Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[Kizz Fastfists]

To answer the first question:

Team’s that already have an established guard rotation and want a dirt dog big with upside... The Kings come to mind.

Dallas also comes to mind as a team that has the right kind of assets for Adams but not Beal.

Keep in mind it’s going to take more than Adams to get Beal and I think you are underrating the importance of both fit and leverage here...

I.E. Adams would be way more valuable to a Dallas than to a Washington due to Adams’ salary commitment.

Dallas has DeAndre Jordan at center and would LOVE to stick Beal next to Doncic. The problem, again, is that Dallas doesn't have the assets to get Beal to themselves or OKC. DSJ isn't enough and they are not moving Doncic and they already traded their 1st for this draft in the deal for Doncic.

Sacramento is overloaded with bigs right now and would love a wing of Beal's caliber. They have WCS, Bagley, Skal and Giles down low already and keep in mind they took Bagley over Trae and Doncic so they are really high on him. Sacramento doesn't make sense for Washington as the best player they would realistically offer is Buddy and he is OLDER than Beal! So Washington doesn't get younger or into a better rebuilding situation unless you think Buddy is better than Beal in which case why would Sacramento do it?

[Dn4sty]

To answer the first question:

Team’s that already have an established guard rotation and want a dirt dog big with upside... The Kings come to mind.

Dallas also comes to mind as a team that has the right kind of assets for Adams but not Beal.

Keep in mind it’s going to take more than Adams to get Beal and I think you are underrating the importance of both fit and leverage here...

I.E. Adams would be way more valuable to a Dallas than to a Washington due to Adams’ salary commitment.

Dallas has DeAndre Jordan at center and would LOVE to stick Beal next to Doncic. The problem, again, is that Dallas doesn't have the assets to get Beal to themselves or OKC. DSJ isn't enough and they are not moving Doncic and they already traded their 1st for this draft in the deal for Doncic.

Sacramento is overloaded with bigs right now and would love a wing of Beal's caliber. They have WCS, Bagley, Skal and Giles down low already and keep in mind they took Bagley over Trae and Doncic so they are really high on him. Sacramento doesn't make sense for Washington as the best player they would realistically offer is Buddy and he is OLDER than Beal! So Washington doesn't get younger or into a better rebuilding situation unless you think Buddy is better than Beal in which case why would Sacramento do it?

I think the only contenders who would make sense for Adams are Boston, GSW, and Lakers. Boston and Lakers would just rather just have Beal, and there is no realistic trade involving the Warriors.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I think the only contenders who would make sense for Adams are Boston, GSW, and Lakers. Boston and Lakers would just rather just have Beal, and there is no realistic trade involving the Warriors.

Toronto, but they would rather have Beal. If we are talking about all playoff contending teams I'd throw in the Hornets and Spurs, but again, they would rather have Beal and none of them have the assets to send enough value out to get OKC into the Beal sweepstakes. Beal is just a completely unrealistic target for OKC. Any Beal trade proposal is as realistic as LeBron for Schroder, Roberson, Abrines and Patterson or Anthony Davis for Schroder and Roberson. The salaries match so it is technically possible. It just would never happen.

[Dn4sty]

I think that the Wizards moving on from their expirings to get under the tax is pretty realistic. That would mean that guys like Morris, Green, Ariza, Sato could easily be available.

[getrichordie]

I think the only contenders who would make sense for Adams are Boston, GSW, and Lakers. Boston and Lakers would just rather just have Beal, and there is no realistic trade involving the Warriors.

Toronto, but they would rather have Beal. If we are talking about all playoff contending teams I'd throw in the Hornets and Spurs, but again, they would rather have Beal and none of them have the assets to send enough value out to get OKC into the Beal sweepstakes. Beal is just a completely unrealistic target for OKC. Any Beal trade proposal is as realistic as LeBron for Schroder, Roberson, Abrines and Patterson or Anthony Davis for Schroder and Roberson. The salaries match so it is technically possible. It just would never happen.

Like I said, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I just really believe that it isn’t contenders who would be the only ones interested in Adams.

Everyone thinks Bagley is a 5 and I disagree with that. I think he can play the 4 and 5 but would be more effective at the 4 but that’s another discussion and if you disagree fine, but I’m sold on this idea.

Just to throw an interesting Sacramento Kings vision out there:

Fox — Hield — Porter — Bagley — Adams

It’s too simplistic to say that Kings already have a ton of bigs and leave it at that. Sacramento could view Adams as a very significant upgrade over WCS. They may not be sold on WCS as their long-term center.



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[Woerzboerg]

In my opinion there will be no big trade until July. I think Presti won't touch the structure of the team, but I expect something like Patterson, Abrines for a wing who can shoot, e.g. Ross or Holiday and a second trade or a buy-out-signing that brings us a PF who can shoot, e.g. Anthony Tolliver. I may be wrong, but I wouldn't have that high expectations.

[ThunderBolt]

I think the only contenders who would make sense for Adams are Boston, GSW, and Lakers. Boston and Lakers would just rather just have Beal, and there is no realistic trade involving the Warriors.

Toronto, but they would rather have Beal. If we are talking about all playoff contending teams I'd throw in the Hornets and Spurs, but again, they would rather have Beal and none of them have the assets to send enough value out to get OKC into the Beal sweepstakes. Beal is just a completely unrealistic target for OKC. Any Beal trade proposal is as realistic as LeBron for Schroder, Roberson, Abrines and Patterson or Anthony Davis for Schroder and Roberson. The salaries match so it is technically possible. It just would never happen.

Like I said, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I just really believe that it isn’t contenders who would be the only ones interested in Adams.

Everyone thinks Bagley is a 5 and I disagree with that. I think he can play the 4 and 5 but would be more effective at the 4 but that’s another discussion and if you disagree fine, but I’m sold on this idea.

Just to throw an interesting Sacramento Kings vision out there:

Fox — Hield — Porter — Bagley — Adams

It’s too simplistic to say that Kings already have a ton of bigs and leave it at that. Sacramento could view Adams as a very significant upgrade over WCS. They may not be sold on WCS as their long-term center.



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That's $50 million a year in role players for the kings with Adams and Porter. Are you sure they can both afford and want to do that?

[Dn4sty]

In my opinion there will be no big trade until July. I think Presti won't touch the structure of the team, but I expect something like Patterson, Abrines for a wing who can shoot, e.g. Ross or Holiday and a second trade or a buy-out-signing that brings us a PF who can shoot, e.g. Anthony Tolliver. I may be wrong, but I wouldn't have that high expectations.

I think if this were to happen and OKC kept Diallo and Ferguson, it would be a REALLY good deadline for OKC

[Kizz Fastfists]

Just to throw an interesting Sacramento Kings vision out there:

Fox — Hield — Porter — Bagley — Adams

It’s too simplistic to say that Kings already have a ton of bigs and leave it at that. Sacramento could view Adams as a very significant upgrade over WCS. They may not be sold on WCS as their long-term center.

Then what did they trade for Adams? They didn't give up enough value, even if it was the rest of their roster, to get Beal to OKC. So OKC got Shumpert, Bjelica and Koufos and Washington got WCS, McLemore, Yogi and Giles? I guess that gets Washington out of the tax, although they'd have to pay WCS this off-season, and OKC gets some shooting. It doesn't really make sense for OKC unless you think Noel should be the starting center and will resign for the taxpayer's MLE.

Washington isn't giving away Beal for anything Sacramento or OKC has to offer and that includes combining all their logical trade assets. If Sacramento called up and offered Fox, Hield and McLemore for Beal I'm sure Washington would take that, or at least they should. It would get Washington out of the tax and then they could worry about dumping Wall in the off-season. It wouldn't make sense for Sacramento as Fox is already a top 10 PG and arguably top 6, but your whole premise to begin with is Sacramento doing something that defies all logic.

[getrichordie]

Toronto, but they would rather have Beal. If we are talking about all playoff contending teams I'd throw in the Hornets and Spurs, but again, they would rather have Beal and none of them have the assets to send enough value out to get OKC into the Beal sweepstakes. Beal is just a completely unrealistic target for OKC. Any Beal trade proposal is as realistic as LeBron for Schroder, Roberson, Abrines and Patterson or Anthony Davis for Schroder and Roberson. The salaries match so it is technically possible. It just would never happen.

Like I said, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I just really believe that it isn’t contenders who would be the only ones interested in Adams.

Everyone thinks Bagley is a 5 and I disagree with that. I think he can play the 4 and 5 but would be more effective at the 4 but that’s another discussion and if you disagree fine, but I’m sold on this idea.

Just to throw an interesting Sacramento Kings vision out there:

Fox — Hield — Porter — Bagley — Adams

It’s too simplistic to say that Kings already have a ton of bigs and leave it at that. Sacramento could view Adams as a very significant upgrade over WCS. They may not be sold on WCS as their long-term center.



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That's $50 million a year in role players for the kings with Adams and Porter. Are you sure they can both afford and want to do that?

If I’m not mistaken, the way the contracts are lined up, that’s a starting lineup that can stay together for a long time and once Adams and Porter’s contracts are up, it will be time to re-up Fox, Bagley, and Hield...


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[Woerzboerg]

I think if this were to happen and OKC kept Diallo and Ferguson, it would be a REALLY good deadline for OKC

Maybe they will lose Diallo or Ferguson in a trade at the deadline, maybe not. I don't know. I think Presti won't be hesistant to give one of them up to get a really good trade done, but not for a rental like Holiday or Ross.

[getrichordie]

As tired as you guys are of hearing me talk about trades, I’d like to propose a hypothetical...

My hope is that a bunch of guys won’t latch on to the reaction “this is stupid, this will never happen” and actually give it some thought and consider it.

Let’s say the Kings wanted Adams.

Let’s say that Presti would be interested in Hield.

What does that trade look like? What’s the discussion between the two GMs?

I think a third team would need to get involved as Kings wouldn’t be interested in giving up Hield.


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[Andre Roberstan]

As tired as you guys are of hearing me talk about trades, I’d like to propose a hypothetical...

My hope is that a bunch of guys won’t latch on to the reaction “this is stupid, this will never happen” and actually give it some thought and consider it.

Let’s say the Kings wanted Adams.

Let’s say that Presti would be interested in Hield.

What does that trade look like? What’s the discussion between the two GMs?

I think a third team would need to get involved as Kings wouldn’t be interested in giving up Hield.


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Depends how involved Ranadive is. The reason they traded with New Orleans in the first place over arguably better packages is because they wanted Hield specifically. I'm not sure, especially given how heavily frontcourt-biased they are, that they're looking for a big man.

I'm sure Presti would be interested in Hield, but I'm not sure there's anything that makes either team interested enough to break up their team.

[spearsy23]

Obviously wouldn't trade for him, and who knows what he is at this point, but if Parsons and Memphis part ways he could possibly provide some of what we're lacking on the bench.

[spearsy23]

As tired as you guys are of hearing me talk about trades, I’d like to propose a hypothetical...

My hope is that a bunch of guys won’t latch on to the reaction “this is stupid, this will never happen” and actually give it some thought and consider it.

Let’s say the Kings wanted Adams.

Let’s say that Presti would be interested in Hield.

What does that trade look like? What’s the discussion between the two GMs?

I think a third team would need to get involved as Kings wouldn’t be interested in giving up Hield.


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Depends how involved Ranadive is. The reason they traded with New Orleans in the first place over arguably better packages is because they wanted Hield specifically. I'm not sure, especially given how heavily frontcourt-biased they are, that they're looking for a big man.

I'm sure Presti would be interested in Hield, but I'm not sure there's anything that makes either team interested enough to break up their team.

Setting that aside Hield has been REALLY good and was part of the reason they felt comfortable passing on doncic, plus seems like a prime guy to end up on a semi-value contract.

[Andre Roberstan]

Obviously wouldn't trade for him, and who knows what he is at this point, but if Parsons and Memphis part ways he could possibly provide some of what we're lacking on the bench.

I was looking at that the other day. For it to be worth anything, you'd have to do Schröder/Robes (assuming Robes doesn't come back to form) and it's more or less a straight salary dump.

[spearsy23]

Obviously wouldn't trade for him, and who knows what he is at this point, but if Parsons and Memphis part ways he could possibly provide some of what we're lacking on the bench.

I was looking at that the other day. For it to be worth anything, you'd have to do Schröder/Robes (assuming Robes doesn't come back to form) and it's more or less a straight salary dump.

Is Parsons an expiring? I thought he had another year left. In which case you're saving like 2 million over the two years and really lowering your floor.

[Andre Roberstan]

Obviously wouldn't trade for him, and who knows what he is at this point, but if Parsons and Memphis part ways he could possibly provide some of what we're lacking on the bench.

I was looking at that the other day. For it to be worth anything, you'd have to do Schröder/Robes (assuming Robes doesn't come back to form) and it's more or less a straight salary dump.

Is Parsons an expiring? I thought he had another year left. In which case you're saving like 2 million over the two years and really lowering your floor.

I was thinking in the summer. He's got a year left after this one.

[getrichordie]

As tired as you guys are of hearing me talk about trades, I’d like to propose a hypothetical...

My hope is that a bunch of guys won’t latch on to the reaction “this is stupid, this will never happen” and actually give it some thought and consider it.

Let’s say the Kings wanted Adams.

Let’s say that Presti would be interested in Hield.

What does that trade look like? What’s the discussion between the two GMs?

I think a third team would need to get involved as Kings wouldn’t be interested in giving up Hield.


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Depends how involved Ranadive is. The reason they traded with New Orleans in the first place over arguably better packages is because they wanted Hield specifically. I'm not sure, especially given how heavily frontcourt-biased they are, that they're looking for a big man.

I'm sure Presti would be interested in Hield, but I'm not sure there's anything that makes either team interested enough to break up their team.

I think that Sacramento’s F.O. is looking at the long-term picture more than anything right now and I think an argument could be made that they would love to upgrade from WCS to Adams for Adams screening and offensive rebounding ability, not to mention Adams would give them more size in the post.

For what it’s worth, I think Presti would be happy to have WCS + a solid wing scorer for an Adams-plus package.


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[slick_watts]

I think that Sacramento’s F.O. is looking at the long-term picture more than anything right now and I think an argument could be made that they would love to upgrade from WCS to Adams for Adams screening and offensive rebounding ability.

For what it’s worth, I think Presti would be happy to have WCS + a solid wing scorer for an Adams-plus package.

hield has another year of rookie scale and then will probably command less than adams in 2020-21 when he's RFA (or, if he's extended by sacramento). i don't see the impetus for them to make a move on hield considering the age of their core. they probably would let wcs go but there's no reason to rush and attach a valuable player like hield to him in order to do that. they could just not sign him this summer.

depending on where sacramento is in the standings at or near the deadline i think they would part with bjelica. but i see no reason for them to trade their cheap, productive rookie scale players for anything we've got.