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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#161 » by RalphSampsonJr » Fri Oct 6, 2017 11:48 am

hardenASG13 wrote:Finally got a chance to watch that first preseason game......he still can't dribble, and the hitch in his shot appeared worse. Didn't collapse the D once, or keep cp3 in front of him at all. Late on numerous closeouts as well. Seen so many games like that. When he was open and actaully cut he couldnt catch the ball, made nothing happen in that regard. Grant looked to be the better overall player. Hope it's better tonight, waiting to see his impact


Yea.. it pains me to say it but he has not looked good in both the scrimage and the hou game..
We are all use to him bricking 3s but his hussle on both ends has not been good.
I will put it down to preseason for now.
Grant is also worrying me with what I've seen.. t Ferg and Hamilton have been pleasant surprises though. Early days I guess will have to see what the O looks like with Russ back in
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Post#162 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 12:06 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:Finally got a chance to watch that first preseason game......he still can't dribble, and the hitch in his shot appeared worse. Didn't collapse the D once, or keep cp3 in front of him at all. Late on numerous closeouts as well. Seen so many games like that. When he was open and actaully cut he couldnt catch the ball, made nothing happen in that regard. Grant looked to be the better overall player. Hope it's better tonight, waiting to see his impact


Yea.. it pains me to say it but he has not looked good in both the scrimage and the hou game..
We are all use to him bricking 3s but his hussle on both ends has not been good.
I will put it down to preseason for now.
Grant is also worrying me with what I've seen.. t Ferg and Hamilton have been pleasant surprises though. Early days I guess will have to see what the O looks like with Russ back in


Yea his effort on D isn't really a concern, as it's preseason, but he looks incredibly out of place on offense. How people expect Donovan to develop a flowing offense with him involved (see the Donovan thread) with all his glaring limitations is Beyond me.

I want all the people who say I don't see his defense (I do) to really watch his offense as well, in terms of how he stalls the offense if he catches it, isn't guarded, and can't be part of almost any action within an offense ( such as using a screen or handoff to shoot or dribble, or collapsing the D to set up a teammate).

The whole use him as a cutter/screener, while the other 4, usually involving a center, play 4 on 5 while he runs wild with his cutting is a pipe dream and impractical. Again see the Donovan thread for why using him as a screener is easy to defend. He's gotta step it up or take a seat, as he's a non participant in the offense. This team is too talented (their going to look so good with westbrook!) For that BS. This is a title contender in the NBA.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#163 » by RalphSampsonJr » Fri Oct 6, 2017 12:16 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:Finally got a chance to watch that first preseason game......he still can't dribble, and the hitch in his shot appeared worse. Didn't collapse the D once, or keep cp3 in front of him at all. Late on numerous closeouts as well. Seen so many games like that. When he was open and actaully cut he couldnt catch the ball, made nothing happen in that regard. Grant looked to be the better overall player. Hope it's better tonight, waiting to see his impact


Yea.. it pains me to say it but he has not looked good in both the scrimage and the hou game..
We are all use to him bricking 3s but his hussle on both ends has not been good.
I will put it down to preseason for now.
Grant is also worrying me with what I've seen.. t Ferg and Hamilton have been pleasant surprises though. Early days I guess will have to see what the O looks like with Russ back in


Yea his effort on D isn't really a concern, as it's preseason, but he looks incredibly out of place on offense. How people expect Donovan to develop a flowing offense with him involved (see the Donovan thread) with all his glaring limitations is Beyond me.

I want all the people who say I don't see his defense (I do) to really watch his offense as well, in terms of how he stalls the offense if he catches it, isn't guarded, and can't be part of almost any action within an offense ( such as using a screen or handoff to shoot or dribble, or collapsing the D to set up a teammate).

The whole use him as a cutter/screener, while the other 4, usually involving a center, play 4 on 5 while he runs wild with his cutting is a pipe dream and impractical. Again see the Donovan thread for why using him as a screener is easy to defend. He's gotta step it up or take a seat, as he's a non participant in the offense. This team is too talented (their going to look so good with westbrook!) For that BS. This is a title contender in the NBA.


Yea I saw them giving Robes the ball at the top of the 3 line several times and he didn't even wanna dribble before passing it off.
He did drive to the basket once then pass it to Adams when he was fouled hard by Harden but apart from that he has looked tentative to say the least.
I was hoping the playoffs would have given him some confidence coming into this season but I have not seen any so far.
I was hoping to see Robes do what t Fergs been doing. Cutting and passing off after getting the Ds attention. T Ferg is fighting for playing time though so it might be an effort thing..
Russ is a lot better and getting guys involved though as Felton hasn't impressed either. Melo just seemed to either post up or spot up with a hand in his face last game.
It wasn't until the 2nd unit came in that we saw any movement on offense. PG didn't exactly get much going either.
Tonight should be interesting!
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#164 » by sleestak33 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 12:27 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Finally got a chance to watch that first preseason game......he still can't dribble, and the hitch in his shot appeared worse. Didn't collapse the D once, or keep cp3 in front of him at all. Late on numerous closeouts as well. Seen so many games like that. When he was open and actaully cut he couldnt catch the ball, made nothing happen in that regard. Grant looked to be the better overall player. Hope it's better tonight, waiting to see his impact



Ferguson looked impressive to me although I know it's just a preseason game. He showed ability and hustle defensively and also scored 8 points in limited minutes. If Abrines and Ferguson can both continue to develop defensively and are consistently hitting shots this situation with Roberson will play itself out because this team simply has no chance to beat teams like the Rockets and Warriors with him starting and playing so many minutes and that was glaringly evident last year as he was a complete disaster against the Warriors. I have no problem with Roberson if they bring him off the bench in short spurts to play maybe 14-16 minutes per game. He can frustrate guys and maybe make an occasional layup or dunk but they have to tell him to never shoot the ball outside of that (especially no 3 pointers) and towards the end of games he can't be in there because of his free throws. I really don't see how if somebody is knowledgeable about the NBA and actually watches the games that they would have a different take on Roberson than that.
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Post#165 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 12:41 pm

Yep, it's blatantly obvious he has no role in this offense at this point. He just swings it and prevents any semblance of continuity. Enough is enough. Paul George can do basically everything he can defensively. George does not have to facilitate nearly to the levels he did in Indiana offensively. He will have plenty of energy to D up and play a roll as a great 2a/2b option on offense. Start analyzing critically, people. Roberson isn't a championship level player, despite how highly advanced stats speak of his defense. With Paul George on the team, his D isn't as needed, though it gives them an interesting option for a few minutes a night. Grant, who also is limited offensively, is still way better than Roberson on that end, and can be involved in action such as dribbling, collapsing the defense off a handoff, and shooting an open jumper and hitting the rim. He can also guard the second best wing, as can melo or abrines, without the completely overblown consequences Roberson supporters claim will happen. Westbrook, George, melo, patterson, and Adams 5 would be very good on D, especially if Westbrook pitches in on that end (which he needs to).

I submit the people who say "you don't watch the little things he does defensively," ( I do, he's very good at them, so is Paul george), dont pay attention to all the things his offensive limitations do to effect the team and limit them. I mean, people on here argue there are other players who go completely unguarded like Roberson (open your eyes, folks, that's not the case. Did you see how much smoother mbah a moute is than him, and how even he draws much more respect from the D than roberson? He can dribble and shoot an open J). They prefer to be the smartest man in the room, because they appreciate defense more than the average person. He's a complete joke on offense, he isn't guarded. The cutter/screener roll is a pipe dream and lazy argument. That's not him, either. He just stinks on offense, in all aspects.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#166 » by slick_watts » Fri Oct 6, 2017 1:03 pm

hardenASG13 wrote: They are the smartest man in the room


thank you!

your perception of grant relative to roberson is incredible.
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Post#167 » by slick_watts » Fri Oct 6, 2017 1:09 pm

sleestak33 wrote:I really don't see how if somebody is knowledgeable about the NBA and actually watches the games that they would have a different take on Roberson than that.


those pesky kids and their data and facts! :roll:
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#168 » by spearsy23 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 1:37 pm

If it's impossible to gameplan around Roberson's offensive inabilities then how has he already been a part of elite offenses?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#169 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 4:21 pm

spearsy23 wrote:If it's impossible to gameplan around Roberson's offensive inabilities then how has he already been a part of elite offenses?


He played with Russell Westbrook, and Kevin Durant, durant being one of the best scorers ever to play and Westbrook being one of the most dynamic playmakers the league has ever seen. Any offense featuring 2 such players, who worked magic in isos as a staple of the offense, will be elite.
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Post#170 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 4:22 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote: They are the smartest man in the room


thank you!

your perception of grant relative to roberson is incredible.


I feel the same of your perception of roberson. Let's keep watching.
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Post#171 » by bondom34 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 4:32 pm

We have one side using data and one side not. Interesting.
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Post#172 » by slick_watts » Fri Oct 6, 2017 4:46 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:I feel the same of your perception of roberson. Let's keep watching.


yes. you feel. that's the difference here.
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Post#173 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 5:06 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:I feel the same of your perception of roberson. Let's keep watching.


yes. you feel. that's the difference here.


No, no difference. You feel my perception of Roberson compared to grant is incredible. I feel like your perception of the same 2 players is also incredible.

I also cant believe that the fact that statistical anomalies occur all the time in basketball (such as empty scoring and rebounding, PER, on/off numbers, etc.), due to the high number of variables within a basketball game, escapes you. In this case its Roberson being a player who deserves 25-30 mpg, due to his gamechanging defense, which makes up for them playing 4 on 5 offensively, when their main competition is loaded offensively and cant be stopped, even by the incredible andre roberson. But maybe russ, melo, pg and adams can outscore the warriors and rocktets 4 on 5.

Lets keep watching! I really want to see what im missing (I know he plays good defense, I also know he has big numbers hung on him alot despite his D). I ask that you also pay attention to what He can't do in relation to the opposing wings on offense, and how it effects the other players and the offense as a whole.
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Post#174 » by bondom34 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 5:10 pm

We all watch. Apparently not everyone sees.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#175 » by Kizz Fastfists » Fri Oct 6, 2017 5:55 pm

bondom34 wrote:We all watch. Apparently not everyone sees.


Math is hard for some people. They don't understand why the scoreboard moves better for OKC when Roberson is on the court than when he is off the court. They just see that he didn't score the points so he must not have helped the scoreboard. They do not understand that the other team not scoring is as important as OKC scoring. The fact that you can score 150 points and still lose, but you will never lose if you allow 0 points does not compute in the minds of some people. I would rather win 1-0 then lose 150-155, but people who would rather win games than be like last year's Denver team seem to be in the minority.

Last year Denver had a top 5 offense and a bottom 5 defense. Denver was a sub .500 team and missed the playoffs. They could score on anybody. They just couldn't stop even average offenses from scoring on them. Denver is what GS would be if they stopped playing defense. Instead GS is focused on being the best defensive team in the NBA. GS missed the mark last year only being the 2nd best defense in the NBA. Golden State has never won a championship when it wasn't a top two team in defensive efficiency.
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Post#176 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 6:21 pm

bondom34 wrote:We all watch. Apparently not everyone sees.


Enough with all these stupid statements. You rip people for saying they see things you don't, while at the same time you say things like this, that completely lack any substance all the time, because you have nothing to say about all the points I made about using him as a screener/ slasher, or as a "shooting guard". They are dead on. Let's watch the games and discuss the results. He looked useless first game
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#177 » by bondom34 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 6:36 pm

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bondom34 wrote:We all watch. Apparently not everyone sees.


Enough with all these stupid statements. You rip people for saying they see things you don't, while at the same time you say things like this, that completely lack any substance all the time, because you have nothing to say about all the points I made about using him as a screener/ slasher, or as a "shooting guard". They are dead on. Let's watch the games and discuss the results. He looked useless first game

I have a very basic challenge for you, and I ask you do it tonight. All of us here watch this team so using that excuse is a pretty big cop out. Your challenge tonight is to ise exactly what you normally do. Your eye test. I want you to watch the game, start to finish, but no scoreboard. As soon as it ends I want you to post here with the exact score and shooting of Robes, PG, Melo, and Russ. All four.

If your information is correct then we know your eye test is a great measure of how the team performs. Please do this and give the exact score. Again, no scoreboard. Thank you.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#178 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 7:07 pm

bondom34 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:We all watch. Apparently not everyone sees.


Enough with all these stupid statements. You rip people for saying they see things you don't, while at the same time you say things like this, that completely lack any substance all the time, because you have nothing to say about all the points I made about using him as a screener/ slasher, or as a "shooting guard". They are dead on. Let's watch the games and discuss the results. He looked useless first game

I have a very basic challenge for you, and I ask you do it tonight. All of us here watch this team so using that excuse is a pretty big cop out. Your challenge tonight is to ise exactly what you normally do. Your eye test. I want you to watch the game, start to finish, but no scoreboard. As soon as it ends I want you to post here with the exact score and shooting of Robes, PG, Melo, and Russ. All four.

If your information is correct then we know your eye test is a great measure of how the team performs. Please do this and give the exact score. Again, no scoreboard. Thank you.



I won't be watching live most likely, it's a preseason game at 8 on a Friday night. Nice challenge tho, can the thunders all stars do well in spite of Roberson, is that what your asking?!

I'd like you to point out what he does on D that George can't, and any contribution he makes offensively, that isn't a result of being completely ignored. If he dribbles up the wing or uses a ball screen or attacks off a handoff let me know.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#179 » by bondom34 » Fri Oct 6, 2017 7:20 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:
Enough with all these stupid statements. You rip people for saying they see things you don't, while at the same time you say things like this, that completely lack any substance all the time, because you have nothing to say about all the points I made about using him as a screener/ slasher, or as a "shooting guard". They are dead on. Let's watch the games and discuss the results. He looked useless first game

I have a very basic challenge for you, and I ask you do it tonight. All of us here watch this team so using that excuse is a pretty big cop out. Your challenge tonight is to ise exactly what you normally do. Your eye test. I want you to watch the game, start to finish, but no scoreboard. As soon as it ends I want you to post here with the exact score and shooting of Robes, PG, Melo, and Russ. All four.

If your information is correct then we know your eye test is a great measure of how the team performs. Please do this and give the exact score. Again, no scoreboard. Thank you.



I won't be watching live most likely, it's a preseason game at 8 on a Friday night. Nice challenge tho, can the thunders all stars do well in spite of Roberson, is that what your asking?!

I'd like you to point out what he does on D that George can't, and any contribution he makes offensively, that isn't a result of being completely ignored. If he dribbles up the wing or uses a ball screen or attacks off a handoff let me know.

So the guy who tells everyone to watch the games won't watch the game. Convenient.

And Roberson has been fine. But again you don't watch the games.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#180 » by slick_watts » Fri Oct 6, 2017 7:27 pm

can hardenASG even explain why the thunder starters performed better with andre roberson than they did with dion waiters?

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