All Things Thunder Offseason Thread

[Dadouv47]

Denver traded back and gave Utah Donovan Mitchell for Trey Lyles. That might be a dynasty killer move in hindsight. They exiled Bones Hyland after they drafted him. Although not the front offices fault, Grant bailed on them.

GS is pretty close to having squandered multiple lottery picks that could have extended their dynasty longer. Jordan Poole helped last year but became a salary dump.

Denver had jokic
GS had curry

They also have a great supporting cast.

Is SGA with the current cast enough ? Patient rebuild seems to suggest Presti might think it is, but I think the whole lot of us believe it’s not.

Can SGA be a top 5 player though? I know he had a great season but the last time a team won a championship without a real top 5 player in the league was probably the spurs in 2007 (and you can argue Duncan was a top 5 player).

Well SGA proved me wrong last season and Thunderbolt probably thinks he can be that guy and while I'm skeptical, I woud rather just wait and see because I have been wrong on him quite a bit.

[ThunderBolt]

Denver traded back and gave Utah Donovan Mitchell for Trey Lyles. That might be a dynasty killer move in hindsight. They exiled Bones Hyland after they drafted him. Although not the front offices fault, Grant bailed on them.

GS is pretty close to having squandered multiple lottery picks that could have extended their dynasty longer. Jordan Poole helped last year but became a salary dump.

Denver had jokic
GS had curry

They also have a great supporting cast.

Is SGA with the current cast enough ? Patient rebuild seems to suggest Presti might think it is, but I think the whole lot of us believe it’s not.

If Chet lives up to the hype and JDub continues showing what we think he is, I think it's enough. Maybe not for a dynasty but we have Giddey and numerous assets to build a great roster. Most teams that are championship ready start getting very lean on assets. Our situation is a bit unique. I think prime Dame could have won a title with a better supporting cast. I'm much higher on our young guys being better than CJ and Nurkic.

[Devilanche]

Denver traded back and gave Utah Donovan Mitchell for Trey Lyles. That might be a dynasty killer move in hindsight. They exiled Bones Hyland after they drafted him. Although not the front offices fault, Grant bailed on them.

GS is pretty close to having squandered multiple lottery picks that could have extended their dynasty longer. Jordan Poole helped last year but became a salary dump.

Denver had jokic
GS had curry

They also have a great supporting cast.

Is SGA with the current cast enough ? Patient rebuild seems to suggest Presti might think it is, but I think the whole lot of us believe it’s not.

Can SGA be a top 5 player though? I know he had a great season but the last time a team won a championship without a real top 5 player in the league was probably the spurs in 2007 (and you can argue Duncan was a top 5 player).

Well SGA proved me wrong last season and Thunderbolt probably thinks he can be that guy and while I'm skeptical, I woud rather just wait and see because I have been wrong on him quite a bit.

Last team without a top 5 player was detroit for me .


I think SGA might be able be top 5. Maybe barely.

[Devilanche]

Denver traded back and gave Utah Donovan Mitchell for Trey Lyles. That might be a dynasty killer move in hindsight. They exiled Bones Hyland after they drafted him. Although not the front offices fault, Grant bailed on them.

GS is pretty close to having squandered multiple lottery picks that could have extended their dynasty longer. Jordan Poole helped last year but became a salary dump.

Denver had jokic
GS had curry

They also have a great supporting cast.

Is SGA with the current cast enough ? Patient rebuild seems to suggest Presti might think it is, but I think the whole lot of us believe it’s not.

If Chet lives up to the hype and JDub continues showing what we think he is, I think it's enough. Maybe not for a dynasty but we have Giddey and numerous assets to build a great roster. Most teams that are championship ready start getting very lean on assets. Our situation is a bit unique. I think prime Dame could have won a title with a better supporting cast. I'm much higher on our young guys being better than CJ and Nurkic.

If Chet and SGA is part of that championship window, there’s always the possibility the supporting cast will be very different to today.

Let’s get to free agency . Let’s get to summer league. Then let’s go !

[OKC2008]

It’s difficult to have a consensus top five players list

Right now I would say with no order Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Steph, Luka

But if that is the list, if you look at the four teams that reached Conference Finals this year, you will have just one Top5 player.. so basically you can reach conference finals even with a top10/15 and then anything could happen

SGA is already in this top10/15 tier right now

[Xatticus]

Denver traded back and gave Utah Donovan Mitchell for Trey Lyles. That might be a dynasty killer move in hindsight. They exiled Bones Hyland after they drafted him. Although not the front offices fault, Grant bailed on them.

GS is pretty close to having squandered multiple lottery picks that could have extended their dynasty longer. Jordan Poole helped last year but became a salary dump.

Denver had jokic
GS had curry

They also have a great supporting cast.

Is SGA with the current cast enough ? Patient rebuild seems to suggest Presti might think it is, but I think the whole lot of us believe it’s not.

Can SGA be a top 5 player though? I know he had a great season but the last time a team won a championship without a real top 5 player in the league was probably the spurs in 2007 (and you can argue Duncan was a top 5 player).

Well SGA proved me wrong last season and Thunderbolt probably thinks he can be that guy and while I'm skeptical, I woud rather just wait and see because I have been wrong on him quite a bit.

He's already there. If OKC won the title, SGA's status would be adjusted retroactively barring something unforeseen. Perceptions change in the wake of a title. He's already All-NBA First Team, so there isn't any leap to make.

[Kizz Fastfists]

It’s difficult to have a consensus top five players list

Right now I would say with no order Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Steph, Luka

But if that is the list, if you look at the four teams that reached Conference Finals this year, you will have just one Top5 player.. so basically you can reach conference finals even with a top10/15 and then anything could happen

SGA is already in this top10/15 tier right now

I see SGA as a lock for any top 8 list and a strong argument for top 5. I don't have Curry in the top 5 anymore. He is 34 and declining. While he is still a top 15 guy father time is undefeated. Same reasoning applies to Jimmy Butler despite him having a better season than Curry last year. To prove your point about consensus of a top 5 the only two that I expect to see in every top 5 list is Jokic and Luka. As for the rest of the top five you can make a strong argument for the following: Embiid, Giannia, SGA, Sabonis, Anthony Davis, Tatum and Donovan Mitchell.

To put SGA's season into context he was 7th in PER, Luka was the only player younger than SGA in the top 12, 5th in win shares, no player his age or younger was ahead of him, 5th in WS/48, Jokic being the youngest player ahead of him, 5th in VORP, with Luka as the only player younger ahead of him. Unless you believe SGA is going to regress it is very hard not to put him in your top 5.

1) Jokic
2) Luka
3) Embiid
4) SGA
5) Sabonis, yes I am aware that most will disagree with that one, but only Jokic beat him in win shares last year and his VORP was tied with Giannis for 6th and he is entering his prime. Younger than Giannis, Jokic and Embiid. How many bigs can drop a triple double on any given night? Jokic, Sabonis and ???

[Dadouv47]

I need to see another elite season from SGA to lock him into top 10 players. He should be able to do it easily if healthy though since it's not like he overperformed from a shooting standpoint.

[Patches Perry]

Any interest in Grant Williams? He plays a lot of PF (despite being a little undersized, he is similar size to Draymond), is a pretty good defender from my recollection, and shoots the three well. He is a free agent. I wouldn't want to pay a whole bunch for him but seems like he might be a good fit. Only 24yo.

[retrobro90]

Any interest in Grant Williams? He plays a lot of PF (despite being a little undersized, he is similar size to Draymond), is a pretty good defender from my recollection, and shoots the three well. He is a free agent. I wouldn't want to pay a whole bunch for him but seems like he might be a good fit. Only 24yo.

I think he might end up getting priced out of what hes actually worth and what OKC would be willing to pay but would love the fit on our squad.

[Dn4sty]

(also: DALLAS is your example of what OKC should do? dallas hasn't done dick since Dirk was good, and that championship team was kind of fluky. cuban keeps swinging for the fences in free agency and overpaying guys who aren't that good, and the guys that HAVE been good they haven't kept.)

Dallas is an example of making a great move on draft night. Adding the player you needed and wanted while dumping a terrible contract in the process. Dallas was taking Lively at 10, but then Presti showed his ass and saved them money by taking one of the few contracts worse than Dort in the league and saving them on a rookie contract for a player that OKC did not need. I was over Presti when he traded for PG13. He just continues to prove he has no interest in winning. His entire reputation is based on Durant falling in his lap and a few picks he made 15 years ago.

You keep saying the thing about PG13 and that is absolutely 100% not true no matter how many times you say it.

[Kizz Fastfists]

(also: DALLAS is your example of what OKC should do? dallas hasn't done dick since Dirk was good, and that championship team was kind of fluky. cuban keeps swinging for the fences in free agency and overpaying guys who aren't that good, and the guys that HAVE been good they haven't kept.)

Dallas is an example of making a great move on draft night. Adding the player you needed and wanted while dumping a terrible contract in the process. Dallas was taking Lively at 10, but then Presti showed his ass and saved them money by taking one of the few contracts worse than Dort in the league and saving them on a rookie contract for a player that OKC did not need. I was over Presti when he traded for PG13. He just continues to prove he has no interest in winning. His entire reputation is based on Durant falling in his lap and a few picks he made 15 years ago.

You keep saying the thing about PG13 and that is absolutely 100% not true no matter how many times you say it.

viewtopic.php?f=334&t=1590827&hilit=avengers+%26amp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3B+assemble&start=660

That one gets good at post 662. Post 681 is also a fun trip down memory lane.

viewtopic.php?f=334&t=1625558&hilit=fellowship+of+the+ring&start=650

656 is a good one there. Post 88, three games into the season, you can see me eating a little crow for mistakenly thinking Melo was going to be a significant upgrade to Kanter. Pretty weird looking back at that the post, #88, and then seeing they finished 4th in the West that year before being a first round exit to Utah.

[Dadouv47]

Dallas is an example of making a great move on draft night. Adding the player you needed and wanted while dumping a terrible contract in the process. Dallas was taking Lively at 10, but then Presti showed his ass and saved them money by taking one of the few contracts worse than Dort in the league and saving them on a rookie contract for a player that OKC did not need. I was over Presti when he traded for PG13. He just continues to prove he has no interest in winning. His entire reputation is based on Durant falling in his lap and a few picks he made 15 years ago.

You keep saying the thing about PG13 and that is absolutely 100% not true no matter how many times you say it.

viewtopic.php?f=334&t=1590827&hilit=avengers+%26amp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3B+assemble&start=660

That one gets good at post 662. Post 681 is also a fun trip down memory lane.

viewtopic.php?f=334&t=1625558&hilit=fellowship+of+the+ring&start=650

656 is a good one there. Post 88, three games into the season, you can see me eating a little crow for mistakenly thinking Melo was going to be a significant upgrade to Kanter. Pretty weird looking back at that the post, #88, and then seeing they finished 4th in the West that year before being a first round exit to Utah.

fun to read some old posts. Glad u gave credit to Felton the best fat Thunder player of all time.

[Big nick]

I will sure be glad when Oct gets here, can't wait.

[jake_swivel]

I will sure be glad when Oct gets here, can't wait.

Summer league is next week

[Big nick]

Yes and I will watch it all.

[Big nick]

Let's all guess this seasons win total I will guess 46 wins.

[slick_watts]

irrespective of what happens with micic the thunder have to make a move someplace to get above the salary floor- due to a new provision in the cba which requires team salaries to be at 90% of the cap by the start of the season. it seems to me like this makes low-cost fringe players like waters, JRE and perhaps wiggins strong candidates for the scrap heap and replaced by larger salaries. another acquisition into cap space seems possible.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

Sign Mo Bamba who has been waived today by the Lakers

[jake_swivel]

Sign Mo Bamba who has been waived today by the Lakers

Honestly would kinda like it.