2018 Offseason Thread

[ThunderBolt]

http://newsok.com/depth-and-taxes-uncertain-as-thunder-faces-cap-strapped-offseason/article/5593010

Yeah the penalty is massive. If I'm reading cbafaq.com right, each additional dollar spent could add 4-5 extra dollars in tax penalties. Taxpayer MLE money would turn into a 25-30 million a year (!) investment.

Its only one year then the Thunder would most likely go back under the cap. w/ Melo's $28 million coming off the books.

And Russ will be 32.

[Balkman32]

That he will. Man I guess this off season shall be giantiac.

I cant believe that George will be willing to sign a 5 year max extension here.

[InTheSabonus]

I'm very indifferent about Presti nowadays. Everything he does just ends up backfiring one way or another. He can pull out a good trade (1 season of Ibaka into 1 season and a shot at retaining PG: Good) and then he'll find a way for us to come out poorly (Oladipo kills it at Indiana, PG's probably gone: Bad). He can fire Scott Brooks (good) and replace him with someone of equal or lesser effectiveness (...bad).

Signing dudes like Fisher, Butler, Foye and Brewer, questionable drafting post-Adams, 3 first round picks gone for Waiters, Kanter and Grant; not even arguing the merit of whether or not they are/were worth them, because two are gone and Grant probably is too, and just the way he constructs a roster in general.

You can do worse in terms of managing the team. But honestly, I'm just over moves backfiring and making us look bad while he struggles to put the right pieces around the stars he's had/has.

[Balkman32]

http://newsok.com/depth-and-taxes-uncertain-as-thunder-faces-cap-strapped-offseason/article/5593010

Yeah the penalty is massive. If I'm reading cbafaq.com right, each additional dollar spent could add 4-5 extra dollars in tax penalties. Taxpayer MLE money would turn into a 25-30 million a year (!) investment.

The grant trade looked horrible up until recently. About the time it looks like grant will be a good contributor we are likely to let him walk. We don’t even have the option to match him because we skimped in the offseason and made him an UFA. I’m not a Presti hater but this is really bad, in my opinion. Really bad.

They would have had to sign Grant this past year and it could have made the Tax even more. So it wasent a bad move to convert Grant to the UFA this year esp w/ the lack of money out on the market.

This is all if PG13 re-signs. If he resigns Presti has his work cut our for him. If he doesnt I think its time to start looking at this team w/o out its Leader, and how that looks moving forward.

Presti has been a very good GM one that I usually just agree with him. But, we got way too cute with the Harden trade, and I know it brought back Abrines and Adams. We really should have played out that season with Harden.

We might end up losing Harden, Durant, and George in a 6 year period and only got something for Harden.

[Balkman32]

I'm very indifferent about Presti nowadays. Everything he does just ends up backfiring one way or another. He can pull out a good trade (1 season of Ibaka into 1 season and a shot at retaining PG: Good) and then he'll find a way for us to come out poorly (Oladipo kills it at Indiana, PG's probably gone: Bad). He can fire Scott Brooks (good) and replace him with someone of equal or lesser effectiveness (...bad).

Signing dudes like Fisher, Butler, Foye and Brewer, questionable drafting post-Adams, 3 first round picks gone for Waiters, Kanter and Grant; not even arguing the merit of whether or not they are/were worth them, because two are gone and Grant probably is too, and just the way he constructs a roster in general.

You can do worse in terms of managing the team. But honestly, I'm just over moves backfiring and making us look bad while he struggles to put the right pieces around the stars he's had/has.

Yes. I also feel like we really didnt push all of the chips in untill Durant was a FA. The methodical approach isnt workin because we are not finishing the task.

[Pillendreher]

Yeah the penalty is massive. If I'm reading cbafaq.com right, each additional dollar spent could add 4-5 extra dollars in tax penalties. Taxpayer MLE money would turn into a 25-30 million a year (!) investment.

The grant trade looked horrible up until recently. About the time it looks like grant will be a good contributor we are likely to let him walk. We don’t even have the option to match him because we skimped in the offseason and made him an UFA. I’m not a Presti hater but this is really bad, in my opinion. Really bad.

They would have had to sign Grant this past year and it could have made the Tax even more. So it wasent a bad move to convert Grant to the UFA this year esp w/ the lack of money out on the market.

Grant has played better this year. Based on last season, I'd have offered him the minimum for two years.

[ThunderBolt]

Prestis press conference is tomorrow at 11:00 am cst.

[Balkman32]

Prestis press conference is tomorrow at 11:00 am cst.

This should be an interesting one.

[Dadouv47]

Prestis press conference is tomorrow at 11:00 am cst.

This should be an interesting one.

Don't think it will. Can't see what he could tell. You won't hear from him ''Let's work on a buy out with Melo and surround Russ and PG with great role players in order to keep PG13''.

He won't talk about the possibility of benching Melo because he will say it's up to coaching staff.

He won't tell if Clay Bennett decided to be cheap again after this horrible season when he finally spend his $$.

I expect the worse. He's able to say that he wants to keep Melo and figure a way to make him more effective.

[Dadouv47]

Only great news from Presti would be that he decided to fire Billy Donovan, but that's a big dream.

[NetsWorld]

Presti will probably say stuff along the lines of, " we will evaluate the off season and see what moves can be done to improve the team". I think OKC will try hard to keep PG13 and buyout Melo, PG13 staying or leaving will be contingent on Presti's other moves. Presti will definitely try and get cap flexibility to lure other players to come here.

[getrichordie]

So Russillo just said a source he trusts told him George is gone, but wouldn’t say where.


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[jambalaya]

Presti is likely very disappointed with season outcome but imo this was the most likely outcome.

Interested in what owners let him spend. Seems highly implausable they'd give George his max even if he'd take it. unless it was to trade later. Bring team back, pay $100 million in tax and be likely a 5th seed at best?

I can't see Grant returning unless Melo or Adams are moved. Brewer, they will want him back. Possible, but I can't see how they can afford Abrines and Brewer if anyone else bids on him.

[RalphSampsonJr]

http://newsok.com/depth-and-taxes-uncertain-as-thunder-faces-cap-strapped-offseason/article/5593010

Yeah the penalty is massive. If I'm reading cbafaq.com right, each additional dollar spent could add 4-5 extra dollars in tax penalties. Taxpayer MLE money would turn into a 25-30 million a year (!) investment.

The grant trade looked horrible up until recently. About the time it looks like grant will be a good contributor we are likely to let him walk. We don’t even have the option to match him because we skimped in the offseason and made him an UFA. I’m not a Presti hater but this is really bad, in my opinion. Really bad.

Yeap.. these moves hes made a really starting to paint an ugly picture

[bondom34]

PG gone? Shocking

[ThunderBolt]

So Russillo just said a source he trusts told him George is gone, but wouldn’t say where.


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Not saying he’s wrong but those kind of statements are ridiculous. People say all kinds of stuff about their “sources”. If they don’t reveal any info like “a source from George’s camp” ...then it often ends up someone giving a hot take.

[jambalaya]

Stretching salaries may help for this season but they make it even less likely they have room to correct the mess and do much in the following seasons. I can't see a good scenario unless they lose / move 2 of the 4 top salaries and even then it will be challenging. All 4... that could be interesting.

[getrichordie]

So Russillo just said a source he trusts told him George is gone, but wouldn’t say where.


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Not saying he’s wrong but those kind of statements are ridiculous. People say all kinds of stuff about their “sources”. If they don’t reveal any info like “a source from George’s camp” ...then it often ends up someone giving a hot take.

It’s not really a hot take, though.

But I agree, people say crap like that all of the time, but some are more reputable than others.

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[Pillendreher]

So Russillo just said a source he trusts told him George is gone, but wouldn’t say where.


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Not saying he’s wrong but those kind of statements are ridiculous. People say all kinds of stuff about their “sources”. If they don’t reveal any info like “a source from George’s camp” ...then it often ends up someone giving a hot take.

Yeah and that other guy said he's staying months ago. I don't give a **** what some of these guys throw out there months before any kind of decision has been made.

[Pillendreher]

So Russillo just said a source he trusts told him George is gone, but wouldn’t say where.


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Not saying he’s wrong but those kind of statements are ridiculous. People say all kinds of stuff about their “sources”. If they don’t reveal any info like “a source from George’s camp” ...then it often ends up someone giving a hot take.

It’s not really a hot take, though.

But I agree, people say crap like that all of the time, but some are more reputable than others.

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If ESPN had anything reputable on this, they'd be running with it with their main guys, not some random dude just throwing it out there in a podcast.