2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[bondom34]

Does Tyreke get more than MLE coming off of two injury played seasons?

There was a trade board thread a week or so ago, but I didn't read much, I might see what people thought there. Like the idea.

[Andre Roberstan]

One problem with having a guy as important as Russ is that you need a high level backup for when he sits, but high level backups aren't going to sign on to play 15 minutes per night. We need a backup 2 that can play the 1 for 15 minutes but also play beside Russ for 5-10 per night.

Ding ding ding. Whoever our backup PG is needs to be a guy that can play defense. It's why semaj is currently getting playing time over Norris. It's why DJ Augustine was terrible for us but great on teams where he can dominate the ball.

Right now I really like Delon Wright and Cory Joseph. Feel like toronto would part with at least one considering both have trade value and they're presumably going to retain Lowry. Darren Collison would be great too but I highly doubt we'll have the room in FA. I'm sure Russ would like having an old UCLA teammate though.

We know Joseph's been included in a Presti trade proposal before. I'd bet on him being a target this offseason.

[Andre Roberstan]

Also, FYI, since the new cap projections came out we're looking at being about $11mil over the cap and only about $9mil under the tax next year even if we let Gibson, Roberson and Collison walk.

[ThunderBolt]

Also, FYI, since the new cap projections came out we're looking at being about $11mil over the cap and only about $9mil under the tax next year even if we let Gibson, Roberson and Collison walk.

Yikes. Does this hurt other teams as bad as us?

[Andre Roberstan]

Also, FYI, since the new cap projections came out we're looking at being about $11mil over the cap and only about $9mil under the tax next year even if we let Gibson, Roberson and Collison walk.

Yikes. Does this hurt other teams as bad as us?

It's only 1 or 2 mil under what it was, but the Celtics in particular are a little hurt by it (they had exactly cap space for a max, now they don't). It'll hit anyone who's close to the tax line or needs to make space for offseason signings. Portland, probably. Maybe Charlotte. Cleveland for sure. Maaaaaaaybe Golden State—I haven't checked yet.

[bondom34]

FWIW, was just talking with Illimatic (Wizards fan) and mentioned Porter because honestly I wouldn't want to move VO for him, he mentioned Adams, which at this point sadly I'd be more inclined to do if they could find a center.

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Wouldn't happen b/c of RFA status, but interesting.

[ThunderBolt]

FWIW, was just talking with Illimatic (Wizards fan) and mentioned Porter because honestly I wouldn't want to move VO for him, he mentioned Adams, which at this point sadly I'd be more inclined to do if they could find a center.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1547656&p=54179032#p54178936

Wouldn't happen b/c of RFA status, but interesting.

Why is a sign and trade so unlikely? Makes sense to me they don't want to lose him for nothing even if he isn't untradeable.

[bondom34]

FWIW, was just talking with Illimatic (Wizards fan) and mentioned Porter because honestly I wouldn't want to move VO for him, he mentioned Adams, which at this point sadly I'd be more inclined to do if they could find a center.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1547656&p=54179032#p54178936

Wouldn't happen b/c of RFA status, but interesting.

Why is a sign and trade so unlikely? Makes sense to me they don't want to lose him for nothing even if he isn't untradeable.

They'd have to agree:
1. They'd rather Adams than Porter.
2. They actually want to move on from Porter.
3. That's the best offer.


And if someone throws an offer sheet at him and they match he can't be traded iirc.

[ThunderBolt]

FWIW, was just talking with Illimatic (Wizards fan) and mentioned Porter because honestly I wouldn't want to move VO for him, he mentioned Adams, which at this point sadly I'd be more inclined to do if they could find a center.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1547656&p=54179032#p54178936

Wouldn't happen b/c of RFA status, but interesting.

Why is a sign and trade so unlikely? Makes sense to me they don't want to lose him for nothing even if he isn't untradeable.

They'd have to agree:
1. They'd rather Adams than Porter.
2. They actually want to move on from Porter.
3. That's the best offer.


And if someone throws an offer sheet at him and they match he can't be traded iirc.

After he signs, he can still be traded six months after the contact is signed, correct?

[bondom34]

Why is a sign and trade so unlikely? Makes sense to me they don't want to lose him for nothing even if he isn't untradeable.

They'd have to agree:
1. They'd rather Adams than Porter.
2. They actually want to move on from Porter.
3. That's the best offer.


And if someone throws an offer sheet at him and they match he can't be traded iirc.

After he signs, he can still be traded six months after the contact is signed, correct?

Yeah I think you're right, but it would still be mid next season.

[ThunderBolt]

What do you guys think about this guy from the 76ers, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro. I haven't watched him play much at all but he seems to be producing pretty solidly now that he's getting minutes. I know teams aren't dying too give up on young players but could he be a guy we should look at targeting? His three point percentage isn't great now but i think part of its due to his youth. He's had some really nice games.

[Pillendreher]

What do you guys think about this guy from the 76ers, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro. I haven't watched him play much at all but he seems to be producing pretty solidly now that he's getting minutes. I know teams aren't dying too give up on young players but could he be a guy we should look at targeting? His three point percentage isn't great now but i think part of its due to his youth. He's had some really nice games.

Things like that are frustrating to see tbh. It feels like we have failed with our 3 latest first round picks, yet other teams can get unknown guys to perform for them

[ThunderBolt]

What do you guys think about this guy from the 76ers, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro. I haven't watched him play much at all but he seems to be producing pretty solidly now that he's getting minutes. I know teams aren't dying too give up on young players but could he be a guy we should look at targeting? His three point percentage isn't great now but i think part of its due to his youth. He's had some really nice games.

Things like that are frustrating to see tbh. It feels like we have failed with our 3 latest first round picks, yet other teams can get unknown guys to perform for them

Agreed. Part of me wonders if Russ had missed a couple of weeks with injury if it would have helped our other guys develop their game. That's what's happened with Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro now that Embiid is gone.

In my opinion, if Presti wants to build around Russ we can't just stay as we are and lose players as we go over the cap. I've said before that I think everyone besides Russ needs to possibly moved. Kanter is probably the first guy gone but Oladipo will be the guy who can net us some real value. Unfortunately that means probably trying to find more youthful players that save us money. I'm just looking for young guys that teams might be willing to move that could give us close to Vic's production if they continue, but cheaper. Maybe the sweet spot is finding guys that aren't true rookies next year so their inexperience doesnt keep us in the same situation. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro, Kelly Oubre, Caris Levert...etc. The key is finding guys who've shown some promise but not enough that teams won't be willing to move them.

[bondom34]

What do you guys think about this guy from the 76ers, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro. I haven't watched him play much at all but he seems to be producing pretty solidly now that he's getting minutes. I know teams aren't dying too give up on young players but could he be a guy we should look at targeting? His three point percentage isn't great now but i think part of its due to his youth. He's had some really nice games.

Things like that are frustrating to see tbh. It feels like we have failed with our 3 latest first round picks, yet other teams can get unknown guys to perform for them

I've seen him a bit. He's not that good, really small frame and at 31 percent three point shooting. He's kind of meh at best, I don't think he's much of a prospect tbh. Mostly seems like a defender who's not a great shooter right now.

[Pillendreher]

What do you guys think about this guy from the 76ers, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro. I haven't watched him play much at all but he seems to be producing pretty solidly now that he's getting minutes. I know teams aren't dying too give up on young players but could he be a guy we should look at targeting? His three point percentage isn't great now but i think part of its due to his youth. He's had some really nice games.

Things like that are frustrating to see tbh. It feels like we have failed with our 3 latest first round picks, yet other teams can get unknown guys to perform for them

Agreed. Part of me wonders if Russ had missed a couple of weeks with injury if it would have helped our other guys develop their game. That's what's happened with Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro now that Embiid is gone.

In my opinion, if Presti wants to build around Russ we can't just stay as we are and lose players as we go over the cap. I've said before that I think everyone besides Russ needs to possibly moved. Kanter is probably the first guy gone but Oladipo will be the guy who can net us some real value. Unfortunately that means probably trying to find more youthful players that save us money. I'm just looking for young guys that teams might be willing to move that could give us close to Vic's production if they continue, but cheaper. Maybe the sweet spot is finding guys that aren't true rookies next year so their inexperience doesnt keep us in the same situation. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro, Kelly Oubre, Caris Levert...etc. The key is finding guys who've shown some promise but not enough that teams won't be willing to move them.

But doesn't that prevent any chance we have of ever getting back to contention? Like you said: We'd have to look at those mediocre young guys. Most of them would most certainly need a couple of years to be of any value for us, but by then it's too late.

[ThunderBolt]

Things like that are frustrating to see tbh. It feels like we have failed with our 3 latest first round picks, yet other teams can get unknown guys to perform for them

Agreed. Part of me wonders if Russ had missed a couple of weeks with injury if it would have helped our other guys develop their game. That's what's happened with Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro now that Embiid is gone.

In my opinion, if Presti wants to build around Russ we can't just stay as we are and lose players as we go over the cap. I've said before that I think everyone besides Russ needs to possibly moved. Kanter is probably the first guy gone but Oladipo will be the guy who can net us some real value. Unfortunately that means probably trying to find more youthful players that save us money. I'm just looking for young guys that teams might be willing to move that could give us close to Vic's production if they continue, but cheaper. Maybe the sweet spot is finding guys that aren't true rookies next year so their inexperience doesnt keep us in the same situation. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro, Kelly Oubre, Caris Levert...etc. The key is finding guys who've shown some promise but not enough that teams won't be willing to move them.

But doesn't that prevent any chance we have of ever getting back to contention? Like you said: We'd have to look at those mediocre young guys. Most of them would most certainly need a couple of years to be of any value for us, but by then it's too late.

Possibly it does. I think the question is, does staying the course with this group put us closer to contention than taking risks with other guys? Obviously landing another all star is the best option but not realistic.

I think it comes down to if Presti sees a young guy that he thinks is very close to making the jump to the next level. Obviously every GM is trying to do the same thing. Lots of guys that become stars take a jump in year 2-3. I'm just throwing out the idea that maybe we can find a hidden star that's on someone's bench.

The quick answer is that won't happen. I'm not sold on any of our highest paid players besides Russ. I don't think Presti will trade Russ so I'm throwing out ideas on how to get some talent around him. It's tough when you don't have assets or cash. Whose out there that could be a really good player that's burried on someone's bench?

[ThunderBolt]

What do you guys think about this guy from the 76ers, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarro. I haven't watched him play much at all but he seems to be producing pretty solidly now that he's getting minutes. I know teams aren't dying too give up on young players but could he be a guy we should look at targeting? His three point percentage isn't great now but i think part of its due to his youth. He's had some really nice games.

Things like that are frustrating to see tbh. It feels like we have failed with our 3 latest first round picks, yet other teams can get unknown guys to perform for them

I've seen him a bit. He's not that good, really small frame and at 31 percent three point shooting. He's kind of meh at best, I don't think he's much of a prospect tbh. Mostly seems like a defender who's not a great shooter right now.

Unfortunately that screams 'Presti project'.

[bondom34]

Things like that are frustrating to see tbh. It feels like we have failed with our 3 latest first round picks, yet other teams can get unknown guys to perform for them

I've seen him a bit. He's not that good, really small frame and at 31 percent three point shooting. He's kind of meh at best, I don't think he's much of a prospect tbh. Mostly seems like a defender who's not a great shooter right now.

Unfortunately that screams 'Presti project'.

He's literally everything everyone would hate in a prospect (same for Oubre really).

[ThunderBolt]

I've seen him a bit. He's not that good, really small frame and at 31 percent three point shooting. He's kind of meh at best, I don't think he's much of a prospect tbh. Mostly seems like a defender who's not a great shooter right now.

Unfortunately that screams 'Presti project'.

He's literally everything everyone would hate in a prospect (same for Oubre really).

Who else is out there that may not be untouchable?

[bondom34]

Unfortunately that screams 'Presti project'.

He's literally everything everyone would hate in a prospect (same for Oubre really).

Who else is out there that may not be untouchable?

That's an improvement to the roster right now? Don't really see anyone personally. Good players don't become available that much, and I don't know of any rumors of guys I'd call a legit improvement. Chandler maybe. That's the biggest off the top of my head.