2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[bondom34]

I agree. Owners meddling isn't something franchise should aspire to. To me it seems like Presti's influence might be too big tho. Some of Donovan's decisions...some of them are so bad, I can't help myself but to think that not even Donovan is that stupid. Look at Hoiberg at the Bulls. It's pretty clear by now that GarPax are trying to influence coaching. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it were the same here.

Ehh...I think that happens a lot of places. I wouldn't be surprised if it did a little bit, but I think Presti's got quite a better eye and does a ton better job than them. I trust the guy, just don't like the Donovan situation.

Things are worse than with Brooks but not significantly different. ISO ball is a huge problem that's plagued this organization for years, in my opinion.

Brooks got guys to defend. The iso ball was because they had cupcake and Russ. Well take half that away and it doesn't work so well, they need more. And Donovan's not doing it.

[ThunderBolt]

I guess I'm more bothered than most by the isoball. Ya it worked when Durant was here but I don't think it maximized their potential.

[bondom34]

I guess I'm more bothered than most by the isoball. Ya it worked when Durant was here but I don't think it maximized their potential.

Could be. Depends on your talent. Houston does a lot of isolation too, they're a nearly historic offense. Toronto's been the same for years.

[ThunderBolt]

Does anyone read the wizards board about Otto Porter? It's becoming apparent that they are all less sold on him then they were before the asg. Sounds like he's much more attainable if that's who Presti wanted to pursue.

[Andre Roberstan]

Does anyone read the wizards board about Otto Porter? It's becoming apparent that they are all less sold on him then they were before the asg. Sounds like he's much more attainable if that's who Presti wanted to pursue.

He's gonna get a toxic offer from the Nets. Doubt we can get the cap space, and sign-and-trade is pretty unlikely.

Would love to have him though.

[Pillendreher]

Seems to me he's just turning into something he'll likely be - a very good role player.

[ThunderBolt]

Does anyone read the wizards board about Otto Porter? It's becoming apparent that they are all less sold on him then they were before the asg. Sounds like he's much more attainable if that's who Presti wanted to pursue.

He's gonna get a toxic offer from the Nets. Doubt we can get the cap space, and sign-and-trade is pretty unlikely.

Would love to have him though.

Do you think there is a possibility that the nets offer anyone else besides Porter?

[Andre Roberstan]

Does anyone read the wizards board about Otto Porter? It's becoming apparent that they are all less sold on him then they were before the asg. Sounds like he's much more attainable if that's who Presti wanted to pursue.

He's gonna get a toxic offer from the Nets. Doubt we can get the cap space, and sign-and-trade is pretty unlikely.

Would love to have him though.

Do you think there is a possibility that the nets offer anyone else besides Porter?

KCP for sure. I'd have to check the RFA list for the rest.

[bondom34]

He's gonna get a toxic offer from the Nets. Doubt we can get the cap space, and sign-and-trade is pretty unlikely.

Would love to have him though.

Do you think there is a possibility that the nets offer anyone else besides Porter?

KCP for sure. I'd have to check the RFA list for the rest.

Noel maybe

[ThunderBolt]

Oubre has really been playing well as of late. If they sign Porter, maybe they would be willing to move their backup SF.

[retrobro90]

I know there's a lot of trade talk involving wings and SF's in this thread in general but I gotta say I'm really on board with keeping Roberson long term and have been almost all season. It gets hard in a forum setting to argue what he brings to this team on a night in night out basis but I've watched him every single game this season and dude just brings it and continues to improve. I've seen him evolve so well from just the start of this season. Taken huge strides as a playmaker, rebounder, slasher, cutter, and finisher in the pnr. All while erasing 5 or 6 made shots a night from Harden, Melo, PG13 etc etc. I really like his value as a supporting starter. Also when it comes to Russ ultimately needing a #2 scoring option, I think that player needs to be a guy who doesn't need the ball too much to be an effective scorer. It's more rare to find that on the wing than it is to find in a big man. To me, Russ' ideal #2 needs to be a big that finish his passes off the PNR/PNP a la Nash/Amare Cp3/Blake etc etc.

That said, if a star wing wanted to come to OKC or was available to OKC we should not pass that up. I just think from a culture stand point and from the work ethic/iron man ability that Roberson has showed this season that we should continue to trust his development.

[Osirus89]

I know there's a lot of trade talk involving wings and SF's in this thread in general but I gotta say I'm really on board with keeping Roberson long term and have been almost all season. It gets hard in a forum setting to argue what he brings to this team on a night in night out basis but I've watched him every single game this season and dude just brings it and continues to improve. I've seen him evolve so well from just the start of this season. Taken huge strides as a playmaker, rebounder, slasher, cutter, and finisher in the pnr. All while erasing 5 or 6 made shots a night from Harden, Melo, PG13 etc etc. I really like his value as a supporting starter. Also when it comes to Russ ultimately needing a #2 scoring option, I think that player needs to be a guy who doesn't need the ball too much to be an effective scorer. It's more rare to find that on the wing than it is to find in a big man. To me, Russ' ideal #2 needs to be a big that finish his passes off the PNR/PNP a la Nash/Amare Cp3/Blake etc etc.

That said, if a star wing wanted to come to OKC or was available to OKC we should not pass that up. I just think from a culture stand point and from the work ethic/iron man ability that Roberson has showed this season that we should continue to trust his development.

I completely agree that Andre has an important role on the team. It has become clear over the course of the season that what he brings is crucial even if he is a dreadful shooter. However, I don't think getting a wing means you have to get rid of Andre or let him walk. They could bring in a wing and move Andre to the 2. Then have Victor come off the bench which would probably fit him just fine. That was the original plan I believe. Then close the game with a lineup of Russ Victor Andre/Wing Adams. Taj can be in there if they manage to hold onto him.

[Pillendreher]

I know there's a lot of trade talk involving wings and SF's in this thread in general but I gotta say I'm really on board with keeping Roberson long term and have been almost all season. It gets hard in a forum setting to argue what he brings to this team on a night in night out basis but I've watched him every single game this season and dude just brings it and continues to improve. I've seen him evolve so well from just the start of this season. Taken huge strides as a playmaker, rebounder, slasher, cutter, and finisher in the pnr. All while erasing 5 or 6 made shots a night from Harden, Melo, PG13 etc etc. I really like his value as a supporting starter. Also when it comes to Russ ultimately needing a #2 scoring option, I think that player needs to be a guy who doesn't need the ball too much to be an effective scorer. It's more rare to find that on the wing than it is to find in a big man. To me, Russ' ideal #2 needs to be a big that finish his passes off the PNR/PNP a la Nash/Amare Cp3/Blake etc etc.

That said, if a star wing wanted to come to OKC or was available to OKC we should not pass that up. I just think from a culture stand point and from the work ethic/iron man ability that Roberson has showed this season that we should continue to trust his development.

I completely agree that Andre has an important role on the team. It has become clear over the course of the season that what he brings is crucial even if he is a dreadful shooter. However, I don't think getting a wing means you have to get rid of Andre or let him walk. They could bring in a wing and move Andre to the 2. Then have Victor come off the bench which would probably fit him just fine. That was the original plan I believe. Then close the game with a lineup of Russ Victor Andre/Wing Adams. Taj can be in there if they manage to hold onto him.

The could also use him as a smallball 4 and switch everything. Say Russ-Dipo-Matthews-Robes-Adams or something like that.

[ThunderBolt]

I know there's a lot of trade talk involving wings and SF's in this thread in general but I gotta say I'm really on board with keeping Roberson long term and have been almost all season. It gets hard in a forum setting to argue what he brings to this team on a night in night out basis but I've watched him every single game this season and dude just brings it and continues to improve. I've seen him evolve so well from just the start of this season. Taken huge strides as a playmaker, rebounder, slasher, cutter, and finisher in the pnr. All while erasing 5 or 6 made shots a night from Harden, Melo, PG13 etc etc. I really like his value as a supporting starter. Also when it comes to Russ ultimately needing a #2 scoring option, I think that player needs to be a guy who doesn't need the ball too much to be an effective scorer. It's more rare to find that on the wing than it is to find in a big man. To me, Russ' ideal #2 needs to be a big that finish his passes off the PNR/PNP a la Nash/Amare Cp3/Blake etc etc.

That said, if a star wing wanted to come to OKC or was available to OKC we should not pass that up. I just think from a culture stand point and from the work ethic/iron man ability that Roberson has showed this season that we should continue to trust his development.

Any ideas?

[Pillendreher]

I know there's a lot of trade talk involving wings and SF's in this thread in general but I gotta say I'm really on board with keeping Roberson long term and have been almost all season. It gets hard in a forum setting to argue what he brings to this team on a night in night out basis but I've watched him every single game this season and dude just brings it and continues to improve. I've seen him evolve so well from just the start of this season. Taken huge strides as a playmaker, rebounder, slasher, cutter, and finisher in the pnr. All while erasing 5 or 6 made shots a night from Harden, Melo, PG13 etc etc. I really like his value as a supporting starter. Also when it comes to Russ ultimately needing a #2 scoring option, I think that player needs to be a guy who doesn't need the ball too much to be an effective scorer. It's more rare to find that on the wing than it is to find in a big man. To me, Russ' ideal #2 needs to be a big that finish his passes off the PNR/PNP a la Nash/Amare Cp3/Blake etc etc.

That said, if a star wing wanted to come to OKC or was available to OKC we should not pass that up. I just think from a culture stand point and from the work ethic/iron man ability that Roberson has showed this season that we should continue to trust his development.

Any ideas?

Getting lucky is what it comes down to I guess. Trades for stars always end up being just a bunch of stuff for a really good player. Look a the Pelicans with Cousins. If we have GarPax's Buddy Hield, we could snatch Butler. Incompetence is always something you look out for.

[ThunderBolt]

I caught the end of Royce Young on the sports animal today. Thought I would share some things he said. Most of this is his opinion of what the thunder organization/himself think.

*Steven Adams is viewed as a good fit with Russ and probably untouchable.

*Russ' extension signaled a long term commitment to the thunder and will play his entire career here.

* The thunder are high on sabonis and higher on Abrines. That's the future and path to improving the team.

*The thunder are not married to Oladipo.

*Draft night could be interesting and active for the thunder.

*They will probably sign Dre and would like to re-sign Taj but may not be possible.

[bondom34]

Think I agree with all that mostly. Adams has been down, but in theory he's a great fit.

[ThunderBolt]

The biggest thing I noted was that Oladipo may not be here in the future. He also reminded delusional fans that the other franchises are not farm teams for the thunder so don't ask about Butler and George.

[Brauer]

I would love to see a team with something like Westbrook/KCP/Porter/Crowder/Adams. Doesn't have to be those players but something in that spirit would be amazing to see in action.

[ThunderBolt]

I would love to see a team with something like Westbrook/KCP/Porter/Crowder/Adams. Doesn't have to be those players but something in that spirit would be amazing to see in action.

My understanding is that if we got rid of Oladipo and Kanter, we could afford either Porter or KCP, but nothing more.