Trades, Transactions and Ideas Thread

Post #1561 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:07 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t really want Bledsoe if we aren’t dumping Kemba.

Doesn't he sort of suck at this point anyway?

Ya I would imagine Bledsoe would be the end of the line of our taking back bad contracts in exchange for assets.

Dn4sty · Post #1562 » by **Dn4sty** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:00 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t really want Bledsoe if we aren’t dumping Kemba.

Doesn't he sort of suck at this point anyway?

Ya I would imagine Bledsoe would be the end of the line of our taking back bad contracts in exchange for assets.

His last year isn’t fully guaranteed

Post #1563 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:04 am

Dn4sty wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
Doesn't he sort of suck at this point anyway?

Ya I would imagine Bledsoe would be the end of the line of our taking back bad contracts in exchange for assets.

His last year isn’t fully guaranteed

I just meant that he’s probably not flippable for an asset. We’ve been downgrading from Russ to Cp3(Cp3 was a downgrade at the time to most), to Horford, to Kemba and then possibly Bledsoe. I don’t think he’s good enough to fleece a team in to taking him.

Post #1564 » by **retrobro90** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:54 am

Bledsoe is one of the last players I would want in spite of the partial guarantee in his final year. He's entirely lost his ability to score from anywhere on the court and still actively takes away possessions from his teammates. Having him on the floor essentially guarantees your offense is going to sputter. I would be happy to take Adams back in spite of his inflated deal. Think he'd be a great mentor.

getrichordie · Post #1565 » by **getrichordie** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:35 am

mr570 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:
I can’t think of a situation where SGA doesn’t pair well with a team/roster. His versatility is seemingly limitless

defensively

Where do you think Garuba goes? Kinda exciting myself imagining a top 5 pick + move up to take Garuba.

Sorry for the late reply, but I think Garuba goes in the 20-25 range. He's on the smaller side for his archetype but has a really good motor to pair with nice tools, but is quite unrefined on offense, but has shown enough to convince you that he could, one day, be an elite roleplayer big who can legitimately guard 3-5 and survive on even quicker guards and gives you offense via screen setting and rim-running, consistently making passes out of the short roll, and knocking down corner 3s. He's an intriguing upside gamble, but there are more intriguing prospects with more favorable trajectories, IMO.

Also, quick update on players I have on OKC's board:

cade cunningham
evan mobley
jalen green
scottie barnes
james bouknight
jalen suggs
jonathan kuminga
corey kispert
jalen johnson
kai jones
brandon boston jr.
josh primo
usman garuba
isaiah jackson
ayo dosunmu
herb jones
joe wieskamp
d.j. steward
filip petrusev
amar sylla
santi aldama
ochai agbaji
makur maker

Post #1566 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:14 am

I have no idea why RealGM wants us to get Sexton but I hope Presti isn't thinking about it. I would rather gamble on Simmons.

Devilanche · Post #1567 » by **Devilanche** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:31 am

retrobro90 wrote:Bledsoe is one of the last players I would want in spite of the partial guarantee in his final year. He's entirely lost his ability to score from anywhere on the court and still actively takes away possessions from his teammates. Having him on the floor essentially guarantees your offense is going to sputter. I would be happy to take Adams back in spite of his inflated deal. Think he'd be a great mentor.

I think his guaranteed portion for the last year is pretty small so if we are trading for him it’s to open up cap space in that last year.

Post #1568 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:54 am

Dadouv47 wrote:I have no idea why RealGM wants us to get Sexton but I hope Presti isn't thinking about it. I would rather gamble on Simmons.

Sometimes I wonder if my thoughts and posts regarding other teams are as dumb as the posts I see people make about us.

Post #1569 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:31 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:I have no idea why RealGM wants us to get Sexton but I hope Presti isn't thinking about it. I would rather gamble on Simmons.

Sometimes I wonder if my thoughts and posts regarding other teams are as dumb as the posts I see people make about us.

well we aren't a very attractive team to watch so most people only know that we have a lot of picks and SGA

They believe we can waste picks because we have so many while SGA is still underrated amongst most fans even if we don't know how good he will be and if he's gonna reach all star status soon enough.

I don't blame them that much because indeed SGA and picks are what we have (sorry Poku) but that doesn't mean that we need to be stupid on how to use them :lol:

cjmcallist · Post #1570 » by **cjmcallist** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:40 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:I have no idea why RealGM wants us to get Sexton but I hope Presti isn't thinking about it. I would rather gamble on Simmons.

Sometimes I wonder if my thoughts and posts regarding other teams are as dumb as the posts I see people make about us.

That's good perspective.

I'm not helping with the Sexton convo. I'm down to trade for him. I know it will be expensive, but I'm of the opinion that our 2022 draft won't end up any better than this one. So, I'm ready to try to shorten the rebuild.

cjmcallist · Post #1571 » by **cjmcallist** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:42 pm

Thoughts on:

Dort + #16 for #7 GSW
or
Dort + #16 for #9 SAC

Would hate to lose Dort, but if we're going to use this draft for talent instead of trading for it, I'd rather use Dort on a swing.

Post #1572 » by **Dadouv47** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:59 pm

cjmcallist wrote:Thoughts on:

Dort + #16 for #7 GSW
or
Dort + #16 for #9 SAC

Would hate to lose Dort, but if we're going to use this draft for talent instead of trading for it, I'd rather use Dort on a swing.

would hate to lose Dort as well but 16 for 7 is pretty sweet in terms of value. I have both Presti and Gs saying no though

Post #1573 » by **bondom34** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:21 pm

TBH I'm not sure Sexton shortens any rebuild. He's been not terribly good at much but scoring, which while a plus, doesn't really solve a ton for the team and he's due a new contract too (hence why the Cavs may want to move him). Tried to dig into his numbers a bit a few days ago and really can't find much that would make him too interesting other than he was drafted highly and is an efficient scorer.

As for Dort, I've been on the idea of maybe moving him before his value drops due to the contract for a bit. Wouldn't move him to move him but it's something to consider.

Post #1574 » by **Dadouv47** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:04 pm

bondom34 wrote:TBH I'm not sure Sexton shortens any rebuild. He's been not terribly good at much but scoring, which while a plus, doesn't really solve a ton for the team and he's due a new contract too (hence why the Cavs may want to move him). Tried to dig into his numbers a bit a few days ago and really can't find much that would make him too interesting other than he was drafted highly and is an efficient scorer.

As for Dort, I've been on the idea of maybe moving him before his value drops due to the contract for a bit. Wouldn't move him to move him but it's something to consider.

yeah I'm sick of those Sexton to OKC trades. Don't want him at all.

In a vacuum I would trade Dort while his value is high but he's SGA friend so...you need to take this into account.

Devilanche · Post #1575 » by **Devilanche** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:07 pm

Sexton archtype (scoring guard who doesn’t really defend nor contribute elsewhere) is not a punt that I want yet at this stage of the rebuild more so when I consider the potential cost of acquiring him and the cost to extend him .

Unless I can see him becoming something more, I doubt I’m in to trading for him . If he was a 2 way big with some flaws still sure I wouldn’t mind but as is we have too many guards, why not see how else they improve this upcoming season .

jake_swivel · Post #1576 » by **jake_swivel** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:50 am

It’s asking a lot of Shai to be part of a rebuild like this when he’s already a winning player. I think asking him to do it without Dort just to move up 5 or 6 spots is a bad plan if you want Shai to stay loyal.

thedoppelganger · Post #1577 » by **thedoppelganger** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:49 pm

From ESPN's mock this morning: "The last thing New Orleans needs is another rookie, and the #10 pick is believed to be one of the most available of any in the lottery."

If they're looking to trade #10 just for immediate help, don't think we have anything worth that. But maybe we could package 18 with a player like Jerome, taking back a bad contract in the process.

Post #1578 » by **retrobro90** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:18 pm

I know it's gonna be impossible for OKC to roster every pick they've accrued over these next 6 years but I wouldn't be too upset if they just kept 16 and 18. There's gonna be some good players in that range that aren't too dissimilar from pick ~#10 in terms of range of outcomes and it wouldn't hurt to head into training camp with one more rookie if they plan on punting again this year. It's a bit anecdotal here but it seems less likely the team trading up is the longterm beneficiary in these deals.

Dn4sty · Post #1579 » by **Dn4sty** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:16 pm

Did anyone else hear Zach Lowe talk about executives believing its possible for Dame to end up in OKC?

I obviously don’t think it will happen, but I found it interesting

Post #1580 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:33 pm

retrobro90 wrote:I know it's gonna be impossible for OKC to roster every pick they've accrued over these next 6 years but I wouldn't be too upset if they just kept 16 and 18. There's gonna be some good players in that range that aren't too dissimilar from pick ~#10 in terms of range of outcomes and it wouldn't hurt to head into training camp with one more rookie if they plan on punting again this year. It's a bit anecdotal here but it seems less likely the team trading up is the longterm beneficiary in these deals.

How do you like at 16 & 18?