2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[Andre Roberstan]

I had this discussion with sportscrazy already, but Mudiay screams "Presti reclamation project" to me.

What discussion?

PM. He did a mock offseason project on T&T and ran something by me. Originally had us taking Barton, but I suggested that Mudiay looked like a far more likely Presti target since Barton would be a rental and likely to get PAID next offseason.

[Pillendreher]

I had this discussion with sportscrazy already, but Mudiay screams "Presti reclamation project" to me.

What discussion?

PM. He did a mock offseason project on T&T and ran something by me. Originally had us taking Barton, but I suggested that Mudiay looked like a far more likely Presti target since Barton would be a rental and likely to get PAID next offseason.

OK. Well Mudiay has bust written all over him. Bottom 10 in Point Guard RPM every season; bottom 10 in BPM for all guys with at least 1000 mp every season.

We haven't exactly been a good destination for young, struggling players these past few years. The only guy that comes to mind is maybe Kanter, but his situation is kinda unique (with all the isolations we run for him).

[retrobro90]

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

[Andre Roberstan]

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

Tolliver is to Anderson as Monta Ellis is to Westbrook.

[Pillendreher]

Watch on YouTube

[ThunderBolt]

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

Is this a joke?

[retrobro90]

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

Is this a joke?

Nope. Guy has a favorable short term 8mil a year contract and is shooting 41% from 3 on 4 attempts per game as a big. I'm friends with a guy who worked with the pistons during anthony's tenure and he always said that Tolliver was the only guy there with great intangibles. We could really use a big who's a lights out shooter from outside and I'd rather take on his contract than try to out bid the market for Mike Muscala this offseason.

[Osirus89]

I had this discussion with sportscrazy already, but Mudiay screams "Presti reclamation project" to me.

What discussion?

PM. He did a mock offseason project on T&T and ran something by me. Originally had us taking Barton, but I suggested that Mudiay looked like a far more likely Presti target since Barton would be a rental and likely to get PAID next offseason.

That's a really good mock offseason for the most part. Lot of good work went into it. However....... I had one big problem with it.

So we trade on draft day and get Miles Bridges, then we flip him for Mudiay !?!?! What? We trade into the lottery to get a potentially stud wing and come away with a trash pg. We have enough of those already. At least give us jawun Evans with another pick. Mudiay sucks

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

Can tolliver play defense? Not too familiar with him.
I've been a fan of CJ miles for a while if we could clear enough cap to bring him aboard.

[Andre Roberstan]

What discussion?

PM. He did a mock offseason project on T&T and ran something by me. Originally had us taking Barton, but I suggested that Mudiay looked like a far more likely Presti target since Barton would be a rental and likely to get PAID next offseason.

That's a really good mock offseason for the most part. Lot of good work went into it. However....... I had one big problem with it.

So we trade on draft day and get Miles Bridges, then we flip him for Mudiay !?!?! What? We trade into the lottery to get a potentially stud wing and come away with a trash pg. We have enough of those already. At least give us jawun Evans with another pick. Mudiay sucks

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

Can tolliver play defense? Not too familiar with him.
I've been a fan of CJ miles for a while if we could clear enough cap to bring him aboard.

Tolliver can't play a lick of defense. He's decent at taking charges, though.

The original trade he did on draft day was completely stupid IMO, and basically the second trade was just undoing it.

[retrobro90]

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

Can tolliver play defense? Not too familiar with him.
I've been a fan of CJ miles for a while if we could clear enough cap to bring him aboard.

Tolliver is a decent defender, understands and commits to the scheme, can switch out but you don't want him guarding quick dribble penetrators in iso situations. Can't protect the rim but he's a guy thats trending upward in terms of defensive value based on how much smaller the league is getting and how switch heavy modern defenses are. Can play stretches at the 5 as well.

[alessandrux]

Tolliver might be worth a shot (but for me 8 millions seems to much for him), but i would much rather have a real stretch-4, someone who can at least defend wings at an okay rate.
I would even consider to trade Oladipo for some good wing/stretch-4 (Marvin Williams???).

I think a stretch-4 could help us with many of our problems, we can play Roberson without suffering too much on offense, it also could help to give Steven some space inside.
My favored lineup for next year is WB-Abrines-Roberson-Wing-Adams/Gibson.

I would also like us to trade McDermott.
For me he is a clear cut net negative.

What about Sefolosha as another potential target(not sure if he would like to return) ?

[oken]

I've been licking my chops over some of the kings older dudes that don't fit their timeline. Specifically Anthony Tolliver. Could be our black Ryan Anderson and has been known his whole career as a great locker room guy.

Is this a joke?

Nope. Guy has a favorable short term 8mil a year contract and is shooting 41% from 3 on 4 attempts per game as a big. I'm friends with a guy who worked with the pistons during anthony's tenure and he always said that Tolliver was the only guy there with great intangibles. We could really use a big who's a lights out shooter from outside and I'd rather take on his contract than try to out bid the market for Mike Muscala this offseason.

Can I just remind you that Presti has sent Ersan after 3 games who is 40% 3-pt shooter and league leader in taken charges for many seasons? Also after saying these about him 2 months ago:

Ersan has a partial guarantee before July 1st? (Is there a chance you won't pick up the option)?
Presti: "No, we traded for him because we think he's a good, complementary player to our core players. He led the league in charges taken last season. He's a 74, 75 percentile, three-point shooter at that position. He's an excellent offensive rebounder. He stretches the floor and as we know in today's league, having people that do that is hard to find. But that thing, again, like I said for a lot of these guys, he has a toughness that we really like.

What makes you think any vet would believe what Presti says about them when he pulls the trigger faster than Clint Eastwood when he finds a "promising","reclamation project" young talent to replace them?

[bondom34]

Is this a joke?

Nope. Guy has a favorable short term 8mil a year contract and is shooting 41% from 3 on 4 attempts per game as a big. I'm friends with a guy who worked with the pistons during anthony's tenure and he always said that Tolliver was the only guy there with great intangibles. We could really use a big who's a lights out shooter from outside and I'd rather take on his contract than try to out bid the market for Mike Muscala this offseason.

Can I just remind you that Presti has sent Ersan after 3 games who is 40% 3-pt shooter and league leader in taken charges for many seasons? Also after saying these about him 2 months ago:

Ersan has a partial guarantee before July 1st? (Is there a chance you won't pick up the option)?
Presti: "No, we traded for him because we think he's a good, complementary player to our core players. He led the league in charges taken last season. He's a 74, 75 percentile, three-point shooter at that position. He's an excellent offensive rebounder. He stretches the floor and as we know in today's league, having people that do that is hard to find. But that thing, again, like I said for a lot of these guys, he has a toughness that we really like.

What makes you think any vet would believe what Presti says about them when he pulls the trigger faster than Clint Eastwood when he finds a "promising","reclamation project" young talent to replace them?

This is literally what every single GM says. Nobody says "yep, we just got him but he's outta here".

[spearsy23]

I had this discussion with sportscrazy already, but Mudiay screams "Presti reclamation project" to me.

I'd had that thought too, but there's the question of what we have that Denver would want and rather Mudiay is actually better than any of the point guards you could get with a second round pick. If not for his pre- draft hype nobody would consider him a legitimate prospect. I'm still on the frank mason train, admitting bias. Isiah briscoe has great size and really looks to push the ball, he could be a good Russ-lite backup getting kanter/Doug/Alex transition looks.

[Pillendreher]

I had this discussion with sportscrazy already, but Mudiay screams "Presti reclamation project" to me.

I'd had that thought too, but there's the question of what we have that Denver would want

Sign and trade for Robes. Don't underestimate Presti.

[bondom34]

I had this discussion with sportscrazy already, but Mudiay screams "Presti reclamation project" to me.

I'd had that thought too, but there's the question of what we have that Denver would want

Sign and trade for Robes. Don't underestimate Presti.

Pretty sure they have cap space. They want him, they sign him.

[RKAnthony]

Hey bondom, the new user name can't private message yet and I need to ask you about something.

RK

[spearsy23]

I'd had that thought too, but there's the question of what we have that Denver would want

Sign and trade for Robes. Don't underestimate Presti.

Pretty sure they have cap space. They want him, they sign him.

Either way that makes us worse, no bueno.

[Pillendreher]

Sign and trade for Robes. Don't underestimate Presti.

Pretty sure they have cap space. They want him, they sign him.

Either way that makes us worse, no bueno.

Wouldn't be the first time that happened after a Presti trade.

[bondom34]

Pretty sure they have cap space. They want him, they sign him.

Either way that makes us worse, no bueno.

Wouldn't be the first time that happened after a Presti trade.

It would be better than the alternative of just losing Robes for nothing I'd think.