines-Grant-Lauvergne-Kanter: 104.0 ORtG | 122.8 DRtG | -18.9 NetRtG | 80 minutes

Sure, there have been some odd lineups that worked for like 30 minutes, but he has failed completely at finding consistent combinations. And at some point it's not just a coincidence. In the 2nd half of the 2014-2015 season, our team broke about even with Russ on the bench (-0.1 NetRtG iirc). That's insanely good for a team missing premier pieces, especially since the same bench completely imploded under Donovan.

Post #1282 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:27 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Do any of these work for the other teams
Kanter for
Jordan Clarkson
Tyler Johnson
3rd team involved for Alec Burks?

That should clear enough room to keep Taj. Especially if you can get Johnson.

I think the Heat would like to keep Johnson, and Clarkson's not that good. Burks would be a great get, but I think it's unlikely that we could get him. It's hard to find a Kanter trade partner.

Post #1283 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:13 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:Do any of these work for the other teams
Kanter for
Jordan Clarkson
Tyler Johnson
3rd team involved for Alec Burks?

That should clear enough room to keep Taj. Especially if you can get Johnson.

I think the Heat would like to keep Johnson, and Clarkson's not that good. Burks would be a great get, but I think it's unlikely that we could get him. It's hard to find a Kanter trade partner.

Clarkson seems to be a pretty solid player to me. Better than sg/pg anything we have on our bench currently.

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

Post #1284 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:18 pm

Knrstz wrote:
Andre Roberstan wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:Do any of these work for the other teams
Kanter for
Jordan Clarkson
Tyler Johnson
3rd team involved for Alec Burks?

That should clear enough room to keep Taj. Especially if you can get Johnson.

I think the Heat would like to keep Johnson, and Clarkson's not that good. Burks would be a great get, but I think it's unlikely that we could get him. It's hard to find a Kanter trade partner.

Clarkson seems to be a pretty solid player to me. Better than sg/pg anything we have on our bench currently.

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

He's a fairly average combo guard. If you're fine with paying $12mil for him and saving only 10mil total over the life of Kanter's contract, sure. I don't think we can afford to do that.

Pillendreher · Post #1285 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:26 pm

I don't think the Lakers want to take up salary either. They would have to eat both Mozgov and Kanter.

Post #1286 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:32 am

What do you guys think about Caris Lavert? I don't know how high Brooklyn is on him. I've not really seen him play but he's had some decent numbers.

oeskaer · Post #1287 » by **oeskaer** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:39 am

Knrstz wrote:What do you guys think about Caris Lavert? I don't know how high Brooklyn is on him. I've not really seen him play but he's had some decent numbers.

He's their future. I don't think it'd be possible for anyone to get him right now.

Pillendreher · Post #1288 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:46 pm

Cory Joseph could be an interesting target in the summer. Solid player with a decent enough contract who's coming off a down year. The Raptors will have to shed salary to pay everybody.

spearsy23 · Post #1289 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:54 pm

Pillendreher wrote:Cory Joseph could be an interesting target in the summer. Solid player with a decent enough contract who's coming off a down year. The Raptors will have to shed salary to pay everybody.

We don't have a way to help them shed though.

Pillendreher · Post #1290 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:55 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Cory Joseph could be an interesting target in the summer. Solid player with a decent enough contract who's coming off a down year. The Raptors will have to shed salary to pay everybody.

We don't have a way to help them shed though.

This of course would involve trading Kanter (to a 3rd team).

spearsy23 · Post #1291 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:04 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Cory Joseph could be an interesting target in the summer. Solid player with a decent enough contract who's coming off a down year. The Raptors will have to shed salary to pay everybody.

We don't have a way to help them shed though.

This of course would involve trading Kanter (to a 3rd team).

I'd aim for a better scorer then Joseph in that case. Ideally we need a guy that can emulate Russ against bench players, if we can't get one then CoJo would be okay. I'd like Rubio, but I'm probably alone in that.

Pillendreher · Post #1292 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:25 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:We don't have a way to help them shed though.

This of course would involve trading Kanter (to a 3rd team).

I'd aim for a better scorer then Joseph in that case. Ideally we need a guy that can emulate Russ against bench players, if we can't get one then CoJo would be okay. I'd like Rubio, but I'm probably alone in that.

We don't need to have a 2nd Westbrook on the bench if our bench consists of solid guys. You can get away with having a more balanced unit and therefore don't need a guy doing everything.

Josep-Abrines-x-Sabonis-Johnson

with a sturdy wing defender might work well.

spearsy23 · Post #1293 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:34 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
This of course would involve trading Kanter (to a 3rd team).

I'd aim for a better scorer then Joseph in that case. Ideally we need a guy that can emulate Russ against bench players, if we can't get one then CoJo would be okay. I'd like Rubio, but I'm probably alone in that.

We don't need to have a 2nd Westbrook on the bench if our bench consists of solid guys. You can get away with having a more balanced unit and therefore don't need a guy doing everything.

Josep-Abrines-x-Sabonis-Johnson

with a sturdy wing defender might work well.

That requires an offense that works though. I agree its the right way to build, but do we really think Billy can make it work?

That's actually why I'd like Rubio, he at least creates offense for other guys and would contribute to a great defense if we committed on that end. He's too expensive unfortunately.

Post #1294 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:48 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
This of course would involve trading Kanter (to a 3rd team).

I'd aim for a better scorer then Joseph in that case. Ideally we need a guy that can emulate Russ against bench players, if we can't get one then CoJo would be okay. I'd like Rubio, but I'm probably alone in that.

We don't need to have a 2nd Westbrook on the bench if our bench consists of solid guys. You can get away with having a more balanced unit and therefore don't need a guy doing everything.

Josep-Abrines-x-Sabonis-Johnson

with a sturdy wing defender might work well.

Wonder if Tucker will stay in Toronto.

Pillendreher · Post #1295 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:10 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:I'd aim for a better scorer then Joseph in that case. Ideally we need a guy that can emulate Russ against bench players, if we can't get one then CoJo would be okay. I'd like Rubio, but I'm probably alone in that.

We don't need to have a 2nd Westbrook on the bench if our bench consists of solid guys. You can get away with having a more balanced unit and therefore don't need a guy doing everything.

Josep-Abrines-x-Sabonis-Johnson

with a sturdy wing defender might work well.

Wonder if Tucker will stay in Toronto.

Wonder if Russ would even wanna play with Tucker given their history.

Post #1296 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:37 pm

As far as Toronto goes, just check out their salary outlook after this year. It ain't pretty.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i_gxIOgkRhylf5CmNxLIVMzeCGYqIq1cTO--HAqqP_s/edit?usp=sharing

The boxes with FA salary are the player's cap hold, and Lowry's salary is me ballparking his projected max.

That's a LOT of money. Granted, their window is now, so they should probably pay it—but Masai likes teams with really good depth, and they're gonna hit problems fast if they can't move some salary.

Most likely they'd want to trade:

1) Valanciunas
2) Carroll
3) Joseph

Most likely they're able to trade:

1) Joseph
2) Carroll
3) Valanciunas

This is shaping up to be the Offseason Of Teams Trying To Trade Post-Up Big Men With Weak Defense And Failing To Get A Good Return.

Post #1297 » by **bondom34** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:43 pm

I'd gladly take Carroll or CoJo if they could move Kanter. That's still the issue.

Post #1298 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:52 pm

I think they'll be able to move Kanter. It won't be for a Jimmy Butler type player but I believe there is some team out there that will want him.

Post #1299 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:48 pm

What do you guys like of Oubre Jr from the wizards. His numbers have have dropped since the ASG and so have his minutes. Is he a guy we could guy low on? I haven't seen him play much. Is he worth it?

Post #1300 » by **bondom34** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:53 pm

Knrstz wrote:What do you guys like of Oubre Jr from the wizards. His numbers have have dropped since the ASG and so have his minutes. Is he a guy we could guy low on? I haven't seen him play much. Is he worth it?

Seems mostly like a bit more skilled version of Grant, hustle/athleticism but currently not a ton of skill from what I've seen.