OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion

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Re: OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion 

Post#1361 » by kdthunderup » Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:20 pm

slick_watts wrote:if we're trying to win i think we need to shelve ousmane dieng in these traditional lineups and stick to joe-wiggins-waters trio instead. dieng has shown he can have value going small, but when we're playing a 'center' (sarr, saric, j-will), i don't think there's a rotation spot for ous that makes any sense. ous and lindy being ahead of wiggins in the depth chart in the first place is bizarre to me.

thunder are league average-ish as a 3pt shooting team but don't shoot a ton of them. dort-giddey is a problem there, the clippers really made the thunder pay for having them on the court together on both ends early in the game. in 2h with sarr in there i thought we were really laboring for points. after that dort-giddey didn't play a possession together until less than a minute remaining in the game.


I think it’s still more important at this stage to still prioritise development over winning. Ous right now is a net negative player but I like what I’ve seen of his game and think he has potential to develop into a really solid player for us - he also looks like he will develop into a handy 3pt threat which we need.

If Chet can become a strong 3pt threat and Williams continues to develop then that will alleviate some of the issues with those 2 playing together. But you get the feeling one of these guys will have to be moved on or take a reduced role to unlock the teams full potential. I think Giddey overall is the better player but Dort is the only guy who can consistently be a point of attack defender on guards which is invaluable in the playoffs.
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Re: OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion 

Post#1362 » by Zagor » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:50 am

jake_swivel wrote:If Poku doesn’t come back to the big leagues for the rest of the season, what kind of extension would you offer, if any?

I wouldn't offer him any extension.

His defense will take years just to become average. I don't see him as productive player.

If you have Chet, you should have at least one C or bigger PF who is strong and athletic. In this draft, Noah Clowney is very interesting player. In mock drafts, he is usually picked in late first round. He is big and mobile, can shoot some threes, he is very talented defender and plays with effort.

I would rather have him on rookie contract then Poku on similar deal like Kenrich.
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Post#1363 » by jake_swivel » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:35 am

Zagor wrote:I wouldn't offer him any extension.

His defense will take years just to become average. I don't see him as productive player.

If you have Chet, you should have at least one C or bigger PF who is strong and athletic.


I’m unsure if I would offer an extension. But I actually think that a fully realized Poku fits quite well with Chet, both offensively and defensively.

Defensively, while Poku isn’t a great perimeter defender, he does get his length in passing lanes. His weak side shot blocking is quite good. His man to man defense down low has improved. With shai, dort, and Santa Clara Williams on the perimeter and Chet/Poku as “bigs”, I think that defense works. The length would be super annoying for the other team.

Offensively, his decision making worries me and his shooting has been poor. He did up his 3 point shooting to 36% in a 30 game sample size. His corner 3 was looking dependable, but who knows if it was a flash in the pan.

Clearly G-league stats don’t translate. But this was what he put up yesterday:

five points, eight rebounds, eight assists, four blocks, three steals

That’s a wild stat line that works perfectly in a system where shai, Chet, Jalen, and giddey all have to eat. I’m not saying that he’s worth an extension. But if he puts it together, he’s actually a pretty great fit at the 4 to go along with shai, Jalen, and Chet.

His motor is a concern. He still looks lost on defense at times. He’s good for at least one head scratching play a game (probably multiple). I have no faith in his increased 3 point shooting %. But man, if he puts it together, it works. And it would be very, very fun/weird to watch.

I get not wanting to offer him, though.
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Post#1364 » by slick_watts » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:35 pm

in his three g-league games this year poku had 11% block rate, 40% assist, and 32% defensive reb. he can't score efficiency there, he sucks, because he tries to play like he's kobe bryant. and obviously he has struggled with that in the nba too. but there's a lot there aside from scoring that make him an intriguing role player. i'd want to get him on an extension it just is difficult to see how the thunder and poku come to agreement on what is fair value considering he's only played 700 minute this year and most of what he can bring to the table is still theoretical.

i wouldn't be surprised if poku was the first player in sam presti's career he takes to rfa with the intention of negotiating with him in free agency.
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Post#1365 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:52 pm

slick_watts wrote:in his three g-league games this year poku had 11% block rate, 40% assist, and 32% defensive reb. he can't score efficiency there, he sucks, because he tries to play like he's kobe bryant. and obviously he has struggled with that in the nba too. but there's a lot there aside from scoring that make him an intriguing role player. i'd want to get him on an extension it just is difficult to see how the thunder and poku come to agreement on what is fair value considering he's only played 700 minute this year and most of what he can bring to the table is still theoretical.

i wouldn't be surprised if poku was the first player in sam presti's career he takes to rfa with the intention of negotiating with him in free agency.

Didn't Roberson go to rfa?
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Post#1366 » by slick_watts » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:56 pm

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slick_watts wrote:in his three g-league games this year poku had 11% block rate, 40% assist, and 32% defensive reb. he can't score efficiency there, he sucks, because he tries to play like he's kobe bryant. and obviously he has struggled with that in the nba too. but there's a lot there aside from scoring that make him an intriguing role player. i'd want to get him on an extension it just is difficult to see how the thunder and poku come to agreement on what is fair value considering he's only played 700 minute this year and most of what he can bring to the table is still theoretical.

i wouldn't be surprised if poku was the first player in sam presti's career he takes to rfa with the intention of negotiating with him in free agency.


Didn't Roberson go to rfa?


yeah, he did.
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Post#1367 » by ThunderBorn » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:58 pm

So I have to ask.. if we make a run in the playoffs, any chance Chet gets on the court? Probably not, but fun to think about
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Post#1368 » by cjmcallist » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:35 pm

ThunderBorn wrote:So I have to ask.. if we make a run in the playoffs, any chance Chet gets on the court? Probably not, but fun to think about

That would be fun but I don’t think there’s any way that happens.

1 it’s risky with little upside
2 I believe Schlecht (D2D pod) has said that Chet really wants the ROY award
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Post#1369 » by jake_swivel » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:58 pm

cjmcallist wrote:I believe Schlecht (D2D pod) has said that Chet really wants the ROY award


Not that I think there is any way he’d return, but from what I’ve read, he’d still be eligible if he didn’t play any regular season games.
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Re: OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion 

Post#1370 » by Clav » Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:04 pm

He will be eligible next season for the ROY award, just look at Griffin, and Simmons for previous examples. CH should have a leg up on the competition coming in this draft.

Any player that has this delayed start to their career is going to come out hungry to prove themselves, so I'm hoping for Holmgren to be looking to impact games right from the start. Would be great if he can be 15/10/3A/1.5B throughout the season. That PPG could fluctuate throughout the season, he's obviously capable of scoring 20 in a game, but likely not to be that high, and might not even get to 15PPG. Giddey and Dort are right at that point.
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Re: OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion 

Post#1371 » by Dadouv47 » Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:21 pm

I'm not worried about Chet offensive impact. I just want to see him healthy and playing good defense. Rest will come.
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Post#1372 » by ThunderBorn » Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:40 pm

https://youtu.be/0wVR3gG5crs

I know it’s just shoot around, but looks like he’s moving around pretty good
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Post#1373 » by Big nick » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:45 am

I sure like chet but man he sure looks fragile needs some muscle very bad. But on another note the boys are shameful tanking beating lac while tanking sure is hard to do. Lac having all those Allstars and getting beat at home is shameful.
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Post#1374 » by Dadouv47 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:16 am

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Post#1375 » by QPR » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:28 am

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Post#1376 » by vtime » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:37 am

Amazing job with all the injuries this season.
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Re: OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion 

Post#1377 » by Dadouv47 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:55 am

I'm pissed we lost but I'm glad we felt to 11th. It's weird.
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Post#1378 » by Mr Thunder Nick » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:56 am

It's time that Lu Dort understands his role in this team. If not he must be traded. He takes to much shots the whole season. When the Clips started her run last night, it was a lot due to Lu's poor offensive game.
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Post#1379 » by cjmcallist » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:07 pm

Crazy drop in standings. What a wild year. Is some of our success fools gold?

I’m okay with that loss. Young team in LA for a week, coming off that big win. It’s understandable.

Tonight will be telling, we can beat the Lakers.
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Post#1380 » by cjmcallist » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:09 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:It's time that Lu Dort understands his role in this team. If not he must be traded. He takes to much shots the whole season. When the Clips started her run last night, it was a lot due to Lu's poor offensive game.

He’s such a catch 22. I feel the tension too. Some days I want him gone, some days I think we need him.

I’d much rather have him than Roberson type at least. Our offense got so bogged down with Robs. Dort takes bad shots (kind of reminds me of a young Westbrook), but he does keep the offense moving.

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