Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[AirInTheLoop]

How about you call anyone and tell them Schroder is worth more than Satoransky on that contract.

You mean the 15M a year contract for three years?
In a league where PGs very similar to him are getting 20-25M a year? Yah sure, who should i call first?

[bondom34]

How about you call anyone and tell them Schroder is worth more than Satoransky on that contract.

You mean the 15M a year contract for three years?
In a league where PGs very similar to him are getting 20-25M a year? Yah sure, who should i call first?

What PGs similar to him make that money and aren't considered terrible contracts.

he was just traded for Melo BNW.

[AirInTheLoop]

How about you call anyone and tell them Schroder is worth more than Satoransky on that contract.

You mean the 15M a year contract for three years?
In a league where PGs very similar to him are getting 20-25M a year? Yah sure, who should i call first?

What PGs similar to him make that money and aren't considered terrible contracts.

You can consider them terrible contracts all you want, but its what players of similar stat production are all making across the league right now. About 20 a year, depending on their role and perceived potential. And hey, lets pretend this trade happened today and Satoransky came to OKC, became the back up PG and put up the same numbers as Dennis... this is delusional IMO but lets say its true... how much do you think he will demand when he expires after this season? 15 or less? Unrestricted FA in a league massively overpaying point guards?

[bondom34]

You mean the 15M a year contract for three years?
In a league where PGs very similar to him are getting 20-25M a year? Yah sure, who should i call first?

What PGs similar to him make that money and aren't considered terrible contracts.

You can consider them terrible contracts all you want, but its what players of similar stat production are all making across the league right now. About 20 a year, depending on their role and perceived potential. And hey, lets pretend this trade happened today and Satoransky came to OKC, became the back up PG and put up the same numbers as Dennis... this is delusional IMO but lets say its true... how much do you think he will demand when he expires after this season? 15 or less? Unrestricted FA in a league massively overpaying point guards?

So who. You never named them.

[AirInTheLoop]

What PGs similar to him make that money and aren't considered terrible contracts.

You can consider them terrible contracts all you want, but its what players of similar stat production are all making across the league right now. About 20 a year, depending on their role and perceived potential. And hey, lets pretend this trade happened today and Satoransky came to OKC, became the back up PG and put up the same numbers as Dennis... this is delusional IMO but lets say its true... how much do you think he will demand when he expires after this season? 15 or less? Unrestricted FA in a league massively overpaying point guards?

So who. You never named them.

Teague, Reggie Jackson, George Hill, Harris, all around 19 a year.
D'Angelo Russell is 10M in his qualifying year, which im sure will be followed up by a 20M.
So again, PGs of similar production to Dennis, are making about 20, give or take, depending on the year of their contract.

[bondom34]

You can consider them terrible contracts all you want, but its what players of similar stat production are all making across the league right now. About 20 a year, depending on their role and perceived potential. And hey, lets pretend this trade happened today and Satoransky came to OKC, became the back up PG and put up the same numbers as Dennis... this is delusional IMO but lets say its true... how much do you think he will demand when he expires after this season? 15 or less? Unrestricted FA in a league massively overpaying point guards?

So who. You never named them.

Teague, Reggie Jackson, George Hill, Harris, all around 19 a year.
D'Angelo Russell is 10M in his qualifying year, which im sure will be followed up by a 20M.
So again, PGs of similar production to Dennis, are making about 20, give or take, depending on the year of their contract.

Teague is better, Jackson is considered a terrible contract. Hill is better as well. And do you mean Gary Harris? Because he's a different stratosphere of better and it's a little insulting to him to compare them.

Russell is making 5 mil less. So no, no player of a similar contract is putting up similar numbers and not considered a terrible contract.

http://bkref.com/tiny/vnkHU

Hes also got the worst BPM, worst TS, worst defensive numbers, and worst 3 point shot of these 4. And he's signed the longest. It's a terrible contract and nobody else in the league would take it.

[slick_watts]

the value of schroder's contract was pretty well established by a ) the hawks preferring post-surgery jeremy lin and b ) the hawks choosing to eat melo's contract to get him off their books.

at this point what his productivity was or used to be or what you imagine it to be is irrelevant. the hawks couldn't even give him away for nothing. and there are teams out there starting d.j. augustin or isiah canaan.

[AirInTheLoop]

Teague is better, Jackson is considered a terrible contract. Hill is better as well. And do you mean Gary Harris? Because he's a different stratosphere of better and it's a little insulting to him to compare them.

Yah Teague and Hill are better, they're like 5 million dollars a year better.... right?
Im just not sure what your point is here. What exactly do you think the going rate for a PG who has proved he can be a starter in this league and average 19-6 as a 23 year old averaging 30mpg is? Because i have to say, if you don't think 15M flat for three years is at least a good deal.... you're not paying attention... and given your last statement about "not putting up similar statistics", id say you're not. Statistically, everyone listed is in the same general area. They're all those slightly under 20ppg, probably undersized but fast, most likely nothing beyond 7apg, point guards.

[bondom34]

Teague is better, Jackson is considered a terrible contract. Hill is better as well. And do you mean Gary Harris? Because he's a different stratosphere of better and it's a little insulting to him to compare them.

Yah Teague and Hill are better, they're like 5 million dollars a year better.... right?
Im just not sure what your point is here. What exactly do you think the going rate for a PG who has proved he can be a starter in this league and average 19-6 as a 23 year old averaging 30mpg is? Because i have to say, if you don't think 15M flat for three years is at least a good deal.... you're not paying attention... and given your last statement about "not putting up similar statistics", id say you're not. Statistically, everyone listed is in the same general area. They're all those slightly under 20ppg, probably undersized but fast, most likely nothing beyond 7apg, point guards.

They gave up Carmelo Anthony to get him.

His value is basically Melo.

And no other team would take him. Orlando and Phoenix literally didn't want him. The Hawks decided Lin off a patelar tendon injury was better. Nobody would take him, and if you can't see that BNW, I don't know what to tell you.

[slick_watts]

? Because i have to say, if you don't think 15M flat for three years is at least a good deal.... you're not paying attention...

it doesn't matter what any of us think. the market itself told us what schroder's contract value looked like. you can harp on his averages all you want, i'm sure every team in the league had that same stat sheet to look at when atlanta was desperately trying to pawn him off.

[AirInTheLoop]

They gave up Carmelo Anthony to get him

His value is basically Melo.

No, his value was them clearing cap for a complete rebuild.
either way, call up Presti and tell him what a great idea you have and then tell me how it goes.

[bondom34]

They gave up Carmelo Anthony to get him

His value is basically Melo.

No, his value was them clearing cap for a complete rebuild.
either way, call up Presti and tell him what a great idea you have and then tell me how it goes.

How about you call.

And they didn't clear cap for a rebuild . They took Melo and he's on their cap.

The market said what Schroder's value was. And that's why he's not on a team that starts DJ Augustin

[AirInTheLoop]

? Because i have to say, if you don't think 15M flat for three years is at least a good deal.... you're not paying attention...

it doesn't matter what any of us think. the market itself told us what schroder's contract value looked like. you can harp on his averages all you want, i'm sure every team in the league had that same stat sheet to look at when atlanta was desperately trying to pawn him off.

You're 100% correct and while all those other guys i mentioned got 20M a year contracts (again, give or take depending on the year) he got 15 flat. Sssssooooooo.... what's the issue?

[slick_watts]

i'm glad bondom has seen the light on schroder. i was worried for a little bit, there.

[AirInTheLoop]

How about you call.

And they didn't clear cap for a rebuild . They took Melo and he's on their cap.

Why would i call?
I think this is an incredibly stupid idea that is opposite of the team Presti wants to build.
And yah, Melo is on their books for one year.... that is kind of the point of trading long term contracts for expiring.

[AirInTheLoop]

i'm glad bondom has seen the light on schroder. i was worried for a little bit, there.

Im very curious what people are watching.
Because over the last three games ive watched as Dennis has improved how he runs the second unit and the situations where i was yelling at the tv telling him to pass it and he would instead drive, have been fewer and fewer every game. To the point where this last game, we saw him for almost two full quarters running an offense as an offense should be ran.

[bondom34]

How about you call.

And they didn't clear cap for a rebuild . They took Melo and he's on their cap.

Why would i call?
I think this is an incredibly stupid idea that is opposite of the team Presti wants to build.
And yah, Melo is on their books for one year.... that is kind of the point of trading long term contracts for expiring.

You're right. Presti wants a team with a non-functional bench that can't shoot.

And they're paying Melo on the cap this year, so can't use that space you said they wanted. They took Lin's contract and decided his injured play was better than Schroder when healthy. Odd a team who needs a starter terribly wouldn't take such a steal.

[bondom34]

i'm glad bondom has seen the light on schroder. i was worried for a little bit, there.

I was still skeptical, just took a few games to confirm.

[slick_watts]

? Because i have to say, if you don't think 15M flat for three years is at least a good deal.... you're not paying attention...

it doesn't matter what any of us think. the market itself told us what schroder's contract value looked like. you can harp on his averages all you want, i'm sure every team in the league had that same stat sheet to look at when atlanta was desperately trying to pawn him off.

You're 100% correct and while all those other guys i mentioned got 20M a year contracts (again, give or take depending on the year) he got 15 flat. Sssssooooooo.... what's the issue?

the issue is that long term contracts, especially for young players, are speculative. dennis is clearly not worth that amount to anyone in the nba anymore, or the hawks would have found a trade partner which did not require them taking on $25 million in dead salary.

[AirInTheLoop]

it doesn't matter what any of us think. the market itself told us what schroder's contract value looked like. you can harp on his averages all you want, i'm sure every team in the league had that same stat sheet to look at when atlanta was desperately trying to pawn him off.

You're 100% correct and while all those other guys i mentioned got 20M a year contracts (again, give or take depending on the year) he got 15 flat. Sssssooooooo.... what's the issue?

the issue is that long term contracts, especially for young players, are speculative. dennis is clearly not worth that amount to anyone in the nba anymore, or the hawks would have found a trade partner which did not require them taking on $25 million in dead salary.

Sure, part of that 15M was speculation on ATLs part... and then he became the starter and did what he did and demonstrated that at least statically he was roughly on par with guys making 5 million more than him, and playing more minutes than him.
Now he is running our secondary and game by game, as he learns our players and system, continues to improve.