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[Atomic Punk]

Gobert is arguably a top 10 player. And Mitchell, and Rubio and Ingles and a great bench.

Sorry Dom, Gobert is not a top 10 player. Like I said they have some nice players and a great coach/system. The Thunder have better top end talent and decent enough secondary and bench players to beat the Jazz pretty easily.

He possibly is, definitely top 15. They're more than "nice" players. We did this on MPN but they've got 2 of the best 5 in the series and better depth. They're really good.

I usually agree with you Dom but on this point, I will respectfully disagree.

[bondom34]

Sorry Dom, Gobert is not a top 10 player. Like I said they have some nice players and a great coach/system. The Thunder have better top end talent and decent enough secondary and bench players to beat the Jazz pretty easily.

He possibly is, definitely top 15. They're more than "nice" players. We did this on MPN but they've got 2 of the best 5 in the series and better depth. They're really good.

I usually agree with you Dom but on this point, I will respectfully disagree.

OK, we did it on the PC board too, Gobert's pretty easily top 15. He's the 2nd best player in the series if defense counts. And after PG and Adams they've probably got the next 3-4 best players.

[Kizz Fastfists]

they can't match it if george is putting up 35 on 80% ts, i'll agree there.

Do you think he can keep that up, or something close to it based on his past playoff performances?

His playoff career is 56% and it was 55% last year in the playoffs. I'm going to say no. PG shot 73% from 3 tonight and is a career 37% from 3 in the postseason. If he had shot 37% he only makes four and leaves 12 points off the board for OKC.

[slick_watts]

starters a net negative, again. i know it's not likely after a win, but subbing out either brewer for abrines or melo for grant / patterson would be wise.

[bondom34]

If we're doing what ifs can we do what if Mitchell doesn't start the game on fire and they're not up 16-4? Because then it's a 20 point win.

[bondom34]

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[Atomic Punk]

He possibly is, definitely top 15. They're more than "nice" players. We did this on MPN but they've got 2 of the best 5 in the series and better depth. They're really good.

I usually agree with you Dom but on this point, I will respectfully disagree.

OK, we did it on the PC board too, Gobert's pretty easily top 15. He's the 2nd best player in the series if defense counts. And after PG and Adams they've probably got the next 3-4 best players.

Wait, what? He is the second best player if defense counts? I think that distinction goes to PG my friend.

[ThunderBolt]

George won’t play like this every game but Felton and grant can be significantly better.

[bondom34]

I usually agree with you Dom but on this point, I will respectfully disagree.

OK, we did it on the PC board too, Gobert's pretty easily top 15. He's the 2nd best player in the series if defense counts. And after PG and Adams they've probably got the next 3-4 best players.

Wait, what? He is the second best player if defense counts? I think that distinction goes to PG my friend.

No, and it's not particularly close. Look at OKC's defense without Roberson and PG there. Look at Utah's defense with and without Gobert. Get back to me. Gobert has, with zero doubt been far better than PG this year, and it's not even close to close.

[spearsy23]

Gobert is arguably a top 10 player. And Mitchell, and Rubio and Ingles and a great bench.

Sorry Dom, Gobert is not a top 10 player. Like I said they have some nice players and a great coach/system. The Thunder have better top end talent and decent enough secondary and bench players to beat the Jazz pretty easily.

He possibly is, definitely top 15. They're more than "nice" players. We did this on MPN but they've got 2 of the best 5 in the series and better depth. They're really good.

I don't think there's much argument for him at 10. Especially if you count kawhi.
Curry
Lebron
Harden
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
George
Butler
Paul
Gianni's
Embiid
KAT
Kawhi

[bondom34]

Sorry Dom, Gobert is not a top 10 player. Like I said they have some nice players and a great coach/system. The Thunder have better top end talent and decent enough secondary and bench players to beat the Jazz pretty easily.

He possibly is, definitely top 15. They're more than "nice" players. We did this on MPN but they've got 2 of the best 5 in the series and better depth. They're really good.

I don't think there's much argument for him at 10. Especially if you count kawhi.
Curry
Lebron
Harden
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
George
Butler
Paul
Gianni's
Embiid
KAT
Kawhi

He's better than PG and KAT without question. I'd debate hi over Paul due to minutes and he's close to Embiid.

[Atomic Punk]

OK, we did it on the PC board too, Gobert's pretty easily top 15. He's the 2nd best player in the series if defense counts. And after PG and Adams they've probably got the next 3-4 best players.

Wait, what? He is the second best player if defense counts? I think that distinction goes to PG my friend.

No, and it's not particularly close. Look at OKC's defense without Roberson and PG there. Look at Utah's defense with and without Gobert. Get back to me. Gobert has, with zero doubt been far better than PG this year, and it's not even close to close.

Just so I’m am clear, Gobert is better defensively or better overall than PG?

[Dadouv47]

He possibly is, definitely top 15. They're more than "nice" players. We did this on MPN but they've got 2 of the best 5 in the series and better depth. They're really good.

I don't think there's much argument for him at 10. Especially if you count kawhi.
Curry
Lebron
Harden
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
George
Butler
Paul
Gianni's
Embiid
KAT
Kawhi

He's better than PG and KAT without question. I'd debate hi over Paul due to minutes and he's close to Embiid.

Agree about KAT but you can add Cousins

[bondom34]

Wait, what? He is the second best player if defense counts? I think that distinction goes to PG my friend.

No, and it's not particularly close. Look at OKC's defense without Roberson and PG there. Look at Utah's defense with and without Gobert. Get back to me. Gobert has, with zero doubt been far better than PG this year, and it's not even close to close.

Just so I’m am clear, Gobert is better defensively or better overall than PG?

Both. He's that much better defensively that he's better overall. Being objective I don't think many would say otherwise (if you'd like we can try the PC board, I'd be up for a thread there )

[bondom34]

I don't think there's much argument for him at 10. Especially if you count kawhi.
Curry
Lebron
Harden
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
George
Butler
Paul
Gianni's
Embiid
KAT
Kawhi

He's better than PG and KAT without question. I'd debate hi over Paul due to minutes and he's close to Embiid.

Agree about KAT but you can add Cousins

I wouldn't. I don't think much of Cousins.

[spearsy23]

He possibly is, definitely top 15. They're more than "nice" players. We did this on MPN but they've got 2 of the best 5 in the series and better depth. They're really good.

I don't think there's much argument for him at 10. Especially if you count kawhi.
Curry
Lebron
Harden
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
George
Butler
Paul
Gianni's
Embiid
KAT
Kawhi

He's better than PG and KAT without question. I'd debate hi over Paul due to minutes and he's close to Embiid.

I'd love to see your argument for him over KAT.

[Atomic Punk]

No, and it's not particularly close. Look at OKC's defense without Roberson and PG there. Look at Utah's defense with and without Gobert. Get back to me. Gobert has, with zero doubt been far better than PG this year, and it's not even close to close.

Just so I’m am clear, Gobert is better defensively or better overall than PG?

Both. He's that much better defensively that he's better overall. Being objective I don't think many would say otherwise (if you'd like we can try the PC board, I'd be up for a thread there )

No, I’m good. I know where you stand now, no need to take it further.

[bondom34]

I don't think there's much argument for him at 10. Especially if you count kawhi.
Curry
Lebron
Harden
Durant
Davis
Westbrook
George
Butler
Paul
Gianni's
Embiid
KAT
Kawhi

He's better than PG and KAT without question. I'd debate hi over Paul due to minutes and he's close to Embiid.

I'd love to see your argument for him over KAT.

KAT's a trainwreck on defense. Look at what happened when Butler went out. Look at what happened when Gobert went out.
That's a pretty strong case. KAT isn't close, he's Kanter level defense at times and Minny's going nowhere w/o Butler. Utah's going nowhere without Gobert.

[bondom34]

Just so I’m am clear, Gobert is better defensively or better overall than PG?

Both. He's that much better defensively that he's better overall. Being objective I don't think many would say otherwise (if you'd like we can try the PC board, I'd be up for a thread there )

No, I’m good. I know where you stand now, no need to take it further.

Are you afraid you may be wrong? Because I'm honestly interested. THis is the team you said wasn't talented.

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[spearsy23]

He's better than PG and KAT without question. I'd debate hi over Paul due to minutes and he's close to Embiid.

I'd love to see your argument for him over KAT.

KAT's a trainwreck on defense. Look at what happened when Butler went out. Look at what happened when Gobert went out.
That's a pretty strong case. KAT isn't close, he's Kanter level defense at times and Minny's going nowhere w/o Butler. Utah's going nowhere without Gobert.

Is defense more important than offense?