WCQF | (4) Oklahoma City Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 4-2

spearsy23 · Post #1601 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:29 am

bondom34 wrote:But Russ isn't the big problem. He should have been the solution. But it's too late now,

He's certainly not the big problem. I'd say the reasons for the thunder not competing for a title are
Roster construction
Billy Donovan
Talent
In that order. We don't have the personnel to match golden state or Houston and we don't have the coaching to match Utah.

Post #1602 » by **bondom34** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:30 am

slick_watts wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Also, I brought it up because you're claiing all the faults on a single player, when Durant hasn't lead a team essentially anywhere himself. And if you want to go to Harden great, he quit last year in a clinching game.

all of the faults? no. you just get your panties in a bundle whenever i criticize westbrook. fairly, i might add- and criticism you joined in on a few days ago.

bondom34 wrote:Look man, I'm tired and not into doing this and David already had to tell you once today. You're not changing your mind, great. I don't really care what they do at this point and explained why I stepped back from the team already. But Russ isn't the big problem. He should have been the solution. But it's too late now,

then stop replying to me if you don't want to discuss this. i don't mind the discussion. nobody's forcing you to have it. i think russ is a big problem. you don't. ok. leave it there if you want to.

OK, leaving it.

And FTR, it's not about criticizing WB, he wasn't the issue in game 6 is my statement. You could build a team around him, just not now, not in OKC IMO. If Presti had since 2013 I'd bet he could. But on short notice with no assets nope.

spearsy23 · Post #1603 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:35 am

bondom34 wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:He's not the leader of the team in Oakland. At all. Like in the least.

And if you want to blame last year's team being poor on Westbrook I got nothing.

He may not be the leader, but he was certainly their best player in the playoffs last year.

I'm confused by what this argument is about, because as a whole Kevin Durant is a better player than Russell Westbrook. Their team success is not indicative of that, but it doesn't need to be for the statement to be true.

I don't even know anymore. Russ was better a few of those years is what started it. I'm out to read other stuff. Probably post in the offseason a bit.

I think he was better for two of them, one an injury marred season for Durant. But even in 16, when I think he was better, it's not like there was a massive gap. They were still 1a/1b and I don't believe either of them could put this current team or last year's on their back for more than a round. Durant winning a title is because he joined one of the greatest teams of all time, and if Russ had been the one in golden state the results wouldn't have changed.

Thunder Up · Post #1604 » by **Thunder Up** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:52 am

On the plus side, Abrines seems to be poised to grow into a Redick type guy with the right coach and a system that actually runs sets to get the defense worrying about him.

Could you imagine if we actually ran him around some screens, or ran some floppy or pin down actions for him to do something other than stand still on the wing?

Thundershock88 · Post #1605 » by **Thundershock88** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:53 am

It was so frustrating to watch Donovan Mitchell get the switch he wanted every time in the 3rd quarter. Yeah, the PG no call hurts, but the guy KD'd us.5 points? thanks for the parting gift, Paul.

Thunder Up · Post #1606 » by **Thunder Up** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:59 am

Thunder Up wrote:Mitchell will cool off in the fourth... will someone else other than Russ step up for us in the 4th though?

Well the first statement happened... and the question was answered with a no

Post #1607 » by **bondom34** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:05 am

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Post #1608 » by **bondom34** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:05 am

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Kizz Fastfists · Post #1609 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:35 am

Thunder Up wrote:OKC in 5 or 6

You spelled Utah wrong.

RalphSampsonJr · Post #1610 » by **RalphSampsonJr** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:46 am

Awful season. This game sussed up what has happened all season. Russ and Adams turning up while the rest making appearances every now and then

Pillendreher · Post #1611 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:19 am

bondom34 wrote:

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If this indeed is true, heads need to roll in the front office.

Pillendreher · Post #1612 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:13 am

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Somebody explain to me how on earth a 'playmaking Center' should work with this team when there's no movement off the ball. We don't even know how to get people open besides Adams screening for them. Adams is a decent passer, but he's never gonna be able to find anybody because they're all just standing around watching him.

I'm just so tired of all of this.

Pillendreher · Post #1613 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:32 am

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Pillendreher · Post #1614 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:49 am

Andre Roberson in the Playoffs last year: 7 made 3s, 108 OrtG, 59.8 eFG%, +17.7 On/Off NetRtG
Carmelo Anthony in the Playoffs this year: 6 made 3s, 90 ORtG, 41.7 eFG%, -26.6 On/Off NetRtG

RalphSampsonJr · Post #1615 » by **RalphSampsonJr** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:06 pm

id be glad this season was over if it wasnt for another season of Melo

Old Man Game · Post #1616 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:10 pm

RalphSampsonJr wrote:id be glad this season was over if it wasnt for another season of Melo

One down one to go

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Old Man Game · Post #1617 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:16 pm

Why isn't free agency before the draft? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense? Instead you have to decide whether you want to blow your team up and trade guys for draft picks without knowing whether your free agents will resign with you.

Post #1618 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:39 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Why isn't free agency before the draft? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense? Instead you have to decide whether you want to blow your team up and trade guys for draft picks without knowing whether your free agents will resign with you.

I don’t really care what happens this offseason. There are benefits to keeping George and seeing what else happens. I’m also a supporter of a rebuild. It’s the waiting period that really bothers me.

RalphSampsonJr · Post #1619 » by **RalphSampsonJr** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:03 pm

Does Russ taking 46 shots impact free agency though? Like i know OKC isnt the most attractive city in the world but will the 46 shots linger in the minds of players when Sam goes to them with an offer?
Its like Russ has only child syndrom and players are fully aware that if they sign with OKC they will only be getting the crumbs that Russ chooses to leave them

Bergmaniac · Post #1620 » by **Bergmaniac** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:15 pm

Paul George should be ashamed of himself after this one. Missing shots is one thing, anyone can have a bad night, but when you are a star you got to take responsibility and either try to create for himself or for others and not pass the ball back to Westbrook 30 feet away from the basket pretty much every time he got it in the second half. Just a cowardly second half from him, really disappointing.

But I thought OKC lost this game mostly in the first half when they couldn't capitalise on the Jazz's awful shooting start and their struggles to adapt to Rubio being out. They should have had at least 8-10 points lead at the half, it was clear that the Jazz won't miss their easy looks all night.

Deserved win for the Jazz in the end, they were clearly the better team in this series.

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