Trades, Transactions and Ideas Thread

[cjmcallist]

Whelp. No more Simmons for me after the lottery.

Now I think we try to trade 6 for Sexton.

If that doesn’t work trade SGA for 5 & 8.

[Dn4sty]

Whelp. No more Simmons for me after the lottery.

Now I think we try to trade 6 for Sexton.

If that doesn’t work trade SGA for 5 & 8.

SGA is worth more than 5 and 8.

[cjmcallist]

Whelp. No more Simmons for me after the lottery.

Now I think we try to trade 6 for Sexton.

If that doesn’t work trade SGA for 5 & 8.

SGA is worth more than 5 and 8.

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

But I'm also flip flopping on Simmons. Maybe I should wait a couple days before posting though.

[spearsy23]

Whelp. No more Simmons for me after the lottery.

Now I think we try to trade 6 for Sexton.

If that doesn’t work trade SGA for 5 & 8.

SGA is worth more than 5 and 8.

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

[cjmcallist]

SGA is worth more than 5 and 8.

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

[Dn4sty]

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

It’s still way too early to tell if this is the correct path or not. I don’t think nuking this team by trading SGA is the answer

[RunOKC]

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

The Jazz got D Mitchell at pick 13, Giannis was chosen at pick 15, SGA at 11... you need to relax lol.

We're going to have plenty of chances to draft/trade for good players for the foreseeable future even if we don't win the lottery. Plus you never know what our current guys are going to end up doing (Poku/Baze). It's disappointing what happened, but advocating to blow up the team because we didn't win the lottery ONE time is crazy talk.

[ThunderBolt]

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

I've always thought the most logical process was to get a number 2 guy through the draft, preferably this year. Then trade for the third. As disappointing as last night was, this is still the highest pick Presti has had to work with since Harden.

[Dn4sty]

Whelp. No more Simmons for me after the lottery.

Now I think we try to trade 6 for Sexton.

If that doesn’t work trade SGA for 5 & 8.

SGA is worth more than 5 and 8.

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

But I'm also flip flopping on Simmons. Maybe I should wait a couple days before posting though.

I’m very much open to adding Simmons to this team.

Getting out from under the shadow of Embiid, Doc, and the insane scrutiny of the Philly media would do wonders for Simmons.

[RunOKC]

Double post delete

[Dn4sty]

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

The Jazz got D Mitchell at pick 13, Giannis was chosen at pick 15... you need to relax lol

SGA was 11, Booker was 14.

It might very well be the case that trading SGA is the right move, but I’m not ready to go in that direction yet

[cjmcallist]

The Jazz got D Mitchell at pick 13, Giannis was chosen at pick 15... you need to relax lol

Maybe so. But, I'd also hope that our plan isn't to luck into All NBA players at the fringes of the lottery.

[RunOKC]

The Jazz got D Mitchell at pick 13, Giannis was chosen at pick 15... you need to relax lol

Maybe so. But, I'd also hope that our plan isn't to luck into All NBA players at the fringes of the lottery.

You're speaking way too definitively like you know that'll happen. SGA could get injured in the first game for all we know. Clippers/Rockets could implode. I trust Presti to do something good with the 35+ picks we've accumulated so far. Trust the process.

[thedoppelganger]

I know we'll mainly be discussing the trade up possibilities here, but wouldn't be surprised if we looked at trading back from 6.

How much would we want from Orlando to move from 6 to 8? Would their 2023 pick from Chicago (1-4 prot.) be enough?

[Dadouv47]

I know we'll mainly be discussing the trade up possibilities here, but wouldn't be surprised if we looked at trading back from 6.

How much would we want from Orlando to move from 6 to 8? Would their 2023 pick from Chicago (1-4 prot.) be enough?

I'm fine to go down from 6 to 8 but this is terrible value.

[Dadouv47]

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

I disagree with both tbh:
1. Most elite teams have two stars and when u have so many assets that u can turn into elite role players, that's more than enough
2. I think our roster sucks. SGA is really great but probably our rookies are going to be negatives on this team next season and Kemba won't play 82 games. But yeah I don't like the idea of finishing with a bottom 4-5 team every year.

[spearsy23]

Man I hope so. But, don't know that we can get much more guaranteed value out of an SGA trade. Maybe another future first (CHI 2023)?

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

Didn't we just prove that fielding a terrible team to lose games doesn't guarantee you a superstar?

[Dadouv47]

So don't trade him? Why do people ever want to trade great young players for the opportunity to take a chance on a guy who might be that good if you get extremely lucky? At BEST you give yourself a 11.5% chance of getting the number 1 pick, which then has a 60% chance of becoming an all star. You want to trade shai for a 7% chance of getting a player as good?

Not trying to be a d here, but you must have clipped the rest of my post for a reason. Here it is:

But, I don't see us being able to trade up and I don't see us being able to get the franchise guy via the draft anymore. Shai is too good to tank this next year - so we end up with #8 pick? Then we're the Indiana Pacers for the next decade? No thanks.

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

If those two assumptions are correct - then the current path are we headed down is not something I'm interested in.

Didn't we just prove that fielding a terrible team to lose games doesn't guarantee you a superstar?

Charlie Brown Jr disagrees. Future MVP.

[cjmcallist]

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

I disagree with both tbh:
1. Most elite teams have two stars and when u have so many assets that u can turn into elite role players, that's more than enough
2. I think our roster sucks. SGA is really great but probably our rookies are going to be negatives on this team next season and Kemba won't play 82 games. But yeah I don't like the idea of finishing with a bottom 4-5 team every year.

On no.1 - it's a good discussion on the end game for us: "do we need two stars, or three?" It's something Presti has to have an opinion on.

Just looking at the history of recent NBA champs. I'd say a big three is pretty close to necessary. Interestingly, except for the last two years.

LAL - lbj, ad
TOR - kawhi, lowry
GSW - curry, klay, dray, kd
CLE - lbj, kyrie, love
GSW - curry, klay, dray
SAS - kawhi, duncan, ginobli, parker (I'd call this 2.5?)
MIA - lbj, bosh, wade
LAL- kobe, pau, bynum (maybe 2.0 here)

On no.2 - I don't think our roster is all that great either. But, I think we can't underestimate how bad the other teams are. When we sat Horford, we were at .422 win pctg. That would've gotten us the 8th lottery position.

[Dadouv47]

I have two assumptions, that can be debated probably.
- you need three stars to win in the NBA.
- this roster is too good to get a top 9(ish) pick next year

I disagree with both tbh:
1. Most elite teams have two stars and when u have so many assets that u can turn into elite role players, that's more than enough
2. I think our roster sucks. SGA is really great but probably our rookies are going to be negatives on this team next season and Kemba won't play 82 games. But yeah I don't like the idea of finishing with a bottom 4-5 team every year.

On no.1 - it's a good discussion on the end game for us: "do we need two stars, or three?" It's something Presti has to have an opinion on.

Just looking at the history of recent NBA champs. I'd say a big three is pretty close to necessary. Interestingly, except for the last two years.

LAL - lbj, ad
TOR - kawhi, lowry
GSW - curry, klay, dray, kd
CLE - lbj, kyrie, love
GSW - curry, klay, dray
SAS - kawhi, duncan, ginobli, parker (I'd call this 2.5?)
MIA - lbj, bosh, wade
LAL- kobe, pau, bynum (maybe 2.0 here)

On no.2 - I don't think our roster is all that great either. But, I think we can't underestimate how bad the other teams are. When we sat Horford, we were at .422 win pctg. That would've gotten us the 8th lottery position.

yeah But Horford + Hill > Kemba in my opinion.

SGA & Dort were having a fantastic season. Dort was elite on defense and around 40% from three at that time and it's not given that SGA will play as well as he did (I love Shai's potential but he was 41.8% from three, not sustainable).

We also were very unlucky being the bad team winning most close games in the league.

Probably some players will step up and it's difficult to know before trades/offseason happens how bad other teams will be but we are still a legit candidate for a bottom 3 record (and I'm not sure I'm fine with this, this new lottery system doesn't allow you to make a Philly kind of tanking).

I wouldn't mind trading our own 2022 FRP to move up in this draft...main issue is that our pick is top 15 protected so it lowers the value for a team to take it (well I guess we could get it back for cheap from the Hawks if that's the main issue).