Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[getrichordie]

I’m not sure they have to make a decision. I think you can find more than enough time for everyone, even if they upgrade at SF with Porter. Bogdan has even played some backup PG/facilitator.

The player who would be perfect for the Kings if he was 100% is Roberson

Interesting. So you think Sacramento can, in theory, keep both Hield and Bogey happy?


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Everyone on the Kings is too young to be disgruntled. Bogdan can play off bench as backup SF and SG and even a few minutes of point.

I think the question is not keeping everyone happy as much as the age difference between Hield and Fox/Bagley.

I don’t think it’s a big deal as I think Buddy has been so good. I’m not sure I’d get Porter if I’m Kings unless Wiz just want expirings and a 2nd. I think RHJ would do wonders for that team and I’m guessing you can get him for next to nothing

That’s a fair point.

I can’t remember which podcast that I was listening to where they were talking about Vlade and the Kings and they were of the opinion that Vlade doesn’t care if the Kings make the playoffs and that he just wants to get younger and make sure he’s putting the right pieces around Fox and Bagley.

I kind of think Vlade would want to make the playoffs so Fox and Bagley get that experience. So I think Sacramento could be looking to make a trade that helps them get younger and more sustainable long-term AND helps them make the playoffs.

I can kind of see where an Adams/Abrines/Ferguson for WCS/Hield swap could make sense in a vacuum with expirings + Hield going to a third team to bring back Beal. Washington gets Porter to Sacramento in this scenario so they can get below the tax line. Schroder could be involved as well if Washington wants him as a pre-emptive move to replace Wall who they will try and trade next year.

Or we keep Schroder and Washington gets the Feltons/Masons/Ferrells to lead the tank.



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[ThunderBolt]

I’m a huge Ingram fan, but I can see Sacramento looking for a younger off-ball player to put in between Fox-Bogie-Bagley so that Fox and Bagley get their reps.

Abrines + Diallo + 2024 FRP (protected) for Hield + McLemore?

Just spitballing on that trade idea.

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at this point abrines and McLemore are nothings.

So diallo/protected first for hield? I think that's a pretty easy no from Sacramento. You'd probably have to add Ferguson too and even then I'm not sure.

Thanks for the input. I think Abrines trade value is very questionable due to the weird stuff going on right now with him being sick and him taking personal leave.

However, if his prognosis is 100% healthy and whatever’s going on with him gets resolved, I think he has a lot of value in the sense that he could be retained for cheap and he’s a hell of a floor spacer and that’s about it. You can’t even say that about McLemore.

EDIT: If Sacramento wanted Abrines, what do you think they would be willing to give up?

Abrines + Felton

for

McLemore + Ferrell/Mason?

I can see Sacramento being interested in Felton as a veteran presence who can play point in a pinch.


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Forget about his health. His trade value is questionable because he’s not good as basketball.

[getrichordie]

at this point abrines and McLemore are nothings.

So diallo/protected first for hield? I think that's a pretty easy no from Sacramento. You'd probably have to add Ferguson too and even then I'm not sure.

Thanks for the input. I think Abrines trade value is very questionable due to the weird stuff going on right now with him being sick and him taking personal leave.

However, if his prognosis is 100% healthy and whatever’s going on with him gets resolved, I think he has a lot of value in the sense that he could be retained for cheap and he’s a hell of a floor spacer and that’s about it. You can’t even say that about McLemore.

EDIT: If Sacramento wanted Abrines, what do you think they would be willing to give up?

Abrines + Felton

for

McLemore + Ferrell/Mason?

I can see Sacramento being interested in Felton as a veteran presence who can play point in a pinch.


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Forget about his health. His trade value is questionable because he’s not good as basketball.

He’s a cheap shooter that can’t create his own shot. He’s not a very good basketball player, but cheap floor spaces still have value.


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[ThunderBolt]

Thanks for the input. I think Abrines trade value is very questionable due to the weird stuff going on right now with him being sick and him taking personal leave.

However, if his prognosis is 100% healthy and whatever’s going on with him gets resolved, I think he has a lot of value in the sense that he could be retained for cheap and he’s a hell of a floor spacer and that’s about it. You can’t even say that about McLemore.

EDIT: If Sacramento wanted Abrines, what do you think they would be willing to give up?

Abrines + Felton

for

McLemore + Ferrell/Mason?

I can see Sacramento being interested in Felton as a veteran presence who can play point in a pinch.


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Forget about his health. His trade value is questionable because he’s not good as basketball.

He’s a cheap shooter that can’t create his own shot. He’s not a very good basketball player, but cheap floor spaces still have value.


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You can get what he offers cheaper than what he’s paid.

[ThunderBolt]

Nugget fans seem willing to accept a 2nd for Lyles. I would still take a chance on him.

[getrichordie]

Forget about his health. His trade value is questionable because he’s not good as basketball.

He’s a cheap shooter that can’t create his own shot. He’s not a very good basketball player, but cheap floor spaces still have value.


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You can get what he offers cheaper than what he’s paid.

Can you give me an example of someone who can play the 2/3 that’s a sharp shooter that is cheaper than Abrines?


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[spearsy23]

He’s a cheap shooter that can’t create his own shot. He’s not a very good basketball player, but cheap floor spaces still have value.


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You can get what he offers cheaper than what he’s paid.

Can you give me an example of someone who can play the 2/3 that’s a sharp shooter that is cheaper than Abrines?


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Malik Beasley
Bryn Forbes
Reggie Bullock
Nick young
Tomas satoransky
Rodney hood
Vince Carter
Troy Daniels
Svi Mykhailiuk

[slick_watts]

Nugget fans seem willing to accept a 2nd for Lyles. I would still take a chance on him.

this is where repeater tax gets you. trading a 2nd for lyles would cost us $16 million. we'd have to match salaries.

[slick_watts]

i find it easy to envision a player's value by finding similar players on other teams and being honest about the comparison. royce o'neal is playing under a non-guaranteed contract. he's the same age as abrines, about the same kind of shooter, but he can also is a bit more range-y and more capable defensively.

alonzo trier was a recently converted two-way contract for the knicks. he's shooting well and was an undrafted rookie.

darius miller was drafted by new orleans in 2013, was bad for a few years, then played in germany for a few years. he came back to the nba last year and is playing for less than half of what abrines is making this year while shooting better.

the thunder stockpile athletic talent with zero shooting ability. but shooting ability is not a rare wing skill in today's nba. over 70 wings this year have attempted 50 or more threes at > 36%, that's more than enough for two per team. nobody wants alex abrines.

[getrichordie]

You can get what he offers cheaper than what he’s paid.

Can you give me an example of someone who can play the 2/3 that’s a sharp shooter that is cheaper than Abrines?


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Malik Beasley
Bryn Forbes
Reggie Bullock
Nick young
Tomas satoransky
Rodney hood
Vince Carter
Troy Daniels
Svi Mykhailiuk

Should I have said “cheaper long-term?”

And some of these guys aren’t strictly catch and shoot like Alex. I think Abrines probably fetches a $3M payday or a one-year prove-to-me-you-aren’t-dead deal.

Also, Abrines is better defender (even if just slightly) than some of these guys.



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[getrichordie]

i find it easy to envision a player's value by finding similar players on other teams and being honest about the comparison. royce o'neal is playing under a non-guaranteed contract. he's the same age as abrines, about the same kind of shooter, but he can also is a bit more range-y and more capable defensively.

alonzo trier was a recently converted two-way contract for the knicks. he's shooting well and was an undrafted rookie.

darius miller was drafted by new orleans in 2013, was bad for a few years, then played in germany for a few years. he came back to the nba last year and is playing for less than half of what abrines is making this year while shooting better.

the thunder stockpile athletic talent with zero shooting ability. but shooting ability is not a rare wing skill in today's nba. over 70 wings this year have attempted 50 or more threes at > 36%, that's more than enough for two per team. nobody wants alex abrines.

Really shocked to hear you say this. So you think no one would want a $5M floor spacer that can be retained long-term for cheap? I’m floored.

There’s quite a lot of teams who would be interested in a healthy Abrines, in my opinion.


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[slick_watts]

i find it easy to envision a player's value by finding similar players on other teams and being honest about the comparison. royce o'neal is playing under a non-guaranteed contract. he's the same age as abrines, about the same kind of shooter, but he can also is a bit more range-y and more capable defensively.

alonzo trier was a recently converted two-way contract for the knicks. he's shooting well and was an undrafted rookie.

darius miller was drafted by new orleans in 2013, was bad for a few years, then played in germany for a few years. he came back to the nba last year and is playing for less than half of what abrines is making this year while shooting better.

the thunder stockpile athletic talent with zero shooting ability. but shooting ability is not a rare wing skill in today's nba. over 70 wings this year have attempted 50 or more threes at > 36%, that's more than enough for two per team. nobody wants alex abrines.

Really shocked to hear you say this. So you think no one would want a $5M floor spacer that can be retained long-term for cheap? I’m floored.

There’s quite a lot of teams who would be interested in a healthy Abrines, in my opinion.

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interested in signing him this summer? perhaps, depending on how much he costs. interest in him in a trade? no. he has little to no trade value. your assertion that he 'can be retained long-term for cheap' is a red herring. he can't be retained until he becomes a restricted free agent this summer and then anyone can sign him to an offer sheet. he's only under contract this season. that's what teams would be trading for.

there are a lot of wings who can shoot in the nba who make a lot less than abrines. you can probably find one in the g-league right now without much effort.

[Dn4sty]

i find it easy to envision a player's value by finding similar players on other teams and being honest about the comparison. royce o'neal is playing under a non-guaranteed contract. he's the same age as abrines, about the same kind of shooter, but he can also is a bit more range-y and more capable defensively.

alonzo trier was a recently converted two-way contract for the knicks. he's shooting well and was an undrafted rookie.

darius miller was drafted by new orleans in 2013, was bad for a few years, then played in germany for a few years. he came back to the nba last year and is playing for less than half of what abrines is making this year while shooting better.

the thunder stockpile athletic talent with zero shooting ability. but shooting ability is not a rare wing skill in today's nba. over 70 wings this year have attempted 50 or more threes at > 36%, that's more than enough for two per team. nobody wants alex abrines.

Really shocked to hear you say this. So you think no one would want a $5M floor spacer that can be retained long-term for cheap? I’m floored.

There’s quite a lot of teams who would be interested in a healthy Abrines, in my opinion.

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interested in signing him this summer? perhaps, depending on how much he costs. interest in him in a trade? no. he has little to no trade value. your assertion that he 'can be retained long-term for cheap' is a red herring. he can't be retained until he becomes a restricted free agent this summer and then anyone can sign him to an offer sheet. he's only under contract this season. that's what teams would be trading for.

there are a lot of wings who can shoot in the nba who make a lot less than abrines. you can probably find one in the g-league right now without much effort.

Don’t be a jerk just to be one. We all know he meant as a restricted FA, that the team owning his rights can retain him regardless by matching.

[ThunderBolt]

Really shocked to hear you say this. So you think no one would want a $5M floor spacer that can be retained long-term for cheap? I’m floored.

There’s quite a lot of teams who would be interested in a healthy Abrines, in my opinion.

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interested in signing him this summer? perhaps, depending on how much he costs. interest in him in a trade? no. he has little to no trade value. your assertion that he 'can be retained long-term for cheap' is a red herring. he can't be retained until he becomes a restricted free agent this summer and then anyone can sign him to an offer sheet. he's only under contract this season. that's what teams would be trading for.

there are a lot of wings who can shoot in the nba who make a lot less than abrines. you can probably find one in the g-league right now without much effort.

Don’t be a jerk just to be one. We all know he meant as a restricted FA, that the team owning his rights can retain him regardless by matching.

I don't think there was anything in the post that was being a jerk. Any team trading for him as a RFA has to make sure they have money to retain him in case he gets an offer sheet outside their budget. If they can't then he essentially a rental. Think about a team that's in a situation like ours. Any RFA we trade for we have plan on them leaving or feel extremely confident we can re-sign them for a specific amount depending on what salary leaves during the trade. Abrines isn't a bargain contract.

[getrichordie]

interested in signing him this summer? perhaps, depending on how much he costs. interest in him in a trade? no. he has little to no trade value. your assertion that he 'can be retained long-term for cheap' is a red herring. he can't be retained until he becomes a restricted free agent this summer and then anyone can sign him to an offer sheet. he's only under contract this season. that's what teams would be trading for.

there are a lot of wings who can shoot in the nba who make a lot less than abrines. you can probably find one in the g-league right now without much effort.

Don’t be a jerk just to be one. We all know he meant as a restricted FA, that the team owning his rights can retain him regardless by matching.

I don't think there was anything in the post that was being a jerk. Any team trading for him as a RFA has to make sure they have money to retain him in case he gets an offer sheet outside their budget. If they can't then he essentially a rental. Think about a team that's in a situation like ours. Any RFA we trade for we have plan on them leaving or feel extremely confident we can re-sign them for a specific amount depending on what salary leaves during the trade. Abrines isn't a bargain contract.

He might not be a bargain contract, but would it surprise you if a Vlade thinks he can re-sign Abrines to a 1-year prove-it deal or that Vlade is okay with paying Abrines 15/3? With the cap increase around the corner, that's a fair contract for what Abrines provides.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I think that Sacramento’s F.O. is looking at the long-term picture more than anything right now and I think an argument could be made that they would love to upgrade from WCS to Adams for Adams screening and offensive rebounding ability, not to mention Adams would give them more size in the post.

For what it’s worth, I think Presti would be happy to have WCS + a solid wing scorer for an Adams-plus package.

Which solid wing from Sacramento are you talking about? Sumpert? McLemore? How much are you going to pay WCS and that wing this off-season when both are FAs? Will they even want to stay in OKC? WCS is a RFA so technically, Presti could just match whatever he gets like he did when Portland suckered him into giving Kanter a max. It would be the same situation. Presti would have to match whatever offer WCS got or lose him and have no cap space to replace him.

Are you really sure that Sacramento sees Adams over WCS as a significant upgrade, especially given the salary and cap consequences? WCS is putting up more points, rebounds and assists per 36 minutes than Adams while they are equal in blocks and steals. Does Adams raise the ceiling for Sacramento? He's not someone like Jokic who can create his own offense. Adams is a GREAT traditional big man and arguably the best in the NBA right now. However, the traditional big man is all but dead in today's NBA. If Sacramento wanted to move WCS I'd think Boston would be a better landing spot for Jaylen Brown. Brown is an extra piece in Boston, but has the upside and cost control that Sacramento would want so they could try to land elite FAs to push them up the food chain. WCS in the middle of Boston's defense would give them a nice boost, especially since they have to go through Embiid in the playoffs for the next decade or so.

I think any GM who calls gets hung up on as soon as the name Russ, PG, Roberson or Adams comes out of their mouth because that is more in line with who Presti is. I don't think any team would make an offer big enough for Adams for Presti to consider it. I think the overpay would have to be so significant to get Presti to give up one of his guys that no team would ever do it. I believe Presti is as stubborn as I am and that is why Russ will finish his career in OKC and they will miss the playoffs for a decade straight during the end of Russ and the next rebuild instead of skipping half of that time by just going into the rebuild when the timing was right.

[Kizz Fastfists]

He might not be a bargain contract, but would it surprise you if a Vlade thinks he can re-sign Abrines to a 1-year prove-it deal or that Vlade is okay with paying Abrines 15/3? With the cap increase around the corner, that's a fair contract for what Abrines provides.

As low of my opinion of Vlade is both of those would surprise me. Abrines is an established 38% 3pt shooter and those guys tend to get overpaid by someone come the off-season. If I were going to trade for Abrines I would see him as a rental or be prepared to match the 4/$40M offer someone will likely give him. If he stays in OKC I expect his contract to be about the same as Roberson and Grant are making, $8-10M/yr.

[Andre Roberstan]

He might not be a bargain contract, but would it surprise you if a Vlade thinks he can re-sign Abrines to a 1-year prove-it deal or that Vlade is okay with paying Abrines 15/3? With the cap increase around the corner, that's a fair contract for what Abrines provides.

As low of my opinion of Vlade is both of those would surprise me. Abrines is an established 38% 3pt shooter and those guys tend to get overpaid by someone come the off-season. If I were going to trade for Abrines I would see him as a rental or be prepared to match the 4/$40M offer someone will likely give him. If he stays in OKC I expect his contract to be about the same as Roberson and Grant are making, $8-10M/yr.

Yeah, Joe Harris got 8. I'd expect to see him get offers in the 6 to 8 mil a year range.

[ThunderBolt]

He might not be a bargain contract, but would it surprise you if a Vlade thinks he can re-sign Abrines to a 1-year prove-it deal or that Vlade is okay with paying Abrines 15/3? With the cap increase around the corner, that's a fair contract for what Abrines provides.

As low of my opinion of Vlade is both of those would surprise me. Abrines is an established 38% 3pt shooter and those guys tend to get overpaid by someone come the off-season. If I were going to trade for Abrines I would see him as a rental or be prepared to match the 4/$40M offer someone will likely give him. If he stays in OKC I expect his contract to be about the same as Roberson and Grant are making, $8-10M/yr.

Yeah, Joe Harris got 8. I'd expect to see him get offers in the 6 to 8 mil a year range.

Maybe if he improves his percentages but Harris was coming off a year where he shot 10% above what Abrines is right now and he did so at a higher volume while playing 78 games. Its not too late for Alex but he's not setting himself up for a good pay day.

[Andre Roberstan]

As low of my opinion of Vlade is both of those would surprise me. Abrines is an established 38% 3pt shooter and those guys tend to get overpaid by someone come the off-season. If I were going to trade for Abrines I would see him as a rental or be prepared to match the 4/$40M offer someone will likely give him. If he stays in OKC I expect his contract to be about the same as Roberson and Grant are making, $8-10M/yr.

Yeah, Joe Harris got 8. I'd expect to see him get offers in the 6 to 8 mil a year range.

Maybe if he improves his percentages but Harris was coming off a year where he shot 10% above what Abrines is right now and he did so at a higher volume while playing 78 games. Its not too late for Alex but he's not setting himself up for a good pay day.

He's not doing himself any favors, for sure (and I think Harris is better). IDK. But there are a few fairly one-dimensional guys that are getting decent paydays out there and I wouldn't be shocked if somebody threw him a few bucks.

(I also wouldn't be surprised if he shoots a higher percentage somewhere else.)