OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion

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Post#161 » by Balkman32 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:45 pm

Devilanche wrote:Pre-season sounds great so far .

I hope this means we cut our losses with Bazely (in terms of no extension and reduced bench role if not traded away )


I think Bazley and Nwaba are matching salaries that could take back two guys making $10 million each for two guys not even making $10 million combined. or they can just let Bazley's contract expire and Nwaba has a team option on 6/29/23 - at that point you will know how much potential salary cap space the Thunder have and who will be available to make the best decision possible.

I don't think they have interest in taking on a guy who has another year on his deal. Spots 1-12 are basically spoken for on the 23-24 team, spot 13 will go to the top lottery pick the draft in 8 months. Then if the options are picked up on Nawab and Muscala they have 15 guys. If the options aren't picked up they have 2 spots open and about $28 million under the cap. They also can have up to 4 FRP's in the '24 NBA draft.

They can always opt out of Muscala's team option then sign him to the minimum after they use their $28 million is cap space. They will also be able to carry 5 additional players so they might just use the space to take on bad contracts at a price of a draft pick down the line. Presti will never run low on draft picks ever again during his GM career.
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Post#162 » by retrobro90 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:39 pm

slick_watts wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:Giddey's J is undeniably improved.


i'm reminded of the dion waiters preseason 42% 3pt fiasco.

undeniably is a strong word for ~20 attempts. i'd want closer to 200 before even starting to come to any conclusions.


I should have been more clear but to me its about what the attempts look like. I dont recall one instance of a heat check 3 from Giddey last season and this year the trigger is quicker and the confidence boost to me is undeniable
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Post#163 » by kdthunderup » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:11 pm

retrobro90 wrote:Giddey's J is undeniably improved.


Yep, his form is noticeably different. He doesn't kick his legs out as much and land with a staggered stance he also doesn't fling/push the ball as much. His slingshot release has been toned back a lot.

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Post#164 » by a-French-Fan » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:18 pm

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Post#165 » by retrobro90 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:02 am

Giddey haters must also hate the feeling of joy. Absolute blast to watch him play basketball. Must be said.
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Post#166 » by retrobro90 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:37 am

Circling back to J-Dub it's wild he had a poor defensive rep at SC. He stands up big men with his verticality at the rim and racks up deflections all game. Went 7-8 from the field tonight too. Crazy impressed with him.

We played 4 total nba teams but finished the preseason 5-1! Better than 1-5! I don't think there's any way this team is worse than last season even with inevitable resting after the ASB.
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Post#167 » by Dadouv47 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:17 am

J-Dub is the most NBA ready player we have drafted in a long time.

Happy Dieng is showing up. Hope he proves me wrong. Gonna take a while for him but I get the potential.
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Post#168 » by Dadouv47 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:21 am

retrobro90 wrote:Circling back to J-Dub it's wild he had a poor defensive rep at SC. He stands up big men with his verticality at the rim and racks up deflections all game. Went 7-8 from the field tonight too. Crazy impressed with him.

We played 4 total nba teams but finished the preseason 5-1! Better than 1-5! I don't think there's any way this team is worse than last season even with inevitable resting after the ASB.


No way we are a bottom 2 team in the West and we should be way better than Houston too if SGA is healthy. We are closer to SAC than Utah/Spurs/Houston IMO.
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Post#169 » by Old Man Game » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:47 am

This team is going to so overperform expectations this year. I'm calling it right now. I think we could make the play in game.
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Post#170 » by Old Man Game » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:50 am

retrobro90 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:Giddey's J is undeniably improved.


i'm reminded of the dion waiters preseason 42% 3pt fiasco.

undeniably is a strong word for ~20 attempts. i'd want closer to 200 before even starting to come to any conclusions.


I should have been more clear but to me its about what the attempts look like. I dont recall one instance of a heat check 3 from Giddey last season and this year the trigger is quicker and the confidence boost to me is undeniable


The shot definitely looks better. It's more fluid. Looks more like a textbook jumper. Last year he was doing that thing was kind of flinging it from over his head. Almost look like he's throwing a dart.
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Post#171 » by slick_watts » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:43 pm

retrobro90 wrote:Giddey haters must also hate the feeling of joy. Absolute blast to watch him play basketball. Must be said.


here's an interesting thread on giddey's shot mechanics:
Read on Twitter


i wouldn't call myself a giddey 'hater'. i think he has a lot of potential. his shot is just so bad. maybe it is improved some now, who knows. won't know for months. but he also has physical limitations in other places. he has one of the worst height to wingspan ratios in the nba, he doesn't move his feet that well on defense and plays below the rim and relies a lot on floaters which are the worst shots to take in the nba. yes, yes, everyone will say 'but luka doncic'. but luka was .400+ FTr as a 19 year old rookie. giddey was one of three rookies with 1000+ minutes in the last 20 years to have < .125 FTr and shoot worse than 30% from three (poku was one of the other ones).

i can see a scenario where giddey improves enough as a shooter and can muster up enough defensive chops to not be a liability and maybe make all-star games one day. but there's also a scenario where he doesn't improve these things enough to overcome physical limitations and we have a ben simmons sort of problem in the playoffs.
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Post#172 » by Mr Thunder Nick » Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:21 pm

Giddey was a real steal in last years draft. Compared to Cunningham, Suggs, and even Green he performs a lot more. Only Barnes and Mobley are perhaps better picks.
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Post#173 » by Mr Thunder Nick » Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:22 pm

And so is Jalen Williams a steal this years draft.
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Post#174 » by retrobro90 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:53 pm

slick_watts wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:Giddey haters must also hate the feeling of joy. Absolute blast to watch him play basketball. Must be said.


here's an interesting thread on giddey's shot mechanics:
Read on Twitter


i wouldn't call myself a giddey 'hater'. i think he has a lot of potential. his shot is just so bad. maybe it is improved some now, who knows. won't know for months. but he also has physical limitations in other places. he has one of the worst height to wingspan ratios in the nba, he doesn't move his feet that well on defense and plays below the rim and relies a lot on floaters which are the worst shots to take in the nba. yes, yes, everyone will say 'but luka doncic'. but luka was .400+ FTr as a 19 year old rookie. giddey was one of three rookies with 1000+ minutes in the last 20 years to have < .125 FTr and shoot worse than 30% from three (poku was one of the other ones).

i can see a scenario where giddey improves enough as a shooter and can muster up enough defensive chops to not be a liability and maybe make all-star games one day. but there's also a scenario where he doesn't improve these things enough to overcome physical limitations and we have a ben simmons sort of problem in the playoffs.


Ftr my comment about giddey haters wasnt directed at you slick and I appreciate all the insight and perspective you bring to this board. I think you bring up a good point about what would happen if the shot doesn't come along what kinds of problems this can make in the playoffs when teams game plan more towards neutralizing non or bad shooters.

I think his defense gets a little wrongfully maligned tbh. He doesnt have elite wingspan or lateral burst but his overall size allows him to switch effectively across multiple positions and his IQ and anticipation are quite good when it comes to understanding where the ball will be before it gets there. I just trust his trajectory to become a worthy playoff contributor in the future based on the current evidence and timeline
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Post#175 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:20 pm

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Post#176 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:36 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
Read on Twitter


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Post#177 » by retrobro90 » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:49 am

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Dadouv47 wrote:
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Gonna give a shot in the dark guess that could be about isaiah joe signing w okc? Multi year deal that id guess only has a partial guarantee this year. Like him though def another good shooter. Imagine he'll get some burn after the ASB but our backcourt is kinda crowded at the moment for anyone else to receive significant minutes
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Post#178 » by Dadouv47 » Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:11 am

Surprised we signed a guard...no clue how many minutes he can play. Reading good stuff about him though so let's see.
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Post#179 » by Mr Thunder Nick » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:38 am

Signing Joe makes no sense for me. Possible as two way player and signing Waters or Omoruyi to a fix contract?
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Post#180 » by QPR » Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:04 pm

slick_watts wrote:but there's also a scenario where he doesn't improve these things enough to overcome physical limitations and we have a ben simmons sort of problem in the playoffs.


The Ben Simmons problem is that he won't shoot, not that he can't shoot. Giddey will never have this issue because he has the confidence to let fly, and is clearly putting in the work to become at least a capable outside shooter.

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