Trades, Transactions and Ideas Thread

spearsy23 · Post #1541 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:18 pm

The thought was always that next year's draft was the real goal. I don't think this changes the long term plan right now

Post #1542 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:32 pm

Still pissed that Houston got rewarded for all their mistakes (even if Rafael Stone is doing a fine job) :banghead:

Dn4sty · Post #1543 » by **Dn4sty** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:03 pm

I’m trying to gauge Simmons value. Is this close

OKC gets Simmons and pick 9
Kings get pick 6 and 28
Philly gets Hield and Barnes

Post #1544 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:12 pm

Dn4sty wrote:I’m trying to gauge Simmons value. Is this close

OKC gets Simmons and pick 9
Kings get pick 6 and 28
Philly gets Hield and Barnes

I would say Simmons is worth pick 6, not going down 3 spots (he may be worth a bit more or a bit less, but only going down 3 spots sounds crazy low value even for a guy that is struggling so much)

Post #1545 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:29 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:I’m trying to gauge Simmons value. Is this close

OKC gets Simmons and pick 9
Kings get pick 6 and 28
Philly gets Hield and Barnes

I would say Simmons is worth pick 6, not going down 3 spots (he may be worth a bit more or a bit less, but only going down 3 spots sounds crazy low value even for a guy that is struggling so much)

My guess is if you took that to the trade board most people would cut Okc out of the deal and want more value for Philly, like Halliburton.

Post #1546 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:40 pm

What other Rockets picks do you have and would you consider trading any of them to swap with the Rockets?

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Dn4sty · Post #1547 » by **Dn4sty** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:48 pm

jbk1234 wrote:What other Rockets picks do you have and would you consider trading any of them to swap with the Rockets?

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I’d likely give them all back and 6.

Something like this

OKC gets
2, 23

Rockets get
6, 18
2024 first (1-4 protected)
2026 first (1-4 protected)
2027 2nd

That’s all the pick obligations for the CP3/Russ deal

Dn4sty · Post #1548 » by **Dn4sty** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:50 pm

From Matt Moore/Hardwood Paroxysm

Read on Twitter

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Dn4sty · Post #1549 » by **Dn4sty** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:16 am

How far off is this

OKC gets Love and 3
Cavs get 6

Post #1550 » by **bondom34** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:23 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:I’m trying to gauge Simmons value. Is this close

OKC gets Simmons and pick 9
Kings get pick 6 and 28
Philly gets Hield and Barnes

I would say Simmons is worth pick 6, not going down 3 spots (he may be worth a bit more or a bit less, but only going down 3 spots sounds crazy low value even for a guy that is struggling so much)

My guess is if you took that to the trade board most people would cut Okc out of the deal and want more value for Philly, like Halliburton.

Yeah Buddy and Barnes is.....really rough for Philly. Like, really really rough.

Think if it were anything just 6/16 for Simmons, maybe 18 too.

cjmcallist · Post #1551 » by **cjmcallist** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:43 am

I’m not sure the picks alone work for Simmons, from PHI side. I think it has to be a three team deal, unless they want Kemba - which I could see happening if we’re 30 games in and he’s playing well.

Because I assume that PHI is wanting win-now players, I also don’t know that we’d have to give up pick six. Maybe they take players and we spray out picks to PHI and other teams to grease the wheels and get Simmons back.

Im really coming around to the idea of a #6 for Sexton trade - then bring in Simmons.

Then use #16 + #18 to trade up to #12ish and snag another Poku type “swing for the fences” guy.

Post #1552 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:48 pm

Kenrich Williams, 18 and 35 would be enough to move up to 14? or maybe from 16 to 14? No idea what the Gs FO thinks about Kenrich but given their salary tax and how good Wiliams contract is, it would make sense for both teams.

Not the most exciting trade but going up a few spots is still good...

cjmcallist · Post #1553 » by **cjmcallist** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:09 pm

What about these. Not sure if these are fair in a vacuum.

Trade 1:
16 + 36 for Bledsoe + 10

Trade 2:
18 + 34 + Williams for 13 + Lamb

Now we have 6, 10, 13. Maybe we draft those slots, or try to trade 6+10 for 3?

But, Hollinger made a great point. I wouldn't use any future FRP to move up. If we can trade everything this year to move up - that's cool. But I would try to hold on to future picks for now.

thedoppelganger · Post #1554 » by **thedoppelganger** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:13 pm

Dn4sty wrote:From Matt Moore/Hardwood Paroxysm

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Read on Twitter

Somewhat related from Stein. I just hope we resolve the Kimba situation before the season so we don't have another season of vets costing us draft positions. Also one of these guys is eventually going to be unhappy about being stuck here.

Dn4sty · Post #1555 » by **Dn4sty** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:21 am

cjmcallist wrote:I’m not sure the picks alone work for Simmons, from PHI side. I think it has to be a three team deal, unless they want Kemba - which I could see happening if we’re 30 games in and he’s playing well.

Because I assume that PHI is wanting win-now players, I also don’t know that we’d have to give up pick six. Maybe they take players and we spray out picks to PHI and other teams to grease the wheels and get Simmons back.

Im really coming around to the idea of a #6 for Sexton trade - then bring in Simmons.

Then use #16 + #18 to trade up to #12ish and snag another Poku type “swing for the fences” guy.

Once Sexton and SGA extensions kick in you’ve essentially eaten up all your cap space for the future by adding Simmons

Dn4sty · Post #1556 » by **Dn4sty** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:30 am

cjmcallist wrote:What about these. Not sure if these are fair in a vacuum.

Trade 1:
16 + 36 for Bledsoe + 10

Trade 2:
18 + 34 + Williams for 13 + Lamb

Now we have 6, 10, 13. Maybe we draft those slots, or try to trade 6+10 for 3?

But, Hollinger made a great point. I wouldn't use any future FRP to move up. If we can trade everything this year to move up - that's cool. But I would try to hold on to future picks for now.

I’d do Adams, Bledsoe and 10 for 18. Pelicans get off a bunch of future money, can easily afford to bring everyone back and open playing time for Lewis and Hayes. OKC needs a center and Adams is a fan favorite. Bledsoe is meh… but he isn’t fully guaranteed after next year.

cjmcallist · Post #1557 » by **cjmcallist** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:36 pm

Dn4sty wrote:
cjmcallist wrote:What about these. Not sure if these are fair in a vacuum.

Trade 1:
16 + 36 for Bledsoe + 10

Trade 2:
18 + 34 + Williams for 13 + Lamb

Now we have 6, 10, 13. Maybe we draft those slots, or try to trade 6+10 for 3?

But, Hollinger made a great point. I wouldn't use any future FRP to move up. If we can trade everything this year to move up - that's cool. But I would try to hold on to future picks for now.

I’d do Adams, Bledsoe and 10 for 18. Pelicans get off a bunch of future money, can easily afford to bring everyone back and open playing time for Lewis and Hayes. OKC needs a center and Adams is a fan favorite. Bledsoe is meh… but he isn’t fully guaranteed after next year.

If we're not sending any salary back, I'd expect that we don't need to send #18 back to NOP. Maybe one or two of the SRPs.

But, I really don't know if NOP would give up 10. Not sure it sends the right message to Zion.

Post #1558 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:49 pm

I don’t really want Bledsoe if we aren’t dumping Kemba.

Old Man Game · Post #1559 » by **Old Man Game** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:36 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t really want Bledsoe if we aren’t dumping Kemba.

Doesn't he sort of suck at this point anyway?

thedoppelganger · Post #1560 » by **thedoppelganger** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:04 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t really want Bledsoe if we aren’t dumping Kemba.

Bledsoe would 100% be a malcontent if we traded for him. Tough to give him the Ariza treatment with 2 years left on his deal.

If we did something around Kemba for Bledsoe + Adams, maybe, but not sure what other value needs to be added there.