2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

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Post#1301 » by Old Man Game » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:27 pm

CROklahoma wrote:Abdul Nader with 31p in D-League win. With some assists, steals ...


The box score says they started him at PF. I'll never understand why they play these NBA guys on assignment at different positions down there than they'll play in the NBA. Seems like it would be hard to get into a rhythm if you were playing a totally different position and against better competition to boot.

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Post#1302 » by getrichordie » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:29 pm

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CROklahoma wrote:Abdul Nader with 31p in D-League win. With some assists, steals ...


The box score says they started him at PF. I'll never understand why they play these NBA guys on assignment at different positions down there than they'll play in the NBA. Seems like it would be hard to get into a rhythm if you were playing a totally different position and against better competition to boot.

https://basketball.realgm.com/dleague/boxscore/2018-12-02/Agua-Caliente-at-Oklahoma-City/315720


Well, if Nader can work on guarding bigger guys and be average he could be a fine Patterson replacement next season. I’m confident he can hit 3s at a high enough rate to be effective in that role down the line.


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Post#1303 » by slick_watts » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:29 pm

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CROklahoma wrote:Abdul Nader with 31p in D-League win. With some assists, steals ...


Let’s hope he can bring the same game to the floor tonight.



Also, Schroder is almost shooting 42% (41.8) on catch-and-shoot 3s according to Maddie Lee (Oklahoman).

If we can move Adams and get Beal, I don’t think it hurts Schroder’s playing time too much. I think it would be super hard to stop Beal/Westbrook/George and then have Schroder and Beal or Schroder and George run the second unit. That would be amazing.

The closing lineup would be Schroder-Westbrook-Beal-George-Grant(?)I would love to see that small ball in action.


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that lineup would get crushed. if schroder wasn't superfluous next to westbrook now he certainly will be in that unit.

if the thunder traded adams for beal then yes it should and would impact schroder's playing time unless they staggered beal or brought beal off the bench or someting. playing beal-schroder-westbrook-george together 15 minutes a game sounds disastrous.
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Post#1304 » by getrichordie » Mon Dec 3, 2018 1:36 pm

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getrichordie wrote:
CROklahoma wrote:Abdul Nader with 31p in D-League win. With some assists, steals ...


Let’s hope he can bring the same game to the floor tonight.



Also, Schroder is almost shooting 42% (41.8) on catch-and-shoot 3s according to Maddie Lee (Oklahoman).

If we can move Adams and get Beal, I don’t think it hurts Schroder’s playing time too much. I think it would be super hard to stop Beal/Westbrook/George and then have Schroder and Beal or Schroder and George run the second unit. That would be amazing.

The closing lineup would be Schroder-Westbrook-Beal-George-Grant(?)I would love to see that small ball in action.


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that lineup would get crushed. if schroder wasn't superfluous next to westbrook now he certainly will be in that unit.

if the thunder traded adams for beal then yes it should and would impact schroder's playing time unless they staggered beal or brought beal off the bench or someting. playing beal-schroder-westbrook-george together 15 minutes a game sounds disastrous.


No one said they have to play 15 minutes a game, man. They would just stagger their players. You figure out if you want the second unit to be Schroder/George/Noel or Schroder/Beal/Noel.

By the way, the Batum/Monk/Bridges rumored deal for Beal isn’t looking as good as Adams/Abrines/Ferguson.



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Post#1305 » by CROklahoma » Mon Dec 3, 2018 2:00 pm

Are you guys mental ?
Adams, Abrines, TF for Bradley **** Beal ?
Might aswell give them the 50% stocks of Thunder organisation.
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Post#1306 » by Balkman32 » Mon Dec 3, 2018 3:58 pm

CROklahoma wrote:Are you guys mental ?
Adams, Abrines, TF for Bradley **** Beal ?
Might aswell give them the 50% stocks of Thunder organisation.


I think this is what it would take to get him. The Wizards need to figure out there they are going with this organization. They should probably try to keep Beal and move everyone else. But, Beal is their best piece. If you want to reset your culture getting a guy like Steven Adams will help with that.
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Post#1307 » by CROklahoma » Mon Dec 3, 2018 4:23 pm

And thats why we're gonna reset ourselves aswell just to go and give them our whole stockpile ?

You guys are really funny if you think Sam Presti got his name around the league just to spill his whole renome ...
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Post#1308 » by Jstock12 » Mon Dec 3, 2018 4:23 pm

Steven Adams is a higher impact player than Beal.
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Post#1309 » by slick_watts » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:02 pm

Jstock12 wrote:Steven Adams is a higher impact player than Beal.


this isn't true in a vacuum but might be for our team which relies on adams orb so much.
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Post#1310 » by bondom34 » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:05 pm

Was curious, Adams off and Westbrook on has been a 112.8 ORtg in 141 possessions (small sample obviously), Westbrook + Adams a 114.0 in 806 possessions.
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Post#1311 » by slick_watts » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:08 pm

bondom34 wrote:Was curious, Adams off and Westbrook on has been a 112.8 ORtg in 141 possessions (small sample obviously), Westbrook + Adams a 114.0 in 806 possessions.


unless he gets hurt (please no) we won't get a decent sample of rw without adams, unfortunately. those two are tethered.

stats.nba.com tracks box outs now. least surprising stat of the year: adams leads the league by a wide margin in offensive box outs per game. drummond #2.
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Post#1312 » by bondom34 » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:15 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Was curious, Adams off and Westbrook on has been a 112.8 ORtg in 141 possessions (small sample obviously), Westbrook + Adams a 114.0 in 806 possessions.


unless he gets hurt (please no) we won't get a decent sample of rw without adams, unfortunately. those two are tethered.

stats.nba.com tracks box outs now. least surprising stat of the year: adams leads the league by a wide margin in offensive box outs per game. drummond #2.

Yeah wasn't really making a conclusion, just was mostly curious because last year the sample was near zero if not zero exactly. I've said itt I wouldn't move him for Beal because in part of this.
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Post#1313 » by CROklahoma » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:29 pm

bondom34 wrote:Was curious, Adams off and Westbrook on has been a 112.8 ORtg in 141 possessions (small sample obviously), Westbrook + Adams a 114.0 in 806 possessions.


Exactly what I'm implying.

Westbrook must start to do unorthodox things for him, move off the ball, cut etc. and let others do their share of work on offense aswell. The numbers prove that those guys are ready for it on some level.

Thats the only way we reach the new heights.

We have the potential that should be unlocked by our coaching staff or whoever is running the team
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Post#1314 » by RalphSampsonJr » Mon Dec 3, 2018 8:11 pm

bondom34 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Was curious, Adams off and Westbrook on has been a 112.8 ORtg in 141 possessions (small sample obviously), Westbrook + Adams a 114.0 in 806 possessions.


unless he gets hurt (please no) we won't get a decent sample of rw without adams, unfortunately. those two are tethered.

stats.nba.com tracks box outs now. least surprising stat of the year: adams leads the league by a wide margin in offensive box outs per game. drummond #2.

Yeah wasn't really making a conclusion, just was mostly curious because last year the sample was near zero if not zero exactly. I've said itt I wouldn't move him for Beal because in part of this.


Adams whole career path was designed around helping russ do his thing.
Whether it be grabbing Westbrooks misses, providing some of the best screens in the league or boxing out so russ can get downhill off the rebound.

Noel is solid no doubt but i feel it would take time for them to get the chemistry going and Noel is likely gone after this season anyway.

Giving up Adams for a relatively high useage player could go pretty wrong. I dont trust Billy with a move like this. Billy is no brad stevens
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Post#1315 » by Mattv » Mon Dec 3, 2018 8:55 pm

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/12/02/7-best-trade-offers-for-james-harden-and-oklahoma-city-thunder-in-2012/
Did anyone else read this article Golden State offered OKC Klay and a 1st round pick for Harden in 2012.First i heard of it if its true sure would have been a good pick up for OKC!!

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Post#1316 » by Pillendreher » Mon Dec 3, 2018 9:13 pm

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"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#1317 » by spearsy23 » Mon Dec 3, 2018 9:16 pm

CROklahoma wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Was curious, Adams off and Westbrook on has been a 112.8 ORtg in 141 possessions (small sample obviously), Westbrook + Adams a 114.0 in 806 possessions.


Exactly what I'm implying.

Westbrook must start to do unorthodox things for him, move off the ball, cut etc. and let others do their share of work on offense aswell. The numbers prove that those guys are ready for it on some level.

Thats the only way we reach the new heights.

We have the potential that should be unlocked by our coaching staff or whoever is running the team

What? These two posts don't go together at all :-?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1318 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Dec 3, 2018 9:17 pm

Pillendreher wrote:RPM through the first four RPM updates:

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That’s a lot of blue lines. I’m assuming Ferguson is the one at the bottom off all three and not Noel.
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Post#1319 » by Pillendreher » Mon Dec 3, 2018 9:22 pm

Knrstz wrote:That’s a lot of blue lines. I’m assuming Ferguson is the one at the bottom off all three and not Noel.


You can actually see the order in the legend below the chart: It's descending, which means best is 1st and worst is last.
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Post#1320 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Dec 3, 2018 9:32 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
Knrstz wrote:That’s a lot of blue lines. I’m assuming Ferguson is the one at the bottom off all three and not Noel.


You can actually see the order in the legend below the chart: It's descending, which means best is 1st and worst is last.

Gotcha. My bad. Didn’t show up in portrait mode.
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